On 13 apr, 02:22, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> HDI wrote:
> > On 10 apr, 23:19, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> >> HDI wrote:
> >>> On 10 apr, 15:50, "GT" <ContactGT_remove...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> "HDI" <hd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:b12b08c6-5475-4f0a-98f1-fc02eb200ff1@e67g2000hsa.googlegroups.com....
> >>>> On 9 apr, 00:33, Paul <nos...@needed.com> wrote:
> >>>> [snip]
> >>>> I visited the local shop site and the only matrox G550 I found was an
> >>>> 'Matrox Millenium G550 - 32 MB - PCI Low Profile - 2 x
> >>>> VGA' (manufacturer code: g55mddap32dbf), so no AGP. There are also
> >>>> PCIe but I haven't got such a slot.
> >>>> Should I look further for an AGP or does both of them have the same
> >>>> performance and is the slot the only difference?
> >>>> Maybe I'm wrong but I thought AGP is better than PCI.
> >>>> A second question. Can I put any PCI card in a pci slot or are there
> >>>> also differences like AGP.
> >>>> ===========
> >>>> The 'same' card in AGP or PCIe will have the same, or at least very very
> >>>> close performance.
> >>>> Not sure quite what you are asking in the second question...
> >>>> I suspect you might be confusing PCI with PCIe. PCI is the normal slot used
> >>>> for add-in cards in the PC. There are usually 3-5 PCI slots on a
> >>>> motherboard. The PCIe is the new graphics card slot - replacement of AGP. A
> >>>> PCI card will not fit in a PCIe slot. A PCIe card will not fit in a PCI
> >>>> slot. As a last resort - look on Wikipedia for a short explanation ofthem
> >>>> all.
> >>> OK thanks I'll look on Wikipedia.
> >>>> The 'same' card in AGP or PCIe will have the same, or at least very very
> >>>> close performance.
> >>> The card I found was an 'Matrox Millenium G550 - 32 MB - PCI Low
> >>> Profile - 2 x VGA' (manufacturer code: g55mddap32dbf). It's a PCI not
> >>> a PCIe.
> >>> I haven't got a PCIe slot.
> >>> Is the PCI card also the same and has it the also the same
> >>> performance?
> >> PCI slots have lower performance than AGP. The difference is most apparent in
> >> games (games with a lot of bus traffic). If you are updating a lot of 2D pixmaps
> >> on the screen in real time (like a movie), the PCI bus may also feel the strain
> >> a bit. You could also have other traffic competing for the PCI bus, like say
> >> some PCI IDE card with disk traffic on the bus.
>
> >> AGP8X = 2132MB/sec. AGP4X = 1066MB/sec. AGP2X = 533MB/sec. AGP1X = 266MB/sec
>
> >> PCI (ordinary desktop bus) = 133MB/sec
>
> >> PCI Express x16 (newest video slot standard) = 4000MB/sec on TX and on RX
>
> >> The Matrox Millenium G550 PCI low profile, when plugged into a desktop PCI
> >> slot, will be limited to the 133MB/sec figure. By using burst transfer,
> >> you might see a practical transfer rate of 110MB/sec or maybe a bit more.
>
> >>http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/cr.../g550lppci.php
>
> >> Note that particular card has a low profile faceplate, so the tab won't
> >> align with a regular computer case PCI screw hole. That particular card
> >> is designed for a smaller computer case. Some low profile cards will come
> >> with two faceplates, a regular height one and a low profile one, so you
> >> can fit the low profile card into any desktop computer. (You install a
> >> faceplate, according to the slot height.)
>
> >> AGP cards are still available, some with dual heads. For example, this
> >> one has a 1.5V only AGP slot pattern on the edge. You should check your
> >> motherboard documentation, to see what AGP voltages your motherboard
> >> supports. I suspect you have plenty of choices available to you,
> >> since you mentioned P4.
>
> >>http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...161-210-05.jpg
>
> >> This site has some info.
>
> >>http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/agp.html
>
> >> If you post back the name of the motherboard, I can help suggest what
> >> kind of AGP cards would work. Or you can use the Playtool page and figure
> >> it out.
