On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:38:19 -0700, Rod Speed wrote
(in article <5ebcgtF37mkbiU1@mid.individual.net>):

> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> ZnU wrote
>>>>>>> zeez <UltimaUW@excite.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>> Does anyone really see Nokia or Motorola or even Palm
>>>>>>> developing a platform that can match OS X? Creating and
>>>>>>> maintaining a desktop-class OS is not at all trivial. None of
>>>>>>> Apple's competitors really has any serious experience with
>>>>>>> it except for Microsoft, and Microsoft has its own problems.
>
>>>>>> Thing is, that it's about time somebody who KNOWS
>>>>>> how to do a user interface designed a phone.
>
>>>>> Sure, but MS does and the result isnt that flash.
>
>>>> You're trying to tell a Mac user that Microsoft knows how to do UI.
>
>>> Nope, just rubbing his nose in the fact that even MS can improve the UI.
>
>> When are they gonna do it for their own computer OS users?
>
> They've already done that, and its hilarious how
> much of the UI is spreading into Linux now.
>
>>>> Their a little less clueless than the cell phone companies
>>>> that have never had to create UI for complex multifunction
>>>> devices before, but they're no Apple.e.
>
>>> I dont believe the ipod UI is anything to cream your jeans about.
>
>> Have you used many portable media players?
>
> Yep.
>
>> Most have a lousy UI.
>
> Yep. But the ipod UI still leaves quite a bit to be desired anyway.
>
> ITunes in spades.
>
>> Its one reason why iPod is on top and stays on top.
>
> Nope, thats primarily due to the recognition factor. The same
> thing that sees MS so completely dominate PC apps now.
>
>>> Not really intuitive enough to be able to use without a manual for most.
>
>> Huh? Are we talking about the same iPod?
>
> Yep.
>
>> It's so intuitive that when I got mine, (which was given to me) it came
>> without a manual. I never needed one. It was instantly obvious to
>> even the most casual observer, exactly how the lil' bugger worked.
>
> Thats just plain wrong with loading it with what you want.
>
> And finding a particular tune when its full of stuff too.

We can't be talking about the same iPod. Nothing could be simpler
>
>>> Corse its arguable if that is even possible.
>
>>>>> There's a variety of user interface approaches that are
>>>>> possible with a device like a phone and its far from clear
>>>>> that what works with PCs is much use on a phone,
>>>>> particularly one that doesnt even have a keyboard or mouse.
>
>>>> True. Apple appears to have not made that mistake.
>
>>> We'll see...
>
>>> The ipod and iTunes isnt that intuitive and that combination has
>>> a hell of a lot more to work with UI wise, particularly iTunes.
>
>> You must be using iTunes and the iPod in a parallel universe.
>
> Nope.
>
>> A child can figure out both in seconds
>
> Fantasy.

Yet they do.