While dumping the
alt.cellular.verizon,alt.cellular.sprintpcs,alt.ce llular.cingular,alt.cellular.t-mobile,alt.cellular.attws
bit bucket, I heard Gordon Burditt say:

>>Please do not forget who the original poster was and his questions: He
>>asked:
>>"can I display my own LAT/LON values somehow without a map application ?"
>
> For some cell phone implementation of "GPS" (this one doesn't involve
> actual satellites talking to your phone), your position coordinates
> are present at the cell towers and somewhere in the offices of Big
> Brother, but not on your cell phone. If a map application can get
> your position at all, it has to ask your cell provider to send it,
> and that may cost money.
>
>>The answer to that is "yes" and it is proven by the amount of freeware
>>available for PPC/phones that turn GPS data into lat/long.
>
> Some phones (and PDAs) have a real GPS that listens to satellites
> built in. I suspect that includes a Nextel phone I was testing a
> few years ago: it never managed to talk to the satellites because
> of one of (a) office building roof, (b) parking garage roof, or (c)
> car roof was in the way most of the time, and the coordinates didn't
> update for several days. That phone permitted me to display the
> coordinates on the screen, along with some info about how many
> satellites were visible. This seems to be what the OP is looking
> for. I doubt that particular phone model is still sold, but
> user-visible GPS is still likely available on some phones.
>
> On my current phone (Motorola RAZR V3 with T-Mobile), I don't think
> the feature is available. This phone doesn't have a lot of memory
> for apps or maps, either (about 3 meg).
[...]

My Sprint RAZR V3m does have the full GPS via satellite capability that
the earlier V3 models were lacking. It works perfectly with the free
"Mobile GMaps" utility...

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Dutch