George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> ZnU wrote
>>>>>>>> zeez <UltimaUW@excite.com> wrote

>>>>>>>> Does anyone really see Nokia or Motorola or even Palm
>>>>>>>> developing a platform that can match OS X? Creating and
>>>>>>>> maintaining a desktop-class OS is not at all trivial. None of
>>>>>>>> Apple's competitors really has any serious experience with
>>>>>>>> it except for Microsoft, and Microsoft has its own problems.

>>>>>>> Thing is, that it's about time somebody who KNOWS
>>>>>>> how to do a user interface designed a phone.

>>>>>> Sure, but MS does and the result isnt that flash.

>>>>> You're trying to tell a Mac user that Microsoft knows how to do UI.

>>>> Nope, just rubbing his nose in the fact that even MS can improve the UI.

>>> When are they gonna do it for their own computer OS users?

>> They've already done that, and its hilarious how
>> much of the UI is spreading into Linux now.

>>>>> Their a little less clueless than the cell phone companies
>>>>> that have never had to create UI for complex multifunction
>>>>> devices before, but they're no Apple.e.

>>>> I dont believe the ipod UI is anything to cream your jeans about.

>>> Have you used many portable media players?

>> Yep.

>>> Most have a lousy UI.

>> Yep. But the ipod UI still leaves quite a bit to be desired anyway.

>> ITunes in spades.

>>> Its one reason why iPod is on top and stays on top.

>> Nope, thats primarily due to the recognition factor. The same
>> thing that sees MS so completely dominate PC apps now.

>>>> Not really intuitive enough to be able to use without a manual for most.

>>> Huh? Are we talking about the same iPod?

>> Yep.

>>> It's so intuitive that when I got mine, (which was given to me) it
>>> came without a manual. I never needed one. It was instantly obvious
>>> to even the most casual observer, exactly how the lil' bugger worked.

>> Thats just plain wrong with loading it with what you want.

>> And finding a particular tune when its full of stuff too.

> We can't be talking about the same iPod.

Fraid so.

> Nothing could be simpler

Corse it could be simpler.

>>>> Corse its arguable if that is even possible.

>>>>>> There's a variety of user interface approaches that are
>>>>>> possible with a device like a phone and its far from clear
>>>>>> that what works with PCs is much use on a phone,
>>>>>> particularly one that doesnt even have a keyboard or mouse.

>>>>> True. Apple appears to have not made that mistake.

>>>> We'll see...

>>>> The ipod and iTunes isnt that intuitive and that combination has
>>>> a hell of a lot more to work with UI wise, particularly iTunes.

>>> You must be using iTunes and the iPod in a parallel universe.

>> Nope.

>>> A child can figure out both in seconds

>> Fantasy.

> Yet they do.

No they dont, that seconds is a lie.