Horry <horacewachope@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Horry <horacewachope@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Horry <horacewachope@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Fred <bluser@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Snapper <snapper1@y7mail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Michael wrote

>>>>>>>>> Because telstra are reliable, and ebay is mainly rubbish.

>>>>>> Its trivial for anyone with a clue to sort out the rubbish from what isnt with ebay.

>>>>>>>> What proof of this do you have that supports this assertion?

>>>>>>>>> would you buy a phone from someone at a pub too?

>>>>>>>> Dunno what this has to do with it. I'm talking about legitimate sellers
>>>>>>>> who sell Telstra branded products, not some druggie looking to flog
>>>>>>>> a stolen phone, sans charger, manual, disk, cable, etc..

>>>>>>>>> No one is silly enough to buy phones outright from telstra

>>>>>>>> Why?

>>>>>>>> That is, why is it silly to buy outright?

>>>>>>> Maybe he is saying that buying outright from Telstra
>>>>>>> is silly when you can purchase cheaper elsewhere.

>>>>>> He appears to be saying in that bit that its better value to get it on
>>>>>> a plan and pay it off over time than to buy it outright from telstra.

>>>>>> Thats generally true, but not always.

>>>>>>> Telstra may offer better value by purchasing on a plan. Dunno.

>>>>>>> BTW I have been looking at getting a Nokia N95 but am a little
>>>>>>> unsure about the different models and pricing available.

>>>>>> Yeah, it is one downside with the N95.

>>>>>>> As an example this site lists various models at different prices
>>>>>>> http://www.exeltek.com.au/secure/cat...+N95+&x=9&y=10

>>>>>>> I am wondering if the 8GB version is worth the extra money.
>>>>>>> Any thoughts?

>>>>>> I believe it is myself and chose to buy one. From an ebay sight.
>>>>>> Bought one with an Aust warranty from a seller thats a normal
>>>>>> Aust retailler with lots of good feedback and saved heaps.

>>>>> What ARE the differences between the N95 8GB and the N95?

>>>> Its physically different and looks better with the 8GB.

>>>> No card slot.

>> And no NextG currently.

>>>>> Obviously one has 8GB of internal memory and the other doesn't...

>>>> You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist fellas ?

>>>>> and the casing is different (though the dimensions are precisely
>>>>> the same) and the 8GB version's screen is 0.2" larger.

>>>>> Is that it?

>>>> No card slot on the 8GB.

>>>>> Surely there must be more to the 8GB model than just the
>>>>> extra memory and an almost imperceptibly larger screen?

>>>> It looks completely different, the silver front is gone, the 8GB is black on the front.

>>> But the 8GB is considerably more expensive.

>> Yep, largely because the 8GB is relatively new.

>>> For example, the N95 is available on 3's $29 cap for 24
>>> months with an $18 per month repayment. The N95 8GB
>>> is available on the $29 cap with a $38 per month repayment.

>> I hardly ever buy phones that way.

> It makes sense for me, because I'm perfectly happy with 3 and
> intend to stay with them for at least the next 24 months even
> without a contract (mainly because of my extensive use of HSDPA
> broadband - by all accounts Voda, Optus and Virgin's offerings
> aren't nearly as good in terms of speed, reliability).

Its got some real downsides tho on the price you pay for some
phones and the fact that what they have available is quite limited.

> In any case, the payout figure on a $29 cap is only $20 x no.
> of remaining months + remaining handset instalments.

> 3 does seem to be charging too much for the
> 8GB model versus the standard N95, though.

Yeah, grossly over priced.

>>> Over the terms of the contracts, that's a $480 difference in price.

>> Its nothing like that much difference outright say from ebay from a decent seller
>> with lots of feedback for an Aust model with full local warranty with Nokia.

> The handset I really want is the E51, but it's "Telstra Exclusive"
> in Australia, and I can't find any (new) Aust. models on Ebay.

Thats unlikely to be true forever tho.

> Plus, because I'd be using it on 3's network, I'd prefer to avoid
> NextG firmware. (I suppose I could always flash it with generic
> Nokia firmware, but there have been some reports of people bricking
> theirs when they try to do it.)

> I've found a HK dealer (with plenty of positive feedback, and
> Australian bank accounts), selling new E51s for $291. That's dirt
> cheap, and I suppose at that price it would be worth the risk of it
> failing within the first 12 months and running into warranty problems.

Yeah, thats the main reason I didnt do that with the N95 since its so much more expensive.

> My other alternative is to wait until the HSDPA Blackberry is released later this year.

My punt is that the E51 should be available on ebay by then with the aust version.

>>> $480 for 8GB of memory, and a black case (and no card slot), seems a bit much.

>> Yeah, I wouldnt have paid that much extra for it myself.

>> It took me a while to decide to pay what is more than the decent low
>> end laptops cost for a phone, but eventually decided that I would use
>> it out of the house a lot more than a laptop because of the vastly better
>> portability which means that I take it out every single time I go out of the
>> house for any reason at all, even just for some exercise, and since I'm
>> rolling in it anyway, stupid to not have that convenience.

> I'd be perfectly happy with the 6120, were it not for
> the fact it doesn't come with an inbuilt VOIP client.

No wifi would be a big killer for me.

No GPS is less than ideal too.

> The only thing I regularly use on my handset (other than voice +
> data) is the calendar. And I've only recently started using the
> Nokia calendar after discovering an app to sync it over the net
> with Google Calendar (I don't use Outlook).

I've used outlook for years now and use it for everything calenda wise.

Thats one thing I dont use much at all in the mobile handset.

> I don't really use GPS (almost impossible to get lost in Adelaide

I dont use it for lost so much as being much more convenient when you want
to go to some place you havent been to before, takes you right to the door.

Very convenient for garage sales etc.

> and if worst ever came to worst, I've got the Google Maps app installed on my handset).

Its better than GPS in some ways once you are at the destination because
its more up to date and show individual house blocks etc even in my town.

Nowhere near as good as a tomtom when driving around and the only person in the car tho.

> I suppose I could use the 8GB for music,

I dont use music or radio at all, ever, unless say nuke attack is imminent etc.

> but suspect I'd lose interest in using it as an MP3 player after the novelty wore off.

Yeah, I havent even bothered to try it in my new car.

> In any case, I could just grab a MicroSD card if I ever found I needed extra memory.

Sure.

I do record almost all TV I watch, so I may well watch stuff like
that on the N95 say when waiting down the doctor's surgery etc,
but currently the wait is always only minutes so I dont bother.

Even 8GB isnt that great for that sort of thing, SD is 2-3GB per channel per hour so
even a short stay in hospital etc wouldnt be feasible. But I'd use the laptop then anyway.