Wes Newell wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 03:25:29 -0500, David Maynard wrote:
>
>
>>Wes Newell wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:58:17 -0500, David Maynard wrote:
>>>
>>>>Wes Newell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 05:49:42 -0700, neworder7 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>So does this mean i should be getting a 500w PSU or is a 400watt PSU
>>>>>>fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>You should be getting the largest you can afford. And you can get 600W for
>>>>>under $20, 550W for under $15, and 500W for about $12.
>>>>
>>>>And at those prices not a one of them will actually put out the stated watts.
>>>
>>>And neither will some name brand models that cost 5 times more,
>>
>>Just because you made it up doesn't make it so.
>>
>
> Sorry, unlike others, I only dissimnate facts.

You haven't disseminated a 'fact' yet.

> If you care to look it up.
> There's reviews on either tomshardware or anandtech that I took this
> info from. It shows that many name brand units wouldn't put up the max
> output, with some even blowing up. So go look it up.

You're the one making the claim. YOU look it up.

>
>
>>>so what's
>>>your point?
>>
>>The point was clear as a bell. The supposed 'watts' on the el-cheapos
>>isn't what they'll do.
>>
>
> Some will, some won't. Just like name brands. It's really doesn't matter.

Utter nonsense.


>>>Hmmm.... I need 400W, so I buy a 400Antec that will put out
>>>400W for say $50,
>>
>>In other words, it does what it says.
>>
>
> I don't know if it will or won't.

The premise you posed was that it did. Now you don't know your own premise?

> For this I just assumed it will.

You make 'assumptions' all over the place, mostly incorrect ones.

> Are
> yo7u doubting Antec?:-)

You're the one who brought up Antec. It's your problem.

>>>or I buy a 600W for $18 that will only put out 550W.
>>
>>Dream on. Not even close.
>>
>
> More guesswork I see.

Nope. Comes from looking at a ton of them and replacing a ton of failed
ones suckers bought.

Some of them will even tell you they're lying, after you've bought it and
look at the sticker inside to discover the '600 Watts' emblazoned across
the package front is really an undefined and meaningless "peak watts."

>>>Now which is the best deal?
>>
>>The one that does what it says because then you know what it does.
>>
>
> You sound like a 2 year old.

Since you had so much trouble understanding it I put in a simple manner you
could grasp.

>>Aint no savings at all if you have to buy a UPS just to keep your
>>el-cheap PSU running.
>>
>
> I don't care if you have the cheapest PSU made or a $200 PC Power &
> cooling PSU, running the system without a UPS is just plain stupid unless
> you don't care about your system

More nonsense.


>>>That's muxh more important than a name brand PSU.
>>
>>Hogwash
>
>
> It's not hogwash when you're doing a critical task and power fails and you
> loose the data and maybe a few hundred hours work.

Yes, claiming a UPS is more important than the PSU is hogwash and, in case
you hadn't noticed, a UPS won't keep a system up if the PSU craters nor
will it turn an el-cheapo '550 watt' PSU only capable of 350-400 Watts,
knock on wood, into a 550 Watt PSU like the lying sticker said it was.


>>>My cheap 600W that some name brand zealots predicted would be dead
>>>within a year is now into the 18th month of 24/7 operation Both my
>>>cheap PSU's for my K7 systems are still going after 5 years, and the
>>>really cheap 400W in my current backup K7 system is still going after
>>>about 3 years. if you want bragging rights, buy a name brand.
>>
>>Lucky you. Others aren't so lucky. Buy crap and gamble.
>>
>
> Luck has nothing to do with it.

More nonsense.


>>Not to mention I have a natural aversion to liars just on general
>>principle, even if nothing else, and that includes folks who advertise
>>B.S. Watts to sucker fools into buying them.
>
>
> Well, at one point in time that would include almost all (if not all) name
> brand PSU makers. Look up the reviews and you will see this.
>
> Here's the most current, with 6 out of 19 name brand PSU's failing the
> test.
> http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20...sstest-28.html
>
> So who's really dishing out BS?:-)

You are and taking that review to make the claim el-cheapos and 'name
brands' are 'the same' and it "doesn't matter" is a good example of it.

In the first place, I never said all, or any particular, 'brand' and every
model they make was perfect. Second, you're taking a test where any anomaly
whatsoever results in a 'fail' and then claiming missing a spec by a small
amount under the most dire conditions is 'the same' as not coming even
close under any conditions, as with the 15 buck el-cheapos.

Case in point, taken at random, the $130 Hiper Type R580 passed every test
relative to the specification except the 12 volt being 12.32 vs a maximum
of 12.3. So it failed by being off .16% and you then claim this is 'the
same' as a supposed "550 watt" el-cheapo only managing 350-400 watts at God
only knows what voltages. *That* is "B.S."

And I'm being generous in the comparison because the el-cheapo's 'failure'
is likely to be a complete self destruct rather that some minuscule voltage
error on the 12 volt rail where it has negligible effect.

Not to mention that all the classic 'brands' one might consider a 'brand
name' PSU PASSED under full 'box label' load.