Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> OK, exactly what are iTunes' failings?

>>>> Its not very intuitive when loading the ipod with mp3
>>>> you already have on the computer for example.

>>> Explain, please.

>> I already did. Its much more intuitive for the ipod to appear
>> as a drive and to use the normal file manager interface you
>> are already used to than a special purpose app.

> No it isn't.

Corse it is. You dont have a separate app per device for starters.

>>>> And what applications do those things better?

>>>> Its rather more intuitive to just drag and drop those mp3s
>>>> etc you already have to a drive which is the media player.

>>> That's one option you have with iTunes.

>> Not with the file manager you use for everything else.

> And that file manager can't play music.

Corse it can.

> Let's see, with your preferred method, you use one application to download music,
> another to play it, another to copy it to the iPod, and another to burn it to CDs.

Wrong again, I use the one file manager for all of that.

> I, on the other hand, use iTunes for all of those functions
> in one easy to use, intuitive, integrated application.

Pity about all the other devices that also just show up as a drive.

>>>>>>> But the iPod has the best UI of any portable
>>>>>>> media player extant--until Friday, that is.

> Right here, we're talking about the iPod

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist mindless bigots ?

>>>>>> Nope, plenty of cellphones leave it for dead, essentially
>>>>>> because they integrate the media player with other capability.

> Gee, right here, you're changing it to cell phones.

Because even someone as stupid as you should have
noticed that the iphone has both of those functionalitys.

>>>>> The iPod isn't a cell phone; how can you compare the two?

>>>> Those others combined those functions
>>>> long before the iphone ever showed up.

> And here you're talking about cell phones again,

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist mindless bigots ?

> still in response to the iPod interface.

Wrong again.

>>> Huh? We were talking about the iPod.

>> Nope, we're talking about media players.

> And now, you're talking about media players.

Because even someone as stupid as you should have
noticed that the iphone has both of those functionalitys.

>> Nope, we're talking about media players.

>>> But even though they did those functions before the iPhone ever
>>> showed up doesn't mean that they do it better than the iPhone.

>> They do anyway when the device is just another drive visible on the computer.

>>> Heck, Verizon's phones don't do it at all--you can't download
>>> music from the computer to the phone, period.

>> Irrelevant to what hordes of phones can do in that regard.

> But we were talking about one of the reasons I'm planning to switch from Verizon.

Nope, we've moved on to rubbing your stupid nose in the fact that
Apple is VERY late with a phone that is also a media player.

>>>> Apple was very slow to see the need for that.

>>> Slow?

>> Yep, everyone else has had phones that are
>> also media players for a long time now.

>>> Apple did it with their very first phone; you can't get any faster than that.

Typical mindless silly stuff.

>> Corse you can, you dont have to lag the rest of the market so dismally.

> Oh, so you're saying that Apple should have produced a cell phone years ago?

Yep. Everyone else noticed the advantage of combining the functionality of a phone, media
player, web browser, camera, even GPS, etc LONG before Apple ever had a product.

>>>>>>> Why do you think that the iPod has that recognition factor?

>>>>>> Essentially because its an Apple product.

>>>>> And all those Windows users flocked to the iPod because it's an Apple product?

>>>> Nope, because of the brand recognition, they recognised the brand
>>>> when they decided they needed a media player and a superficial look
>>>> showed that its a viable product.

>>> I see; all those other MP3 players that were on the
>>> market before the iPod made no impression on them?

>> Those that were suckers for the ipod, no they didnt.

> 70% of those who have bought MP3 players are suckers?

Nope, never ever said anything like that.

>>> And then when the iPod came out, they started screaming at Apple to
>>> make it work with Windows (which the iPod originally didn't do) because
>>> it was, by God, an *Apple*, whose computers they refused to> buy.

>> Nope, they ignored them until they could be used with what they had.

> If they hadn't shown an interest in wanting an iPod, Apple wouldn't
> have made the iPod compatible with Windows in the first place.

Bullshit. Even Jobs has managed to grasp that the
absolute vast bulk of the market doesnt use a Mac.

> But even if you're right, that means that people who had avoided
> both Apple and MP3 players in droves suddenly swarmed to get
> iPods because Apple made the iPod available for Windows?

Nope.

> Do you realize how senseless your thesis is?

Easy to claim, bigot.

> I'll tell you one thing, though; if the iPhone won't do voice
> dialing and if it won't upload its address book to my car
> (which has Bluetooth capability for cell phones), I won't buy
> one. If it does one, but not the other, I'll have to decide.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.