George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>> OK, exactly what are iTunes' failings?

>>>>>> Its not very intuitive when loading the ipod with mp3
>>>>>> you already have on the computer for example.

>>>>> Explain, please.

>>>> I already did. Its much more intuitive for the ipod to appear
>>>> as a drive and to use the normal file manager interface you
>>>> are already used to than a special purpose app.

>>> You can.

>> No you cant by just plugging it in and carrying on
>> regardless like you can with the competitive products.

> Well not for music, anyway.

Precisely.

>>> But what about playlists, and song titles and on video
>>> iPods album art that's associated with the music?

>> Any decent device does all that fine. And a hell of a lot
>> more too, like the camera detail with cameras etc too.

> What do Cameras have to do with iPods?

Everything to do with the sort of extra detail
that goes with the files the device handles.

Its much more intuitive if all those devices, media players,
cameras, phones, USB keys, etc etc etc all just appear as
another drive when you plug them into the computer and
you can move stuff from one to the other at will with the
file manager you use all the time, rather than each device
having its own special purpose app like iTunes, each with
its own unique UI and way of doing things.

>>> These things need a dedicated application to do.

>> Wrong again.

>>> It won't happen by moving files on the desktop.

>> Never said a word about any desktop, and
>> it works fine even if you do that anyway.

>>>> iTunes doesnt even browse the computer's drive very intuitively.

>>>>>> And what applications do those things better?

>>>>>> Its rather more intuitive to just drag and drop those mp3s
>>>>>> etc you already have to a drive which is the media player.

>>>>> That's one option you have with iTunes.

>>>> Not with the file manager you use for everything else.

>>> Yes you can,

>> No you cant by just plugging it in and carrying on
>> regardless like you can with the competitive products.

>>> it just doesn't arrange them very well, or allow you to
>>> associate album art or liner notes with the music.

>> Have fun explaining how come the computer manages that fine with mp3s etc.

>>> iTunes facilitates all of that.

>> So does the file manager when that stuff is already on the
>> computer and you just want to dump it into the media player.

>> Sure, iTunes is worth having for the stupids who dont use a file
>> manager, but it should allow you to treat the device as just another
>> drive, like all the other removable drives any computer sees.

> Why do you assume that anyone who works differently than you work is stupid?

Never did. I just realise that there are indeed some stupids who dont
even know what a drive is and that those may well prefer to use iTunes,
particularly if they dont have any other devices that plug into the computer
like media players, cameras, phones, USB keys etc etc etc.

Cant be too many of those left anymore tho.

>> Its fucked having separate apps like iTunes for every device
>> because you cant use just one app for all the devices.

> I disagree.

Your problem.

> I think it makes using these devices easier and that
> therefore it empowers people with their computers.

No it doesnt when each one has its own special purpose
app like iTunes with its own unique way of doing things.

> Or are you one of those people who would rather the computer remain an
> arcane device usable and fathomable only by the initiated and knowledgeable?

Nope.

> Many feel that way, and I don't see where such an attitude is very helpful or useful.

Sure.

> If the automobile industry had maintained such an
> attitude, we'd still be using hand cranks to start our cars.

Bogus analogy.