 Re: Apple's iPhone top choice to buy, survey shows
Rod Speed wrote:
> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> George Graves <gmgraves2@comcast.net> wrote
>>>>>> Michelle Steiner wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
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>>>>>>>>>>> OK, exactly what are iTunes' failings?
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>>>>>>>>>> Its not very intuitive when loading the ipod with mp3
>>>>>>>>>> you already have on the computer for example.
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>>>>>>>>> Explain, please.
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>>>>>>>> I already did. Its much more intuitive for the ipod to appear
>>>>>>>> as a drive and to use the normal file manager interface you
>>>>>>>> are already used to than a special purpose app.
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>>>>>>> No it isn't.
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>>>>>>>>>> And what applications do those things better?
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>>>>>>>>>> Its rather more intuitive to just drag and drop those mp3s
>>>>>>>>>> etc you already have to a drive which is the media player.
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>>>>>>>>> That's one option you have with iTunes.
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>>>>>>>> Not with the file manager you use for everything else.
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>>>>>>> And that file manager can't play music. Let's see, with your
>>>>>>> preferred method, you use one application to download music,
>>>>>>> another to play it, another to copy it to the iPod, and another
>>>>>>> to burn it to CDs. I, on the other hand, use iTunes for all of
>>>>>>> those functions in one easy to use, intuitive, integrated application.
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>>>>>> I think we've found ourselves another cross-posting Apple hater Michelle.
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>>>>> Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
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>>>> Ah, so now we degenerate into name calling.
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>>> Nope, you did. No name calling there, except by you.
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>> Where did I call you a name?
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> Even you should be able to find 'another cross-posting Apple hater' above.
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>> I said that you seemed to be an Apple hater (from your posts)
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> Pity there isnt a shred of apple hate in any of my posts.
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>> but that's hardly personal rancor.
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> Its clearly name calling.
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>>>>> So stupid it cant even work out that I didnt crosspost, I
>>>>> just left the original crossposting in place, just like you did.
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>>>> I didn't look, sorry about that, but why the personal rancor?
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>>> Might just have been triggered by your juvenile name calling.
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>> Again, what name calling?
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> See above.
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>> I have called you by no name.
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> Bare faced lie.
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>>>>>> Apple's way is no good because it's ...well....Apples way.
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>>>>> Wrong again. Its just much more intuitive for a device to
>>>>> showup as just another drive, and be able to use the device
>>>>> just like any other device when loading and unloading it.
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>>>> That's a matter of opinion, don't you think?
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>>> Nope. Matter of fact that allowing BOTH types of access is by definition
>>> more intuitive than a single special purpose app for access to the device.
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>>>> Anyway, its not mine.
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>>> Your problem.
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>> Not a problem, just a different opinion.
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> It your problem that your opinion differs.
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>>>> There are things that I would change in iTunes, sure, but overall,
>>>> its the best integrated app of its kind that I've seen so far.
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>>> You need to get out more.
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>>> And treating the device as a drive is much more intuitive than any app can be.
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>> I disagree
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> Your problem.
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>>>>> Sure, include a dedicated app for the stupids who dont even
>>>>> know what a drive is, but let those who do know what a drive
>>>>> is deal with the device just like any other drive if they want to.
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>>>> You can do that with an iPod is you wish.
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>>> Not easily by just plugging the iPod in and using it as a drive you cant.
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>>>> See Apple gives you the choice. But believe me,
>>>> its a lot harder without iTunes than it is with it.
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>>> No it isnt when its properly implemented as a drive.
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>> I'm sorry, all things considered, I simply don't see it.
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> Your problem.
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>>>>>> Any other way is better because it's ... well, ... not Apple's way.
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>>>>> Just another mindless Apple bigot.
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>>>> Seems to be the attitude that you are projecting in this thread.
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>>> Then you need to get your seems machinery seen to.
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>>>>> Even someone as stupid as you
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>>>> Again, why the personal rancor?
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>>> Again, might just have been triggered by your juvenile name calling.
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>> I called you no name.
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> Bare faced lie. You called me another cross-posting Apple hater.
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>>>> I've not called you any names have I?
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>>> Corse you did, you called me 'another cross-posting Apple hater'
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>> I "CHARACTERIZED" you as 'another cross posting Apple hater', I didn't call you one.
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> Pathetic.
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>> Even so, responding by calling me stupid,
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> Never did.
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>> bigoted,
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> Or that.
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>> incapable of thought
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> Or that.
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>> is hardly the same as characterizing someone as having a certain opinion (Apple hater)
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> Just another of your silly little fantasys.
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>> based upon their own words.
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> Just like with your stupidity and incapability of thought. Funny that.
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>>>>> should be able to have a look at my posting history and see that
>>>>> I hardly ever make any comment about Apple, and that when I
>>>>> do, I have said that the ipod particularly is a very decent
>>>>> product, albeit with some real downsides with iTunes particularly.
