Hi Kony,

"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:38:27 GMT, "Andy"
> <kanadaiy@telus.net> wrote:
>
>
>>> Beware of shops that make such swpeeding suggestions as
>>> fact. HDDs are no more immune to heat today than in past
>>> years, but produce more of it after the move to 7K2 RPM and
>>> further with some of the smaller surface mount electronics.
>>>
>>This experience has made me very much aware of such shops.
>
> Some are good, others bad. Even in same shop each
> "technician" has their own level of experience and
> misconceptions. So it is, also, if you were to call Dell
> and talk to a CSR about anything not listed in their support
> booklet. When in doubt, talk to senior technicians if
> possible.
>
>
>>> It does make it arguable that the lack of fan may've
>>> contributed to the drive's death though. I wouldn't expect
>>> a seller to feel obligated to provide resolution to you, but
>>> if you feel like taking it up with them there is an argument
>>> to be made if you feel it gives any benefit to do so.
>>>
>>
>>I intend to make that argument. The computer came with a 3-year warranty.
>
> That's an unusually long warranty, you are fortunately,
> perhaps even lucky if/when they cover the drive failure.

I paid extra for the 3-year on-site warranty. The original warranty was a
1-year carry-in warranty. I was told by the shop this morning that the new
drive will be installed in my machine Monday morning. I'll believe it when I
see it.

>>I did complain, but my complaint was dismissed. Had I kown what I know
>>now,
>>I would have turned the heat up on them. I find it easier to be a nice
>>guy,
>>and sometimes I pay the price.
>
> It is possible to use removable bays without pusher fans but
> generally it's only sufficient on server-grade equipment
> where the fan noise isn't reduced, there are several loud
> mid-system or exhaust fans creating higher passive intake
> rate. Further, it requires a bay faceplace with a lot of
> open area to reduce flow impedance, the opposite of a
> design meant to use a fan as it should be the opposite,
> completely closed to prevent recirculation except for the
> fan hole itself.
>
I see. The new drive will go into the case and not the removable bay.

>>> Often boards start out with fan shutdown features disabled
>>> because many boards don't reliably detect fans below a
>>> certain threshold, so for the optimal low-RPM (low noise,
>>> dust accumulation and wear) fan it's more likely to be a
>>> problem for the motherboard to correctly detect it's
>>> operation, than an (otherwise less desirable)
>>> small/cheap/loud fan would be.
>>
>>I haven't had any problems with the fans. Since I enabled the temperature
>>and fan failure warnings, they've been working fine. When they fall
>>outside
>>of the stated limits, a buzzer goes on. I don't know whether they would
>>trigger a shutdown after a time (GigaByte K7 Triton GA-7N400-L
>>Motherboard).
>
>
> You're more likely to have fan trouble in the future than
> the past, since even most junk fans will run for a year or
> two. If any begin making noise, immediately lube them (if
> sleeve-bearing type) or seek a replacement if ball-bearing
> (which fail more slowly, usually) rather than waiting for a
> complete failure or RPM alarm.

Will do.

Thanks for your guidance, Kony.

Andy