David W Studeman <eat_your_own_spam@hormel.com> wrote in
news:4793efbc$0$3570$815e3792@news.qwest.net:

> Kurt wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns9A1DDFA56CE5Anoonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
>> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:labolide-61C4BC.18420006012008 @news.giganews.com:
>>>
>>> > Had to remark on your sig. Here in L.A., big problem with
>>> > catalytic converter theft because of high price of Rhodium -
>>> > article in LA TImes says while many cut them off, pros can use
>>> > 14mm socket wrenches and remove one in 90 seconds. Trucks are
>>> > easier targets because higher clearance.
>>> > Theft-proofing requires spot welding CCs as deterrence.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> I fully suspect to find the cars in the neighborhood stripped of
>>> R-134c refridgerant, catalytic converters, and other valuable
>>> pieces, while the carcass of the car remains in place, quite soon.
>>> They won't be stealing the car as noone can afford to drive it at
>>> $US10/gallon or more.
>>>
>> Sad to say, but the only way US drivers will change to small
>> efficient vehicles is with high gas prices.
>>
>
> And the sudden suicidal desire to be squashed like a grape if one gets
> hit. Econo-coffins are not the answer, alternative fuels are and no,
> not E85. I prefer Methanol to Ethanol as Methanol has nearly the same
> calories per cubic foot as gasoline, Ethanol doesn't so more is needed
> to get the same power. Methanol is easier to make as it is only a
> modified methane molecule, maybe future sewers will help produce
> Methanol? Take a huge dump and fill 'er up? I see corn subsidies as a
> big factor in the push for E85. Still, I'm a big fan of hydrogen but
> it's not the most practical and economical. Is having a nuclear
> powered vehicle out of the question?
>
>
> Dave
>

I'm green, here. 2 diesel Mercedes cars and a diesel GM stepvan all run
on used vegetable oil from 3 Chinese restaurants. 3 of us vegoil guys
have a little group. One has a warehouse for storage and separation, I
have the van for pickup and delivery to the warehouse and the third guy
is an excellent mechanic who built and maintains the final filtering
facility. We all have Frybrid vehicles (www.frybrid.com) but that's
only my stepvan which was a total waste of money in the Southern
climate. It rarely freezes here, so heating the oil before injection is
hardly necessary. My two cars are unmodified and run on a blend of
mineral spirits (paint thinner), which is dirt cheap from commercial
places, and filtered vegoil. There is no sulphur emissions dino has.
There is no smoke, either. The blend costs me about 23c/gallon to make,
plus my time, of course.

We collect the oil from the restaurants already primary filtered. We
bought each restaurant a filter funnel they use to pour the oil back
into the plastic-lined boxes the oil comes to them in. We dispose of
not only the oil but the box for them, saving them more money. They
really appreciate me carrying off their waste that was costing them
hundreds/month to dispose of.

The oil is simply left to separate from its food particles in the
warehouse for about 60 days, not moved at all. The oldest stored boxes
are pipetted about 3" off the bottom by the pump-powered filter system
consisting of two big truck fuel filters/water separators and a gear
pump from a hydraulic system. Suction guages warn us when filters need
changing. We've never found any water in the separators as the oil was
450F and boils it off during the cooking. The cleaned oil is pumped
into 55 gallon plastic drums, ready for use. Two drums are marked for
my blending, about a quart of mineral spirits to 20 gallons of oil (in
summer) and 12 gallons of oil (in winter when it's near freezing some
mornings). These drums have a home-made agitator in them for mixing and
are agitated just before I pump them into the cars. The other guys all
have Frybrids so run pure oil, after the oil is warmed by the Frybrid
before its computer switches from fuel oil to vegoil.

Unlike alcohol, explosive gasses like propane/hydrogen/etc., even
explosive spirits like gasoline or gasohol, vegoil, even more than
diesel fuel, has no vapors and is SAFE to handle, store and burn at high
pressure in the diesel engines.

Vegoil isn't as powerful as fuel oil, but who cares as long as it's
free...(c;

The whole energy industry can kiss our collective asses.....

I guess we better get back to fighting over SELLphones....(c;