On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:55:14 -0700, Rod Speed wrote
(in article <5ebh14F37somcU1@mid.individual.net>):

> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> ZnU <znu@fake.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ZnU wrote
>>>>>>>>> zeez <UltimaUW@excite.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone really see Nokia or Motorola or even Palm
>>>>>>>>> developing a platform that can match OS X? Creating and
>>>>>>>>> maintaining a desktop-class OS is not at all trivial. None of
>>>>>>>>> Apple's competitors really has any serious experience with
>>>>>>>>> it except for Microsoft, and Microsoft has its own problems.
>
>>>>>>>> Thing is, that it's about time somebody who KNOWS
>>>>>>>> how to do a user interface designed a phone.
>
>>>>>>> Sure, but MS does and the result isnt that flash.
>
>>>>>> You're trying to tell a Mac user that Microsoft knows how to do UI.
>
>>>>> Nope, just rubbing his nose in the fact that even MS can improve the UI.
>
>>>> When are they gonna do it for their own computer OS users?
>
>>> They've already done that, and its hilarious how
>>> much of the UI is spreading into Linux now.
>
>>>>>> Their a little less clueless than the cell phone companies
>>>>>> that have never had to create UI for complex multifunction
>>>>>> devices before, but they're no Apple.e.
>
>>>>> I dont believe the ipod UI is anything to cream your jeans about.
>
>>>> Have you used many portable media players?
>
>>> Yep.
>
>>>> Most have a lousy UI.
>
>>> Yep. But the ipod UI still leaves quite a bit to be desired anyway.
>
>>> ITunes in spades.
>
>>>> Its one reason why iPod is on top and stays on top.
>
>>> Nope, thats primarily due to the recognition factor. The same
>>> thing that sees MS so completely dominate PC apps now.
>
>>>>> Not really intuitive enough to be able to use without a manual for most.
>
>>>> Huh? Are we talking about the same iPod?
>
>>> Yep.
>
>>>> It's so intuitive that when I got mine, (which was given to me) it
>>>> came without a manual. I never needed one. It was instantly obvious
>>>> to even the most casual observer, exactly how the lil' bugger worked.
>
>>> Thats just plain wrong with loading it with what you want.
>
>>> And finding a particular tune when its full of stuff too.
>
>> We can't be talking about the same iPod.
>
> Fraid so.
>
>> Nothing could be simpler
>
> Corse it could be simpler.
>
>>>>> Corse its arguable if that is even possible.
>
>>>>>>> There's a variety of user interface approaches that are
>>>>>>> possible with a device like a phone and its far from clear
>>>>>>> that what works with PCs is much use on a phone,
>>>>>>> particularly one that doesnt even have a keyboard or mouse.
>
>>>>>> True. Apple appears to have not made that mistake.
>
>>>>> We'll see...
>
>>>>> The ipod and iTunes isnt that intuitive and that combination has
>>>>> a hell of a lot more to work with UI wise, particularly iTunes.
>
>>>> You must be using iTunes and the iPod in a parallel universe.
>
>>> Nope.
>
>>>> A child can figure out both in seconds
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>>> Fantasy.
>
>> Yet they do.
>
> No they dont, that seconds is a lie.

Well, if you're going to play the "literalist" card, I'm leaving the
discussion.