"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:pkmcd3l8l0shdkt0rasdech8vrpor72ndp@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:32:29 -0500, "Ken Maltby"
> <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>>news:j9qbd3d0354a01npsscbl4af8hstl7h4au@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:18:02 -0500, "Ken Maltby"
>>> <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Noozer" <dont.spam@me.here> wrote in message
>>>>news:JkiBi.104337$rX4.39427@pd7urf2no...
>>>>>> This may be a long shot, but try cleaning up any startup
>>>>>> related software/OS drivers. Especially keyboard related,
>>>>>> and in your case anything that might be connected to,
>>>>>> wake on LAN, or such.
>>>>>
>>>>> How could ANY software/OS cause the PC to freeze during POST?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The OP was that it was "Inconsistent" and happening
>>>>"within 4 min. of cold power up" and "on ONE occasion
>>>>it locked up in the middle of entering the BIOS password".
>>>>
>>>> But to answer -your- question; in the same way a boot
>>>>block virus works. There is more interaction possible
>>>>than you appear to be aware of.
>>>
>>> There is less interaction possible than /you/ appear to be
>>> aware of. A boot block virus isn't running until the system
>>> attempts to boot from that drive.
>>
>> Which occurs right after the POST, well within the 4min.
>>mentioned.
>
> There is no software factor including boot sector viri,
> which impede entering the bios menus. The machine has
> already demonstrated it is a hardware failure at that point.
> While it is /possible/ there is also a software failure,
> untill the initial hardware failure is resolved it would be
> premature to assume it.
>
>
>>
>> You are aware that there are programs that even rewrite
>>the BIOS from XP?
>
> Yes, they have to have some intelligence of the specific
> board to work. Show us even one virus that can write to
> this board.
>
>> If interaction at the level of totally
>>rewriting the BIOS are possible, why do you find it so hard
>>to understand that some of the data that the BIOS must
>>use can also be changed, is it just because I'm the one
>>pointing it out?
>
> What is theoretically possible, but never shown to exist
> with capability to flash the OP's board, is a scenrio so
> unlikely it would not be reasonable to consider unless there
> was evidence suggesting it.
>
> There are too many things to even enumerate that are
> possible if we can't play odds at least a little bit. There
> is no reason to think the bios has been written to, and
> particularly not that it had been written to but remained
> intact enough to POST the system only locking up soon
> thereafter. The odds are far lower than 1 in a million.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> But I would also direct you to any definition of the term
>>"Long Shot". This is based on an actual startup problem
>>I had with one system of mine, and it did turn out to be
>>caused by a keyboard driver problem. It would lock
>>things up so that it wouldn't even POST. Pressing the
>>Power Button or shorting the pins wouldn't start the sys,
>>even with the little green light on the MB glowing.
>
> On a restart maybe, but this was a problem from a
> powered-off, cold start. No driver will effect getting into
> the bios menu from a cold start.
>
>
>>
>> I have no way of knowing if this has anything to do
>>with the OP's problem, but it is possible. It is a long
>>shot worth the trouble of plugging in a different simple
>>keyboard. (One not designed to work with whatever
>>enhanced drivers there may be on the problem sys.)
>
>
> If the OP feels the keyboard is faulty, certainly another
> should be tried. If the keyboard otherwise works once the
> system is running (which it seems to do once ran and
> restarted), having the keyboard only exhibit this problem
> upon a cold start is also exceedingly unlikely.

Well the keyboard that I replaced worked fine when the
system was running, and still runs fine in another system,
(without the enhanced drivers). It ran fine as a keyboard
except when it was killing the restart of the system. Even
when it was shutdown with the power key and the switch
on the PSU turned off for a while, cold enough for you?

I could agree that it is an odd, probably rare occurrence,
but it did happen to this one system of mine. It gets a
little tiring to listen to you saying that what I've seen with
my own eyes, is not possible. Let's see, Kony and his
theory or objective reality, I'll take the evidence of my own
eyes. It could be that it was a coincidence that when the
keyboard was changed and the drivers removed, the system
could be started reliably again. But I find that highly unlikely.

The OP has nothing to loose trying another keyboard, and
since it is a long shot, the odds are that it won't be the answer
to his problem. Why you are so dead set against even
considering the possibility, could be another question.

Luck;
Ken