On May 31, 8:38 pm, "Graham" <m...@privacy.com> wrote:
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> > On 31 May, 17:32, alexd <troffa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> meisad...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> >> > Afternoon I hope that someone on here could answer a couple of
> >> > questions for me
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> >> > Either I am being dumb or I am completely missing something I have
> >> > been considering moving the telecoms for my business and home over to
> >> > VoIP for a while now and have spent the last month or so doing a lot
> >> > of reading and trying to weigh up what provider is going to be best
> >> > for me.
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> >> > I am aware that new regulation for the VoIP industry came in to force
> >> > on the 29th of this month yet I have only been able to find 2
> >> > providers that seem to be adhering to these new lawswww.vonage.co.uk
> >> > andwww.voipfone.co.ukthislimits my options unless I am repaired to
> >> > take a chance on one of the companies that would seem to be NOT
> >> > sticking to the rules for examplewww.gradwell.com,www.voip.co.uk,
> >> >http://www.voiptalk.org,www.tescoint...w.timico.co.uk
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> >> > I'm quite confused as to why these regulations are being ignored by
> >> > the vast majority of VoIP providers is there not some sort of
> >> > regulatory body that is supposed to ensure that these rules and
> >> > regulations are adhered to or is it only offcom ? In addition, how can
> >> > these new laws just be ignored?
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> >> By its very nature [the "over IP" bit], you don't need to be in the UK to
> >> operate a VoIP service targeting the UK.
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> >> > Can anyone shed any light on this for me?
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> >> Perhaps you could refresh our memories by telling us what these
> >> regulations
> >> are. And how you know that the organisations you've listed aren't
> >> complying
> >> with them. And why you care. I've been using voip.co.uk for 8 months now,
> >> seemingly without ill effect.
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> > it would seem that providers were given 2 months to comply with the
> > new lawshttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/29/ofcom_voip/having
> > read through the regulations i can only see the two above mentioned
> > companies that are adhering to these laws
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> > my concerns are will offcom or the government close down companies
> > that have not complied and if so would i want to take a chance moving
> > my telecoms over to companies that are not going to be around in the
> > near future.
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> > also if companies are blatantly ignoring what is now law what other
> > laws are they breaking for example data protection, data retention and
> > so on just rings alarm bells in my mind.
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> > Tom
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> The providers I use (for home use) are based outside the UK and
> cost me next to nothing to run.
> If they were forced to route 999/112 to the national emergency services
> how would they know which nation. If they base it on the country I
> submitted on sign-up, what happens if I use the service on holiday?
> Could it be based in IP address, is that 100% reliable?
> Assuming it could work somehow it all sounds very expensive for
> my budget providers to remain just that.
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> Please leave things as they are. It's horses for courses, the only thing
> the providers should be compelled to do is clearly set out their
> services limitations.
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And of course comply with the laws of the country that they wish to
sell in otherwise what is the point in making laws that are for the
benefit of the end user.

As far as I'm aware the companies I mentioned in my previous posts are
all uk companies but while I'm on the subject www.sipgate.co.uk don't
seem to be taking any notice of the laws either.

Ironic really when you consider that they can sell to the uk and
provide uk numbers yet the German government won't allow German
numbers to be sold outside of Germany because THATS THE LAW