"zappo" <zappo@zappo.com> wrote:

> > Check with us in 11 years,
>
> Still will have fuck all of the country covered by wifi.

wee WiMax / 4G

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX

> > and your tune will say, "oh, I guess that Oxford guy was right".
>
> Not a chance. And you'll be dead then anyway.

I'm only 40, so I still have about 46 years left to see all this play
out.

> >>> Cell towers are dead ends, VOIP wipes them out and is basically "free".
>
> >> Pity about the lack of WiFi in so much of the area most want to move in.
>
> > Do you live in the US? Just curious? or the back woods?
>
> Irrelevant to how much of the US is covered by wifi where its viable to do
> voip.

about 40% of the current coverage area based on population density.

> >> And if cell towers are dead ends, no point in getting an
> >> iphone, you might as well just have a decent non phone
> >> instead and avoid the 2 year contract cost with AT&T too.
>
> > But an iPhone will allow for free phone calls within the year,
>
> We'll see...
>
> > most "cell" phones won't.
>
> Most wont care because there plans wont
> cost anything like what the iphone plans cost.

The iPhone plan is pretty cheap actually, $59, for 450 full rollover
minutes and unlimited data / email / web. Only $20 more if you an
existing customer.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html

> >>>> And then there's the phone plans on offer too. That
> >>>> isnt something that was relevant with the ipod, you
> >>>> could just dump your CDs into if it you wanted to.
>
> >>> But you don't need a data plan for many of the iphone features,
>
> >> You do for voip tho.
>
> > Not sure as of yet. VOIP would run in the Safari Browser
> > as it sits now, so there would be no need for "data" through
> > ATT for that. That's all pure TCP/IP / 802.11.
>
> Pity about what they charge per month.

???? It's less than most other services.

> >>> so just learn that once Skype is on the iPhone,
> >>> (about 2 months) no need to pay ATT a single penny.
>
> >> Wrong, you're locked into a 2 year contract with ATT.
>
> > Ah, but you can leave on day 1 for $175, so you aren't "locked in".
>
> You still get to pay someone a substantial monthly charge.

Yes, $27 a month for unlimited wireless data, web, email. But that's
cheap compared to what an old fashioned cell company is trying to
"double" suck out of you.

> >>> Then the iPhone becomes a "free" phone
> >>> to talk to anyone in the world for "free".
>
> >> Fantasy. Skype aint free.
>
> > Skype to Skype is free, so iPhone to iPhone would be free,
>
> Pity about everyone else you need to call.

pretty much everyone i deal with, business clients, family members, etc
will have an iphone within 24 months, so it's not a problem for me. if
you still need to call an old fashioned phone, you can still do it with
skype out for $3 a month, or 2.1 cents per minute for international
calls.

> > sure if you are talking to an old fashioned phone, you pay a small fee, or
> > international old fashioned phones, you pay a bit higher fee, but Skype to
> > Skype anywhere in the world, to Skype anywhere in the world is free.
>
> Pity about those you need to call that dont have skype.

What? you clearly don't understand how skype works, you can call ANYONE
with skype, they don't have to have skype to talk to them with skype.
Maybe that's where your confusion is?

http://www.skype.com/products/skypeout/

> >>> Like it should be.
>
> >> Its nothing like that.
>
> > You'll learn.
>
> I've learnt, that wankers like you have never ever had a clue.

Ah, see above, you haven't even learned how skype works.

> > And since you are too slow to understand large
> > concepts as I discuss, you've been Plonked!
>
> Fat lot of good that will do you, child.
>
> > Sorry, you just aren't rational.
>
> Silly little desperatey wanking children like you in spades, child.
>
> Now clean that mess up and go to your room.

poor ron