Pay no attention to the troll....


Rod Speed wrote:

> Vanguard <vanguard.news@yahooNIX.com> wrote
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>><paulmd@efn.org> wrote
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>>>>>I've never been fond of wireless keyboards and mice
>>>>>because of the basic need to keep them powered.
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>>>>Completely routine when they are properly designed.
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>>>Routine if properly designed. Still annoying to change the battery when
>>>you really have better things to do. Even if it takes 10 seconds, it's
>>>simply not an issue with a wired keyboard. And 10 seconds means
>>>something in games.
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>>Exactly why I quit using wireless mice (and keyboards). The keyboard
>>rarely moves anyway so what's the point of having it wireless?
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> Mine moves a lot because I dont use it on a desktop.
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>>The only time wireless makes sense is if the system unit will be farther away
>>than the cord, but then wireless devices don't come with very long cords,
>>either.
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> Wrong again. The bluetooth devices can be used so far from
> the system that you cant even read the monitor anymore.
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>>I've yet to see one that notifies you BEFORE voltage gets too low to affect
>>behavior.
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> You need to get out more. The MX700 warns you so early that you
> can continue to use it fine all day once it starts warning of a low battery.
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> And it charges fast enough so that even a coffee break is enough
> to turn the led off, and it will fully charge over lunch too.
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>>Remember when inside a game that you won't see a tray icon that may show you
>>voltage level of the batteries
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> That particular mouse he asked about has a 4
> level battery level indicator on the mouse itself.
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>>(and I've yet to see such a tray icon
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> Again, you need to get out more. The Logitechs have that.
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>>which means you have to periodically go check using the Control Panel applet).
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> Not with that one he asked about. And its got a
> 4 level charge indicator on the mouse anyway.
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>>Also, the polling rate for wireless mices is much slower.
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> Wrong again.
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>>You might try to up the sampling rate and buffer size but that won't affect
>>the polling rate between the wireless mouse and the receiver.
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> Not a problem with a properly designed system.
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>>I've tried 7 wireless mice from IBM, Microsoft, Logitech, and a couple of the
>>low-name brands and ALL were more jerky in gameplay than a wired mouse.
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> You clearly didnt try the MX700.
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>>Some are much better than others but then most folks don't go
>>switching between them and wired mice often enough to see the small jerkiness
>>in movement that remains with wireless mice, or they play undemanding and slow
>>games.
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> You clearly havent tried a decent gaming wireless mouse.
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>>Wireless mice never have the longevity claimed by the mouse manufacturer.
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> Mine hasnt failed and its been years now.
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>>I found the Logitech are more responsive than IBM or Microsoft but that's
>>because the Logitech doesn't go to sleep as often
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> Doesnt go to sleep at all when its being used.
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>>and it also wakes up faster, and I've found Logitech to be less jerky (but
>>still jerkier than wired but tolerable and probably not noticable by lots of
>>users).
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> It isnt jerky at all with the MX700.
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>>>>>And because they're less reliable than wired keyboards,
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>>>>Pure drivel.
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>>>EVERYTHING wireless is vunelrable to inteferece and limits of range. Cell
>>>phones are less reliable than land lines, cable is more reliable than rabbit
>>>ears and sattellite. Reliability is sacrificed to portability. At a
>>>pricehike.
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>>That isn't the only problem.
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> It doesnt actually happen with a properly designed system.
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>>Wireless mice are supposed to have a working range of up to 15 feet. True and
>>not true. Some won't work if the mouse if more than 3 feet away from the
>>receiver.
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> Anyone with a clue gets one with a much better
> range than that if they need that. Bluetooth works
> so far that you cant read the monitor anymore.
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>>Be careful what you place between the receiver and mouse. Yes, RF mice don't
>>need line-of-sight but hiding the receiver on the other side of a metallic
>>system case or behind a monitor can result in poor reception.
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> Even you should be able to avoid that situation.
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>>There is also the problem of one wireless mouse affecting another.
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> Not with a properly designed system.
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>>Since working range if 15 feet, in a company setting with cublicles
>>and offices close together, one user will wonder why their mouse
>>cursor is moving without touching the mouse. It's interference from
>>another user. Hell, in one case at work, we found the culprit
>>conflicting mouse was up one floor and 50 feet over (so obviously the
>>working range happened to be pretty far). We managed to correct that
>>problem but you can't always find different channels on which to set
>>the wireless mice so they won't interfere, and most only give you 2
>>"channels". In a home environment
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> Which just happens to be the situation being discussed.