>
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> > I've got a Compaq Evo D310, Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz, 512 MB
> > Baseboard: Compaq 0804h.
>
> > I need a dual monitor just for administration, not for games.
>
> According to this page, the chipset is 845G for the D310.
>
> http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/q.../11348_na.HTML
>
> You can use CPUZ program, to verify the chipset description.
>
> http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.phphttp://...zip**(download)
>
> According to the playtool.com web page, 845 is "AGP 1.5V Motherboard".
>
> On page 6 here, there is a picture of the motherboard in the computer.
> The brown slot, next to the three PCI slots, is the AGP slot. It will
> have a key inserted in the slot, to only allow 1.5V compatible cards to
> be added. Either a "universal" card, with two slots cut, would work, or
> a card with the 1.5V only (a modern card), would also fit.
>
> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/su.../c00658831/c00...
>
> *From the playtool table "Practical Motherboard And Card Compatibility"
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * AGP 3.3V * *AGP 1.5V * * * Universal AGP *Universal 1.5V *Universal AGP 3.0
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * Card * * * *Card * * * * * *Card * * * * AGP 3.0 Card * * *Card
>
> AGP 1.5V Motherboard * Won't fit * Works at 1.5V *Works at 1.5V *Works at 1.5V * Works at 1.5V
> * * * * * * * * * * * * in slot
>
> Many cards should fit in the brown AGP slot. The card on the left in the following
> picture, is a 1.5V only card, and it would match the key in the AGP slot exactly.
> The card on the right is "universal" and will also fit and work fine (I use an FX5200 AGP
> with a connector like that, and it even works with my old 440BX motherboard).
> Only the card in the center of this picture, is inappropriate for the 845G,
> and will not physically fit in the brown AGP slot.
>
> http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcom...ltageslots.jpg
>
> This is an example of a card. A Geforce 6200. It has a "universal" connector
> so will fit any AGP slot. It has one DVI connector and one VGA connector.
> You did not mention the two monitor types you want to use, whether they
> had to be digital or analog.
>
> http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...127-317-03.jpg
>
> To illustrate a second card, this is an HD 2400 Pro with two DVI-I connectors.
> You could connect two Apple 30" Cinema monitors with DVI connectors with this
> card.
>
> http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...103-046-04.jpg
>
> The 2400 Pro is a 1.5V only card, and will fit your brown AGP slot.
>
> http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...103-046-05.jpg
>
> If you wanted to use two VGA monitors with the 2400 Pro card, you can
> purchase a DVI-I to VGA adapter. The two ends of the adapter are pictured
> here. The first picture, plugs to the video card side. The second picture,
> is where the monitor cable goes for a VGA 15 pin monitor. Two operate two
> monitors of the VGA type, you'd buy two of these adapters.
>
> http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...267-001-06.jpg
>
> More information about DVI connectors, and their capabilities, is here.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvi
>
> There are many other AGP cards still around for sale. But be careful
> that -
>
> 1) The faceplate connector configuration, and adapters (DVI-I to VGA or
> * * whatever else is included), are suitable to drive your two monitors.
>
> 2) That the card is modern enough, to have the correct connector on the
> * * card - either a 1.5V only card, or a "universal" connector.
>
> 3) For very modern cards, the drivers are not available for all operating
> * * systems. For example, the HD 3850 AGP, the most recent AGP card introduced,
> * * and a powerful gaming card, only comes with a WinXP driver. There is no
> * * driver for Win2K (my operating system). If you are using Win98, then
> * * much more research will be needed, to find a card and driver that will
> * * work.
>
> You can see more AGP cards here.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...NE&N=201038004....
>
> HTH,
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Thanks for the explanation.

I tried to run cpuz but on that computer I got an windows error so I
couldn't check the chipset.

I was looking at some dual monitor cards and saw that the power supply
requirements of the card require 350Watt or more and I've got only
220W of output.
Is this too low or am I looking at the wrong ones. (I need a good
quiet one for administration)