Ivor Jones wrote:
> "davew" <daviey.walker*SPAM*virgin.net> wrote in message
> news:RsSdnWH3UdoMbqPenZ2dnUVZ8qidnZ2d@pipex.net
>
>>Ivor Jones wrote:
>>
>>>"davew" <daviey.walker*SPAM*virgin.net> wrote in message
>>>news:dZednZqnbLtgeKPeRVnyiw@pipex.net
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Oh Ivor, why be like that? I am in no way affiliated
>>>>with the producers of this book. O'Reilly's books are
>>>>well known for being the gospel of technology!
>>>>
>>>>Surely the posts on Dixon's new VOIP service is a
>>>>"blatant advert"?
>>>
>>>
>>>The difference is that the posts about that don't
>>>include a link to order the service. Your original post
>>>included the words "to order your copy...." followed by
>>>a link to the relevant site. If you'd removed that part and just
>>>included the
>>>information it would have been different. That's the
>>>difference between a recommendation and an advert.
>>>
>>>No offence meant, but the charter of this group is
>>>clear. All the best,
>>>
>>>Ivor
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Ivor, I'm sorry but i do take offence. Going by your
>>definition of the charter, why was your post below
>>acceptable?
>><Quote>
>>Re: I'm getting rid of my phone: advice needed for
>>alternative "At the risk of getting blasted by the group
>>trolls, if you want a system to try out which is free to set up and use,
>>then
>>try www.sipgate.co.uk - you get a free geographic phone
>>number for incoming calls, you can call other Sipgate
>>users and 0800 numbers free, you only need to pay if you
>>want to call ordinary public phone numbers, for this you
>>add credit like Skype or a PAYG mobile." </Quote>
>>
>>The above is clearly advertising a service - an advertless
>>recommendation wouldn't advise the OP to try it, if you'd
>>just stated that you use it and are happy with it - then
>>it would be a recommendation.
>
>
> No, because nobody is getting any direct revenue as a result - there isn't
> a charge, unless you want to use the PSTN; the system is free to try. With
> respect, your original post included the words "to order your copy...."
> which was the defining part.
>
> Anyway I don't propose to labour the point, we disagree and I doubt I will
> persuade you otherwise.
>
> Regards
>
> Ivor
>
>

Ivor,

It is unfair to make a complaint about something and then be unwilling
to 'labour the point'.

Sipgate make money from a call terminating through there service IIRC.
So advertising sipgate does earn them revenue. Which means that it
is 'Advertising'! I am not going to make any money if O'Reilly sell
more books, O'Reilly will. Same goes for Sipgate!

The quote you have made from my original post "to order your copy...."
could be extended by stateing "To order your copy or for more
information...". So if i omited the words "order your copy" then the
whole post would have been acceptable?

Considering you are the only poster which has registerd a complaint in
this matter, i will consider the un-moderated group to agree that it is
an acceptable posting. So, if i find another service/product that i
feel will interest the group i will post such. If you don't like this -
then complain to my ISP!

Regards,
Dave