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>>with just one computer, this interference isn't a problem (unless you're in an
>>apartment near the same wall where the next tenant also has their computer and
>>wireless mouse),
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> It has to be the same system too.
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>>but then 2 channels is probably sufficient when to resync the devices to
>>eliminate the interference.
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>>For wireless mice, and because they don't last that long, now they're making
>>cradles to keep the batteries recharged (to hide the poor longevity).
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> Nope, because thats more convenient than farting around changing batterys.
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> You've likely noticed cordless phones use the same system.
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>>Some, like IBM and Microsoft, make the mouse go to sleep sooner and wake up
>>slower (than Logitech) in an attempt to increase
>>battery life. When you game a lot, the batteries deplete much faster
>>because there are no low-power use times (notice the LED will flicker
>>between high and low power modes if you have a wireless mouse with
>>translucent sides). Also, if you use a dark mouse pad or surface then
>>the batteries deplete faster, and most mouse pads are dark and so are
>>most desktop surfaces. If you use your mouse for word processing for
>>6 hours per day at work the batteries will last a lot longer than if
>>you play games for those same 6 hours.
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> The Logitechs all last more than a day even when the batterys
> have aged considerably so that is completely academic.
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>>Also remember that wireless mice weigh more than wired mice.
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> I dont care. Its weight is fine anyway.
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>>Why? Because of the weight of the batteries. If you choose to use a mouse
>>(instead of a trackball), you will invariably end up having to lift
>>the mouse over and over to reposition it on the mouse pad or desktop.
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> Even a weakling like you should be able to manage that fine.
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>>Yeah, you could up the acceleration and speed but then you loose granularity
>>and control. So how do you pick up the mouse for all that repositioning? By
>>squeezing it between your fingers (thumb and pinky usually).
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> Wrong again.
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>>Your pinky can get tired after hours and hours of mouse use, especially with a
>>heavier mouse that has to house batteries.
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> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
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>>If you can arrange that the cord is unfettered so it doesn't snag and also
>>doesn't hit anything (to eliminate torqueing on the mouse from restricted cord
>>movement), a wired mouse is much less effort to move over extended periods of
>>use.
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> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
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>>My fingers got sore from prolonged use of a wireless mouse because of the
>>extra weight.
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> Not everyone is a puny as you.
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>>I also don't go deliberately looking for keyboards that have the hardest keys
>>to press, either.
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> Not everyone is a puny as you.
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>>Wireless mice are pricier. Break a wired one and its replacement is cheap.
>>Break or lose a wireless mouse and you'll waste time hunting around for a
>>better price or rethinking your original choice.
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> So dont break it, stupid.
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>>Also consider the expense of batteries.
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> No thanks, I had enough of a clue to get one with a charging cradle.
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>>Unless you get one with a cradle, you will need to buy lots of alkaline
>>batteries
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> Only fools are actually that stupid.
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>>or you will need to get the rechargeable batteries (that don't last a long per
>>charge as the single-use of non-rechargeables) along with a charger.
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> Anyone with a clue buys one with a charging cradle.
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>>If you get one with a recharging cradle, you'll get pissed off everytime you
>>leave the computer to come back to find that you forgot to cradle your
>>wireless mouse when you left, and now your mouse is still dead while you wait
>>for it to charge.
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> You've clearly never used one. A properly designed one will
> go for days between charges, will give enough of a warning
> about low battery that you can still use it all day and put it on
> the charger when you stop using it that night, and will recharge
> fully during the lunch break etc anyway.
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>>And getting a wireless mouse does NOT reduce the number of cords, anyway.
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> It does where the cords matter, at the keyboard and mouse.
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>>You're still stuck with the corded receiver.
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> Since you never move that around, thats irrelevant.
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>>Most users get wireless mice because it's a fad, cool, more technology, or
>>newer, not because they need wireless.
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> You can make the same stupid claim about the PC too.
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>>>Wired keyboards just work. Wireless ones have to be babysat.
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>>Likewise when battery level goes low, you'll start to hear users in
>>the cubicles start swearing and banging harder on the keys until you wander
>>over to have a check and then replace the batteries.
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> Not everyone has to deal with cretins in cubicles.
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>>There are good reasons of when or why to get wireless devices.
>>However, few of them come into play for users that choose them.
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> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
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