"" wrote:
> Captin wrote:
> > "kony" wrote:
> > >On 2 Sep 2005 01:40:19 -0400, Captin
> > ><DoNotEmail@HardwareForumz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> You said what I was thinking about data recovery issues.
> It's no
> > >>time to play around if a persons not capable basicly.The
> beauty of
> > >>forums is no matter how weird the challenge, theres
> usually
> > >someone
> > >>that can say
> > >>"I've been there and done that and this is how I did it"
> > >
> > >That would be oversimplified, not the ideal it seems on the
> > >surface because "usually" when there is a data recovery
> > >need, all that can be determined beforehand is that the
> data
> > >isn't accessible in the normal way it used to be, but WHY
> it
> > >isn't, can vary, and so can the necessary steps to regain
> > >that access.
> > >
> > >Different problems can have the same result, and using a
> > >tool to combat the result instead of the problem isn't
> > >always effective. If someone wrote that they deleted a
> file
> > >or was infected by a certain virus, it might be clearer
> what
> > >needs to be done. If they wrote that the drive simply
> > >doesn't work right and they need the data, the time and
> > >tools to do it will be a fair expense regardless of whether
> > >that data is recoverable or not. Most often in this groups
> > >we get posts about drives failing, not some user mistake,
> > >and there is no data recovery software alone that makes a
> > >damaged drive whole again.
> > How much data recovery did you say you have done
> exactly?(JOKIN)
> > I'd like to step back to what many refer too as "general
> hard drive
> > failure"
> >
> > There are two sub categories if you like for general hard
> drive
> > failure ..
> >
> > One is either no power or the short circuiting of power.
> > Call me slow but I usually check this out first because
> without it
> > even my brother who is a software junky is going nowhere if
> the drive
> > is installed inside a PC without it.I would say that almost
> 50% of
> > general failures belong here and the easy answer is to
> replace the
> > controller board even if it is tempory to regain your data.
> > It was posted that it is "Monkeys Work" to replace a board
> and I
> > couldn't have said it better myself and don't see why people
> would
> > suggest we need to pay $50 an hour to have that done if the
> average
> > Joe can jump on a forum, get a few tips which make it easy
> for him.
> > Maybe I will start a thread about controller boards?
> >
> > --
>
> Even with monkey work, the monkey still needs to be trained.
> If you're
> willing to spend the time, then I think it'd be great if you
> put some
> of that knowledge online. Usenet isn't a good medium for that
> though.
> Usenet is a good medium for debate, and usenet (at least when
> accessed
> from the google archive) has no graphics or changes of font
> sizes.
>
> Best way is a either a webpage, 'cos you can put graphics in
> there. Or
> a Word Document - graphics can go there too.
> Even if ther's no web or ftp server available to host the
> file, - and
> you dont' have a computer free to use as a web or ftp server .
> (if you
> have a comp free then it's very quick to set up) Then you can
> start by
> just emailing the file to ppl in the newsgroup that are
> interested.
> I'm sure somebody'll host it. There's a gap of knowledge that
> needs or
> would like to be filled.
>
> There are lots of sites that explain how to change a Hard
> drive. But no
> sites I know of that tell you how to change the board of a
> faulty HDD.
> (Even just for fun, with a high risk of breaking the drive!)
> I had
> heard that if a smoke particle gets between the
> 'needle'(head?) and a
> round thing(platter?) then it can cause damage.
> So if the data was important, i'd be wary of even opening it
> up. But
> it'd be fun experimenting at least, i'd start with low
> capacity drive
> whose data isn't important.
>
> I'm sure a lot of techies would enjoy that. Remmeber. It may
> be
> monkey work. But the monkey gotta be trained!!!
>
> It'd be interesting to nkow where you learnt your skill
> (changing
> boards within a HDD). #cos an EE or even an ECE degree is 3
> years! ANd
> to be an electrician requires quite a bit of training too.
>
> I call changing drives monkey work because of the form of
> diagnosis,
> the logic of troubleshooting is monkey logic. Swapping things
> in and
> out. In a conversation with an electrician, he said
> that they
> don't diagnose boards for hours anymore with tools, finding
> faulty
> capacitors. They change the board, he said it was monkey work.
> I saw a
> parallel. He agreed.

