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"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:56:45 GMT, "Steve Berry" <reachnet@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Think this is about Joe Bloggs in the street ? Nahh....
>
> It's about Joe Coffee browsing at hot spots and coffee shops. Google
> wi-fi secure access currently only works at two hot spots in the San
> Francisco Bay area. Kapp's Pizza Bar and Grill and one at Airborne
> Gymnastics. I note that you're in UK. Wait your turn.

Yeah now it is, what about in 2/3 years time ?
BTW who do you define Joe Bloggs as being ?
To me he's anyone and everyone from the lone surfer to the Corp CIO.
Who says hot spots will be limited to Coffee Shops ?
Google could (theoretically) set em' up wherever they God Damn please.
In theory what's to stop them scaling up "hot-spots" to "large-scale hot
spots" - then they can target companies/employees using wireless networks.
What's to stop them ? - not a lot assuming they've got the financial
resources to do so.

>
>>Methinks what Google are trying to do is offer a facility to the Corps to
>>allow their wireless workers to Net connect encrypted. Mass-market data
>>collection exercise.
>
> Amazing. Could you explain how they might do that with a local VPN
> client and server at a remote hot spot? I haven't seen the server end
> but methinks it would be difficult without a rather elaborate data
> collector at the hot spot end.

Gimme' a break. Do you doubt Google could currently afford that if they
wished ?
Just because they haven't implemented it yet doesn't mean to say they're not
giving themselves
the means to do so. This is about nothing more than creating a "catch-net".
No doubt MS will follow-suit. Thanks but if I want my wireless data
encrypted I'll choose to do it through the company I'm employed by. How the
hell can you or anyone else know what Google will do (or be asked to do)
with that data ? Sure offer the service if you wish, just don't expect
everyone to jump on it.

>
>>1-How long will it be before they start charging for it (assuming it's
>>succesful enough) ??
>
> The client will probably remain free. The server will probably either
> cost money, or throw advertising in your face to pay the bills. I'm
> guessing, but I would like to point out that almost all of the beta
> stuff offered by Google on the client side has been free and remains
> free.

Missing the point. Whether it's free or not now isn't the point.
At some point in the future if this is a success, someone within Google will
be sitting there saying
"Hmm.. Over a X year period, we've had X amount of people using that
service, and we've got all this lovely data". Why don't we charge em' for it
? Even that is secondary to the fact that as an individual, you're
reliqushing control to a Corp. Thanks but no thanks. What they're trying to
do is no better than what MS have done over the years. All about control and
very little else. Kinda' boring actually.

>
>>2-How long will it be before the FBI/US Govt want to have access to any
>>encypted transmitted data.
>
> They already have access. The traffic between the client and the
> wi-fi hot spot will be encrypted by the VPN. The traffic between the
> hot spot and the ISP is not and could be sniffed by law enforcement
> agencies.

Or anyone else ???

>
>>3-Why the hell should I give Google access to my Net traffic just so they
>>can do stats monitoring etc... ?
>
> Why not? If you're doing porno downloads or spamming at a wireless
> hot spot, I'm sure it might induce you to clean up your act.

That's funny. Mr Porn merchant wants his daily dose of porn and the only way
to get it is a daily trip down to Starbucks !! Can just imagine the trail of
Net Users with holes cut in their newspapers so no-one will recognise em' !
If I were that type do you think I'd actually be worried about what data I'm
downloading anyway ?

>
>>Call this innovation ? More like a Corp control exercise. Screw em'...
>
> I don't think so, but you're entitled to your paranoia. Methinks you
> might be over-reacting.

Hmm..don't think so. Just the same old story - companies wanting control of
infrastructure/data paths (& associated data).
That said, some will probably find it useful, but I'll be giving it a
permanent body-swerve.

Rgds, S

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