On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:23:10 -0700, Michelle Steiner wrote
(in article <michelle-E970F5.00231026062007@news.east.cox.net>):

> In article <5ebrl0F379ssbU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> OK, exactly what are iTunes' failings?
>>
>>>> Its not very intuitive when loading the ipod with mp3 you already
>>>> have on the computer for example.
>>
>>> Explain, please.
>>
>> I already did. Its much more intuitive for the ipod to appear as a
>> drive and to use the normal file manager interface you are already
>> used to than a special purpose app.
>
> No it isn't.
>
>>>> And what applications do those things better?
>>
>>>> Its rather more intuitive to just drag and drop those mp3s etc you
>>>> already have to a drive which is the media player.
>>
>>> That's one option you have with iTunes.
>>
>> Not with the file manager you use for everything else.
>
> And that file manager can't play music. Let's see, with your preferred
> method, you use one application to download music, another to play it,
> another to copy it to the iPod, and another to burn it to CDs. I, on
> the other hand, use iTunes for all of those functions in one easy to
> use, intuitive, integrated application.

I think we've found ourselves another cross-posting Apple hater Michelle.
Apple's way is no good because it's ...well....Apples way. Any other way is
better because it's ... well, ... not Apple's way.
>
>>>>>>> But the iPod has the best UI of any portable
>>>>>>> media player extant--until Friday, that is.
>
> Right here, we're talking about the iPod
>
>>>>>> Nope, plenty of cellphones leave it for dead, essentially
>>>>>> because they integrate the media player with other capability.
>
> Gee, right here, you're changing it to cell phones.
>
>>>>> The iPod isn't a cell phone; how can you compare the two?
>>
>>>> Those others combined those functions long before the iphone ever
>>>> showed up.
>
> And here you're talking about cell phones again, still in response to
> the iPod interface.
>
>>> Huh? We were talking about the iPod.
>>
>> Nope, we're talking about media players.
>
> And now, you're talking about media players.
>
>> Nope, we're talking about media players.
>>
>>> But even though they did those functions before the iPhone ever
>>> showed up doesn't mean that they do it better than the iPhone.
>>
>> They do anyway when the device is just another drive visible on the
>> computer.
>>
>>> Heck, Verizon's phones don't do it at all--you can't download music
>>> from the computer to the phone, period.
>>
>> Irrelevant to what hordes of phones can do in that regard.
>
> But we were talking about one of the reasons I'm planning to switch from
> Verizon.
>
>>> Apple did it with their very first phone; you can't get any faster
>>> than that.
>>
>> Corse you can, you dont have to lag the rest of the market so
>> dismally.
>
> Oh, so you're saying that Apple should have produced a cell phone years
> ago?
>
>>> I see; all those other MP3 players that were on the market before
>>> the iPod made no impression on them?
>>
>> Those that were suckers for the ipod, no they didnt.
>
> 70% of those who have bought MP3 players are suckers?
>
>>> And then when the iPod came out, they started screaming at Apple to
>>> make it work with Windows (which the iPod originally didn't do)
>>> because it was, by God, an *Apple*, whose computers they refused to
>>> buy.
>>
>> Nope, they ignored them until they could be used with what they had.
>
> If they hadn't shown an interest in wanting an iPod, Apple wouldn't have
> made the iPod compatible with Windows in the first place. But even if
> you're right, that means that people who had avoided both Apple and MP3
> players in droves suddenly swarmed to get iPods because Apple made the
> iPod available for Windows? Do you realize how senseless your thesis is?
>
> I'll tell you one thing, though; if the iPhone won't do voice dialing
> and if it won't upload its address book to my car (which has Bluetooth
> capability for cell phones), I won't buy one. If it does one, but not
> the other, I'll have to decide.

It won't surprise me if it doesn't do one or the other. Rarely do I buy a
technology product (or even a computer application) that will do everything I
would put in it had I designed it. I suspect we're all that way