First of all I would like to say I don’t mind abit of "Tongue in
cheek"
> >> You said what I was thinking about data recovery issues. It’s no
> >>time to play around if a persons not capable basicly.The beauty of
> >>forums is no matter how weird the challenge, theres usually
> >someone
> >>that can say
> >>"I’ve been there and done that and this is how I did it"
> >
> >That would be oversimplified, not the ideal it seems on the
> >surface because "usually" when there is a data recovery
> >need, all that can be determined beforehand is that the data
> >isn’t accessible in the normal way it used to be, but WHY it
> >isn’t, can vary, and so can the necessary steps to regain
> >that access.
Most people are capable to determine whether a hard drive is
receiving power or not.If you don’t know yourself why don’t you ask
people rather than state how much training is needed to work it out?
There are some very basic steps. Hey even without a multimeter
> >Different problems can have the same result, and using a
> >tool to combat the result instead of the problem isn’t
> >always effective. If someone wrote that they deleted a file
> >or was infected by a certain virus, it might be clearer what
> >needs to be done. If they wrote that the drive simply
> >doesn’t work right and they need the data, the time and
> >tools to do it will be a fair expense regardless of whether
> >that data is recoverable or not. Most often in this groups
> >we get posts about drives failing, not some user mistake,
> >and there is no data recovery software alone that makes a
> >damaged drive whole again.
I expect some help from Kony and yourself when I come crying about
software. That’s clear up a few things and have a look at whats at
risk replacing a controller board.
1: If I attempt to exchange a controller board will I lose what data
is on the drive anyway?
Answer: No
2: If I exchange a controller board even though I am not 100% certain
it is in fact the problem will it create any other problems?
Answer: No infact even Pro’s try the easy way first and if the
symptoms
could be caused for several reasons then it is not silly if you can
rule some of the possibilities out you are one step closer.
3: Is it expensive to replace a controller board?
Answer: That will depend on the person.
At worst you will pay the price for a new drive as a donor usually for
a tempory loan of it’s controller board.
4: Can I be electrocuted doing this?
Answer: You would be the first one.Please give me your full name and
address so we can make a cartoon character out of you if it happens.
5: If it is as easy as you make out why don’t more people seem
familiar with it?
Answer:
Broadly speaking drives are reasonably reliable.
If the data is important most people have a backup anyway.
New drives are so cheap etc etc
> How much data recovery did you say you have done exactly?(JOKIN)
> I’d like to step back to what many refer too as "general hard drive
> failure"
>
> There are two sub categories if you like for general hard drive
> failure ..
>
> One is either no power or the short circuiting of power.
> Call me slow but I usually check this out first because without it
> even my brother who is a software junky is going nowhere if the
drive
> is installed inside a PC without it.I would say that almost 50% of
> general failures belong here and the easy answer is to replace the
> controller board even if it is tempory to regain your data.
> It was posted that it is "Monkeys Work" to replace a board and I
> couldn’t have said it better myself and don’t see why people would
> suggest we need to pay $50 an hour to have that done if the average
> Joe can jump on a forum, get a few tips which make it easy for him.
> Maybe I will start a thread about controller boards?
>
> --

Even with monkey work, the monkey still needs to be trained. If
you’re
willing to spend the time, then I think it’d be great if you put some
of that knowledge online. Usenet isn’t a good medium for that though.
Usenet is a good medium for debate, and usenet (at least when accessed
from the google archive) has no graphics or changes of font sizes.

I just hope you are as smart as my 15 year old nephew. I managed to
run through it with him over the phone while it was happening. I know
software people can still be dumb in some ways but I don’t believe you
are dumb


Best way is a either a webpage, ’cos you can put graphics in there.
Or
a Word Document - graphics can go there too.
Even if ther’s no web or ftp server available to host the file, - and
you dont’ have a computer free to use as a web or ftp server . (if you
have a comp free then it’s very quick to set up) Then you can start
by
just emailing the file to ppl in the newsgroup that are interested.
I’m sure somebody’ll host it. There’s a gap of knowledge that needs or
would like to be filled.

There are lots of sites that explain how to change a Hard drive. But
no
sites I know of that tell you how to change the board of a faulty HDD.
(Even just for fun, with a high risk of breaking the drive!) I had
heard that if a smoke particle gets between the ’needle’(head?) and a
round thing(platter?) then it can cause damage.
So if the data was important, i’d be wary of even opening it up. But
it’d be fun experimenting at least, i’d start with low capacity drive
whose data isn’t important.

I’m sure a lot of techies would enjoy that. Remmeber. It may be
monkey work. But the monkey gotta be trained!!!

It’d be interesting to nkow where you learnt your skill (changing
boards within a HDD). #cos an EE or even an ECE degree is 3 years!
ANd
to be an electrician requires quite a bit of training too.

I call changing drives monkey work because of the form of diagnosis,
the logic of troubleshooting is monkey logic. Swapping things in and
out. In a conversation with an electrician, he said that they
don’t diagnose boards for hours anymore with tools, finding faulty
capacitors. They change the board, he said it was monkey work. I saw a
parallel. He agreed.

later

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