tony <spacemarine@mailinator.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>> There's plenty that do playlists too, in fact almost all
>> of them do. Plenty that are just as easy to synch too.

> so you can sync w/ your itunes managed music collection?

Nope, you synch with its own music collection and
that can use the itunes managed music collection.

> it will auto sync based on your prefs, load desired playlists, etc?

Yep.

> and all w/o software (as you claim)!

Never ever said anything remotely resembling anything like that.

> amazing. er wait, they do use software? so why would i want
> to abandon my ipod for a new random cell+media system?

It aint random and it will do anything itunes can do, and you get
everything in the one device instead of in separate devices.

> wouldnt.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

You're just another mindless apple sucker.

>> There's fuck all likely to piss $5/600+ and a 2 year $50/90
>> per month against the wall on an iphone just for that.

> i like how you copy & paste the same crap.

Fools like you cant manage to comprehend even the simplest stuff the
first time around. Just like with a dog or a small child, the key is repetition.

>>> cell phone makers have shown they arent very good
>>> at making media players that people care about.

>> Easy to claim...

> yep. it sure is.

Hell of a lot harder to substantiate that claim.

>>> why learn a whole new system when you have one that works very well?

>> Why piss $5/600+ and a 2 year $50/90 per month against the wall

> actually, its 60/80, according to the NYT.

>> no way to run 3rd party apps,

> crazy thing about computers -- updates. its this thing called "software"...
> they call it "soft" because it changes. usually does, in fact.

Useless if they choose not to offer what you need.

>> no removable battery,

> that is lame.

Nope, it means that you can replace that cheaply when it inevitably dies.

>> no sim,

> not according to the NYT:

They're wrong, the EDGE system doesnt use sims.

> http://www.nytimes.com/ref/business/...E_GRAPHIC.html

>> etc etc etc.

> what etc etc?

No storage cards, no decent camera, no video recording,

Plenty more at the bottom of that post that you carefully deleted from the quoting.

>>>>> If you want an iPod as opposed to a "music player" (and most people do),

>>>> No they dont.

>>> but they do. see ipod sales.

>> See the sales of all those phones with media players and non ipod media players.

> youve lost the context.

Nope.

> the orig quote was saying that apple's superior UI is marketworthy

No it didnt.

> -- the proof being that folks prefer ipods to any other mp3 player.

No they dont.

> nothing to do w/ phones here, skippy.

Everything to do with what other media players get bought, monkey.

>>>>> The iPhone is designed so much better than other
>>>>> phones that it will offset any lack of familiarity.

>>>> Easy to claim. It remains to be seen how valid that claim actually is.

>>> the track record is in apples favor, here.

>> Nope.

> um, but it is.

Nope. Apple had ONE real success, the ipod, and host of complete duds too.

> everyone knows apple does UI best.

No they dont, the Newton had a completely fucked UI.

> even developers at competing companies say so. look it up.

Look up the netwon.

>>> see Mac,

>> Useless, sweet fuck all of the market even bother with it.

> popularity and superior product arent always relational.

Doesnt make it a superior product just claiming that it is either.

> toyoto is far more popular than lamborghini, but.. well, you get the idea.

That complete wank isnt a superior product.

>>> and iPod. they would appear to know how to "do" design.

>> Doesnt mean that it ever takes off tho. Look at the Newton.

> look at ipod.

You made the stupid claim that all apple products take off, they clearly dont.

>> The Mac and Newton clearly arent.

> the mac is, and continues to sell well

Nope, its just a tiny niche market product that hardly
anyone even considers except previous suckers.

> -- remember apple has billions in the bank, and has had billions in the bank.

And it would have sunk beneath the waves if it hadnt been for the ipod.

> the newton. well... youve picked one weak product out of two decades.

There's been a lot more than one dud in those two decades.

> congrats.

Pffft.

>>> ...which has historically been talking. but for people looking to
>>> consolidate devices, which is who i believe the iphone is marketed
>>> to, then "what they bought it for" becomes talking, media, internet.

>> Plenty of phone can do that, YEARS before the iphone.

> oh?

Yep.

> what other phones sport a full web browser,
> standards based, javascript/ajax apps, etc...?

Utterly bogus slipping in that standards based, and plenty do anyway.

> and what other phones support itunes?

They all support other ways of loading their media player.

Much more intuitive ways like appearing as a drive on
the computer for that too, something the ipod cant do.

> cuz see, to me, those things are a requirement of doing what i want well.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

>>> media players & cameras are bundled trinkets in today's cellphones.

>> Nope, plenty have enough of a clue to want that stuff in one device.

> oh, i see

Nope, you never ever do.

> -- so youve given up your digital camera in favor of your phone?

Nope, I have a camera in the phone where its convenient to use
for the usual unplanned camera use that happens all the time.

> you dont want a regular cam, w/ good glass & optics,
> superior censor quality, image stabilization, etc?

I want the convenience of the camera in the phone too.

> interesting.

Pathetic.

> me, ill keep my regular camera handy, and use my phonecam for
> taking pictures of....hmm. let me get back to you on that one.

Plenty of things like whats on offer when looking around for a particular
item and seeing who is offering what. Evidence after some fool runs into
your car. The model plate on an appliance when you are hunting for parts
for it. The old part you need to replace. The problem with the current one.
Etc etc etc.

>>> the majority of everyday phones w/ them are not purchased due to
>>> their inclusion; these phones were bought (or promo-ed) for talking.

>> Wrong with the high end phones and pdas.

> which are not the majority of "everyday" phones. thus the label "high end".

True in spades of the iphone.

>> Pity it doesnt even have a GPS.

> you mean user-accessible gps...

Yep, or app accessible, anyway.

> all cell handset hardware has them as per the e911 requirement. bet
> a future version lets you use it. cuz you know, apple is clever like that.

Pity its so late to market on that.