SMS wrote:
>
> Wait, do you think going to campgrounds at state parks is getting away
> from "civilization?" Go over to the campgrounds at New Brighton or
> Sunset some Saturday night.

I've only been to a "campground" a couple of times....
I tend to see more of the crowd.... let's go away and drink beer & yell all
night.
NOT a fun family weekend, it was horrible.

then again - the Boy Scout backpacking stuff out in the middle of nowhere is
much better -