At 01 Jul 2007 10:12:00 -0400 Michael Paris wrote:

> > True. However, you'll have a hard time might hearing that bluetooth-
> > transfered ringtone in a "no-service" area...
> >
> And can I have your documented areas where the have "no-service" areas,
> and not your rhetoric.

Sure you can have my documented areas, and I'll toss in the rhetoric for
free!

For starters, my southwestern Denver suburban neighborhood- a subdivision
of about 2000 homes, where as of two years ago when Verizon finally put
up a tower AT&T/Cingular became the ONLY carrier that DOESN'T work here.
Even Nextel works! (For years, only Sprint and T-Mo worked here!
Ironically the two services most maligned for crappy coverage.)

> Since you don't use ATT, how would you know?

I used Cingular since before there was a "Cingular" (SBMS in KC.) I was
a monthly Cingular customer for ten years, a Cingular dealer for seven of
them, and used them until I moved to Denver. I continued using them for
three more on prepaid (via three resellers, Callplus, Justalk, and Beyond
Wireless) as a TDMA/analog backup for my T-Mo GSM phone. I even have a
few GoPhones I've bought on clearance sales that Iwhip out when I need in
a pinch (i.e. selling a car and not wanting to use my home number.)

> Funny, my "no-service" phone seemed to work everywhere I've been in
> the US,

Good for you. I've had trouble with Cingular in a few National Parks
throughout the west and the Colorado ski resorts where I've had to put my
prepaid phone into manual selection mode and roam on Verizon. A network
search of my quad-band T-Mo phone comes up empty.

I get piss-poor service on Cingular in many parts of East Providence, RI,
(where I grew up and am currently visiting family) a city of 50,000. My
brother uses Verizon here as his primary business phone because, in his
words, "everyone else has shi--y coverage outside of Providence..."

I was in Washington DC earlier this month, ONLY Verizon works in the
Metro (subway.)

> and btw, it worked in areas like europe where VZW and Sprint
> phones would be needed to go to some secure land fill because they are
> nothing more then paperweights. So where is more areas?

Hey, I'm as much of a GSM snob as anyone- I'm a happy T-Mobile customer.
I LIKE Cingular as well- good phones, reasonable prices, fast data, etc.

But, UNLIKE you, apparently, just because I like or use a service, I
don't delude myself into thinking it's obviously the "best" in all
facets. For example, T-Mo has excellent voice quality, and is an
excellent value, but has slow data and relatively weak rural covrage.
Cingular has fast data, is relatively cheap, but lacks nationwide
coverage compared to Verizon, like T-Mo. I'd still take Cingular over
Verizon because of other GSM benefits (the ability to change phones on a
whim, international roaming, ability to use handsets sourced outside the
carrier, etc.) but I stick with T-Mo over AT&T due to the LARGE coverage
hole around my home.

> One or two here and there, and that works both ways.

In my experience it's more one-way! There are certainly areas where
Cingular works and Verizon doesn't, but in my travels those are far fewer
than the other way around.

> I had excellent coverage with them, except in my home.
Hmmm, so did I!

In my experience with many years of cellular usage, Verizon hands down
wins on coverage- but so what? If coverage isn't your #1 priority, (it's
not mine- cheap ubiquitous data and voice quality rank higher for me)
other services are preferable.

This is the point where the Verizonites all hop in and say "of course
coverage is the number one priority- it's a phone, blah, blah..."

Of course if they REALLY believed that, they'd drop Verizon for Iridium
or any other satellite phone because they truly work everywhere,
including the places even Verizon doesn't!

That just proves even the Verizon coverage snobs have a price/coverage
ratio tolerance - it's just different than mine!



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