On Thu, 08 May 2008 09:48:10 -0700, XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com>
wrote:

>The Ghost of General Lee <ghost@general.lee> wrote:
>
>>>He GAVE her the phone, he kept it when they split, she did not
>>>believe nor could she have believed the phone was stolen.
>>
>> And which point it becomes a pissing contest between ex-lovers.
>> Yeah, the cops are certainly going to believe one side's word over
>> another in that.
>
>No, he has documentation to prove he purcheased the phone. He says
>it's lost but there's always cancelled checks, credit card receipts
>or, if necessary, he can contact the original seller and get
>documentation from them.

Just because you can prove you bought it doesn't necessarily mean you
can prove you own it. I still have the receipt where I purchased an
MP3 player for my daughter, but that doesn't mean it's mine. Someone
can purchase something, keep the receipt, and sell or otherwise
transfer an item to another person. Their posession of the original
receipt isn't proof positive of their ownership. And the OP stated,
the boyfriend did not have the receipt, so even that point is moot.
But even if he did, the girlfriend would get the phone back and both
will be told it's a civil matter, that there's nothing the police can
do about it. You said it yourself above, "He GAVE her the phone."
End of story.

>>>> They actually have a better case against the OP for being in
>>>> posession of stolen property,
>>>
>>>Hogwash.
>>
>> He claimed to have posession of property that was reported stolen.
>> Do you deny that?
>
>He can prove ownership, see above.

He can't prove shit. See above.

>>>> Cops don't have the time to run around chasing bullshit crimes
>>>> without sufficient evidence a crime was actually committed.
>>>> That's the difference between theoretical law and real world
>>>> law.
>>>
>>>More hogwash, real world practicality says she would remove the
>>>stolen report when threatened with the false report charge and
>>>allow the phone to be registered. All that's needed is to contact
>>>the police, they'll do the rest.
>>
>> It's obvious you have no experience in dealing with law
>> enforcement, prosecutors, or the courts.
>
>I have a LOT of experience it that area, I was just about to say the
>same about you, you've certainly proven it.

You sure couldn't prove it by your posts in this thread. You think
the cops should automatically take someone's word for something with
no proof offered. How pathetic.

>> You're about as bad as Larry's "lawyer" tales. If she "removes"
>> the stolen property report, she walks *with* the phone. After
>> all, it was *her* phone. Verizon says so, and they have the
>> records to prove it.
>
>Wrong again, as always, he has or will have the records to prove
>purchase. Try keeping up, OK?

I guess you failed to read where the guy didn't have the receipts,
huh? And what about VZW's records showing the phone belonged to *her*
account?

>I hope the guy with the phone pays attention to someone who knows what
>he's talking about and not the "Ghost of General Ignorance."

I'm beginning to think you believe my posts here are because I think
the girlfriend did nothing wrong. Far from it. I just know what
levels of proof are needed to prove ownership or theft/filing a false
police report. They are two different levels. One is by
preponderance of the evidence, the other is beyond reasonable doubt.

I might remind you that *you* are the only one here trying to tell the
OP that the boyfriend has some legal right to have the cops use
coercion to get a cell phone transferred to him which he has no legal
right to. If he did have a right to it, the matter would have been
settled long before the OP posted here. Again, you've admitted he
GAVE it to her. Beyond that, there's nothing left to discuss.

>I'm done here. Go spout your wrong information to others.

Yeah, you're done, because you don't know your ass from a hole in the
ground. You lack basic understand of criminal law, civil torts, and
evidentiary requirements. I take it back, you are worse than Larry.
At least his half-truths sound somewhat convincing.