Thurman wrote:

> "Maverick" <Sun@ranch.org> wrote in message
> news:i4edna49ke_6z7janZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@bresnan.com. ..
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>>Oxford wrote:
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>>>Maverick <Sun@ranch.org> wrote:
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>>>>>but the machine in 1974 wasn't considered a personal computer. and was
>>>>>sold as a "kit", not a compete machine in a box like apple was first to
>>>>>do.
>>>>
>>>>Wrong again. The Sol-20 was the first complete integrated micro. Check
>>>>your history. It was sold as both kit and built.
>>>
>>>
>>>too bad it never sold more than a handful. come on Maverick, step it up a
>>>notch, you need to at least try.
>>
>>You don't even know who processor tech was then. They were the first...
>>but overpriced and not that reliable. Bad management there. But they were
>>the first integrated unit... and if you look closely, the Apple II was
>>essentially a knock-off of the Sol. The Sol at least had a full keyboard.
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> Debating w Oxford is like trying to explain calculus to a duck.
>

It is difficult to herd ducks. :-))