Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> OK, exactly what are iTunes' failings?

>> Its not very intuitive when loading the ipod with mp3
>> you already have on the computer for example.

> Explain, please.

I already did. Its much more intuitive for the ipod to appear
as a drive and to use the normal file manager interface you
are already used to than a special purpose app.

iTunes doesnt even browse the computer's drive very intuitively.

>> And what applications do those things better?

>> Its rather more intuitive to just drag and drop those mp3s
>> etc you already have to a drive which is the media player.

> That's one option you have with iTunes.

Not with the file manager you use for everything else.

The media player is just another drive. So are the cameras etc.

>>>>> But the iPod has the best UI of any portable
>>>>> media player extant--until Friday, that is.

>>>> Nope, plenty of cellphones leave it for dead, essentially
>>>> because they integrate the media player with other capability.

>>> The iPod isn't a cell phone; how can you compare the two?

>> Those others combined those functions long before the iphone ever showed up.

> Huh? We were talking about the iPod.

Nope, we're talking about media players.

> But even though they did those functions before the iPhone ever
> showed up doesn't mean that they do it better than the iPhone.

They do anyway when the device is just another drive visible on the computer.

> Heck, Verizon's phones don't do it at all--you can't
> download music from the computer to the phone, period.

Irrelevant to what hordes of phones can do in that regard.

>> Apple was very slow to see the need for that.

> Slow?

Yep, everyone else has had phones that are
also media players for a long time now.

> Apple did it with their very first phone; you can't get any faster than that.

Corse you can, you dont have to lag the rest of the market so dismally.

>>>>> Why do you think that the iPod has that recognition factor?

>>>> Essentially because its an Apple product.

>>> And all those Windows users flocked to the iPod because it's an Apple product?

>> Nope, because of the brand recognition, they recognised the brand
>> when they decided they needed a media player and a superficial look
>> showed that its a viable product.

> I see; all those other MP3 players that were on the
> market before the iPod made no impression on them?

Those that were suckers for the ipod, no they didnt.

> And then when the iPod came out, they started screaming at Apple to
> make it work with Windows (which the iPod originally didn't do) because
> it was, by God, an *Apple*, whose computers they refused to buy.

Nope, they ignored them until they could be used with what they had.