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>>>> Frankly, up until a few days ago, I don't remember seeing your name at all.
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>>> Irrelevant to my history in groups you dont read.
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>> But relevant enough when you call me stupid
>> because I haven't checked your posting history.
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> Never ever did that, liar.
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>>>>> Its not a particularly intuitive app, even if you ignore the
>>>>> fact that you cant treat the ipod as just another drive.
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>>> Try getting something out of an ipod and
>>> putting it in another media player for starters.
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>> I can do it for stuff that I've ripped from my own CD collection,
>> not from stuff bought from Apple's Music Store.
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> And you cant get stuff from somone else's ipod into your own very easily either.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the iPod has the best UI of any portable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> media player extant--until Friday, that is.
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>>>>>>> Right here, we're talking about the iPod
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, plenty of cellphones leave it for dead, essentially
>>>>>>>>>>>> because they integrate the media player with other capability.
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>>>>>>> Gee, right here, you're changing it to cell phones.
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>>>>>>>>>>> The iPod isn't a cell phone; how can you compare the two?
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>>>>>>>>>> Those others combined those functions long before the iphone
>>>>>>>>>> ever showed up.
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>>>>>>> And here you're talking about cell phones
>>>>>>> again, still in response to the iPod interface.
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>>>>>>>>> Huh? We were talking about the iPod.
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>>>>>>>> Nope, we're talking about media players.
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>>>>>>> And now, you're talking about media players.
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>>>>>>>> Nope, we're talking about media players.
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>>>>>>>>> But even though they did those functions before the iPhone ever
>>>>>>>>> showed up doesn't mean that they do it better than the iPhone.
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>>>>>>>> They do anyway when the device is just another drive visible on the computer.
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>>>>>>>>> Heck, Verizon's phones don't do it at all--you can't download
>>>>>>>>> music from the computer to the phone, period.
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>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to what hordes of phones can do in that regard.
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>>>>>>> But we were talking about one of the reasons I'm planning to switch from Verizon.
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>>>>>>>>> Apple did it with their very first phone; you can't get any faster than that.
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>>>>>>>> Corse you can, you dont have to lag the rest of the market so dismally.
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>>>>>>> Oh, so you're saying that Apple should have produced a cell phone years ago?
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>>>>>>>>> I see; all those other MP3 players that were on the market
>>>>>>>>> before the iPod made no impression on them?
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>>>>>>>> Those that were suckers for the ipod, no they didnt.
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>>>>>>> 70% of those who have bought MP3 players are suckers?
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>>>>>>>>> And then when the iPod came out, they started screaming at
>>>>>>>>> Apple to make it work with Windows (which the iPod originally
>>>>>>>>> didn't do) because it was, by God, an *Apple*, whose computers
>>>>>>>>> they refused to buy.
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>>>>>>>> Nope, they ignored them until they could be used with what they had.
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>>>>>>> If they hadn't shown an interest in wanting an iPod, Apple
>>>>>>> wouldn't have made the iPod compatible with Windows in the first
>>>>>>> place. But even if you're right, that means that people who had
>>>>>>> avoided both
>>>>>>> Apple and MP3 players in droves suddenly swarmed to get iPods
>>>>>>> because Apple made the iPod available for Windows? Do you
>>>>>>> realize how senseless your thesis is?
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>>>>>>> I'll tell you one thing, though; if the iPhone won't do voice
>>>>>>> dialing and if it won't upload its address book to my car (which
>>>>>>> has Bluetooth capability for cell phones), I won't buy one. If
>>>>>>> it does one, but not the other, I'll have to decide.
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>>>>>> It won't surprise me if it doesn't do one or the other.
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>>>>> Me neither, and when so many of its competitive products do
>>>>> both, AND allow the device to be used just like any other drive...
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>>>>>> Rarely do I buy a technology product (or even a computer application) that will
>>>>>> do everything I would put in it had I designed it. I suspect we're all that way
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>>>>> Pity that the functionality she wants is there in the competitive
>>>>> products. With a real keyboard too, which is much better for email.
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>>>>> AND the competitive products allow you to add 3rd party
>>>>> apps to do what the product itself doesnt come with too.
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>>>>> Yes, many of the stupids dont enhance their device with 3rd party
>>>>> apps, but anyone with a clue does when some functionality is missing.
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>>>> Name calling again.
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>>> Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh ?
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>> Not to anybody who tries to carry on an intelligent debate,
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> You clearly did just that at the top.
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>> and I haven't called you any names.
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> Liar.
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>>>> I don't get it.
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>>> Your problem.
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>> Its yours too IF you wish to go on debating with me.
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> Nope.
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>> Of course if you don't care, there's always the kill-file.
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> No one give a flying red fuck what fools like you do or do not choose to read.
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