On Jan 31, 8:16*pm, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:32:36 -0800 (PST),
> "jameshanle...@yahoo.co.uk" <jameshanle...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >And most of these things sold as Routers, also have an
> >RJ11(telephone socket), because they have a modem built in.
>
> ??? *Maybe on your side of the pond, but generally routers
> don't have modems built in except for a few models targeted
> at sales to ISPs(' customers). *If you take a look somewhere
> like newegg.com, it's probably 9 out of 10 that don't have a
> modem built in (as a rough guess, I haven't actually taken a
> survey).

I am not completely sure on this, but

ADSL users, almost always have router with modem built in. From what I
have seen anyway. I guess it is an ISP preference.
There are hardly any small ADSL modems. (relying on 2 of those
blasted things is worse, since if one goes down , temporarily or
permanently, then the connection is down. You know how they can
restart or overheat or both).

I did once have 2 linksys things, one a router/modem with a few RJ45
LAN ports. I just used that as a modem.
Another a router without modem in it- it had an RJ45 port labelled WAN
instead, for connection to a modem with an RJ45 port.. .
The router/modem near the wall, was doing NAT too.

Do any UK ISPs provide small ADSL modems? I would bet they prob do NAT
anyhow... So are more than just ADSL modems.

I have seen USB Speedtouch ADSL modems, And they are just what I have
heard some call a "half bridge". And they do not connect either. The
connection is done by software on the computer.
If it is indeed a "half bridge", then is there any modem that does
not even have a bridge(switch) in it? Personally, I do not see why it
would have one in it.. What comes in one side can go out the other
side. No bridging necessary.

Cable users do have modems. separate. Modems with a cable connector,
and an RJ45 port. The RJ45 port going to one of those routers with a
WAN socket(to connect a modem.. Along with LAN sockets.

Given that ISPs seem not to be providing small ADSL modems, it is
cheaper to just have one unit that is / acts as router and modem. And
more reliable too.