Vanguard <vanguard.news@yahooNIX.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Vanguard <vanguard.news@yahooNIX.com> wrote
>>> <paulmd@efn.org> wrote

>>> Exactly why I quit using wireless mice (and keyboards). The keyboard rarely
>>> moves anyway so what's the point of having it wireless?

>> Mine moves a lot because I dont use it on a desktop.

> You really think using a keyboard atop your lap is normal use by the majority
> of wireless keyboard users?

Irrelevant to that first question of yours above.

> Sometimes a wireless mouse makes good sense

Mostly, actually, you dont have the nuisance of the cable.

Only real downside is that its easier to drop a wireless mouse.

> but not so much for a wireless keyboard.

Yes, its certainly less important, but when you have the wireless
system there for the mouse, you might as well use it for the
keyboard too, because the keyboard batterys last for a very
long time even if they are just plain non rechargable batterys.

> One place a wireless mouse comes in handy is on shared hosts (or, at least, on
> shared I/O devices to those hosts).

Yes, tho thats a less important factor here since
I use Synergy to share the mouse and keyboard
and have separate monitors on the switching that.

> I use the mouse on the leftside of the keyboard although I am right-handed
> because that lets me extend my arm straight forward rather than at an angle
> due to lopsided keyboards (with the arrow and number pads on the right).
> Other users want it on the right side of the keyboard.

I run it around on an old A4 book cover on my lap, sometime
run it around on my chest when doing something simple mouse
wise for a moment with the keyboard on my lap.

> So being wireless makes it trivial to position the mouse on either side of the
> keyboard for multiple users.

Yes.

> However, that is not how most wireless mice are used; i.e., they have a single
> user.

Yes, but the lack of a wire does make them more convenient
even for those that still use them on the desktop.

>>> The only time wireless makes sense is if the system unit will be farther
>>> away than the cord, but then wireless devices don't come with very long
>>> cords, either.

>> Wrong again. The bluetooth devices can be used so far from
>> the system that you cant even read the monitor anymore.

> What is the point of moving yourself far away from that large monitor

I dont do that, I use it in the same place as the smaller monitor used to be.

> for which you paid extra so it is the equivalent of a much cheaper and smaller
> monitor?

Dont do that either.

> I don't recall ever seeing someone down the hallway waving their mouse around.

Yes, but it does blow that silly claim you made about range completely
out of the water, and fixes the multiple channel problem completely too.

> I haven't seen anyone positioning the mouse and keyboard much more than 1 to 3
> feet from the monitor monitor.

That aint the reason for bluetooth wireless mice and keyboards.

> Yes, I know, gimmickry sells.

It aint gimmickry, there are real advantages with bluetooth
with mice and keyboards, most obviously with the much
better range so you dont ever get dropouts, and you dont
have any problem with interference from other systems either.

> Bluetooth is not just used for wireless mice. It's used for networking, too.

Duh.

> Just Google on the problems with RF interference when using Bluetooth.

Dont need to, I know it works fine.

> That guy down the hallway waving his Bluetooth mouse around and using
> binoculars to see his monitor will also have interference problems.

Nope.

> Oh, of course, your response is "not in a properly configured system". You
> can configure the "system" only within the limits of the settings that are
> provided.

And those limits dont exist with bluetooth mice and keyboards.

> You are really claiming that it is ALWAYS possible to eliminate interference
> with other Bluetooth and other RF devices?

Yep. Bluetooth has been designed from scratch to
handle multiple bluetooth sessions in close proximity.

> If so, time to visit the US Patent Office with that discovery.

No point, its already been invented, its called bluetooth.

>>> I've yet to see one that notifies you BEFORE voltage gets too low to affect
>>> behavior.

>> You need to get out more. The MX700 warns you so early that you can continue
>> to use it fine all day once it starts warning of a low battery.

> During gameplay, just where are you going to see that warning icon?

It isnt an icon, the led on the top of the mouse starts blinking slowly.

Even you would notice it.

> If it flashes up a warning dialog,

It doesnt if you dont want one.

> it will screw up the resolution of the game, interrupt the game to pop you
> back to the desktop, and upon returning
> to the game you may not be able to restore a usable screen.

It doesnt if you dont want one.

> Indicators on the mouse, tray icons, and warning dialogs, all to
> overcome or forestall the inevitable problem of failing battery charge.

It just indicates that you need to put the mouse on the charger
when you are finished with the system that evening etc.

Many just put the mouse on the charger when they
stop using the system in the evening and so never
ever see any low battery indication what so ever.

Even you should be able to manage that.

> Yes, the particular wireless mouse that the OP mentioned may have an indicator
> of battery life.

No may about it, its got a 4 level battery charge indicator.

> So is the user actually monitoring that indicator during gameplay or while
> working to figure out just when they will have to plan for the temporary
> outage so they can replace the batteries without interfering with their later
> use of the or continue their work?

Nope, you can ignore it completely if you put the mouse on the
charger when you are finished with the system in the evening.
The indication is JUST a reminder that you need to put it on
the charger when you are finished with it in the evening if
you dont put it on the charger routinely every evening.

> I've never seen users watching their mouse.

You dont need to. The indicator is so obvious
that even you wouldnt be able to miss it.

> Instead they watch the mouse cursor on the monitor, so it will be when
> they experience erratic behavior that they might then check on battery
> voltage but then it's low and they have to do something about it then.

Wrong again. You get the indication of low battery LONG before you
ever get any erratic behaviour with a properly designed wireless mouse.

> Something will happen with the mouse behavior and then they will look at the
> voltage indicator.

Wrong again. You cant miss the low battery
indication with a properly designed mouse.

> Hell, most users never notice the CapsLock LED on their keyboard is lit until
> they notice they get all caps, then they look.

They dont even look at the led, just hit the caps lock key.

>> And it charges fast enough so that even a coffee break is enough to turn the
>> led off, and it will fully charge over lunch too.

> Must be nice to have such a slow work schedule (or personal schedule).

Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys.

> Having to wait around 15 minutes let alone an hour is not tolerable.

Pity you dont have to, it will run fine for the rest of the day when its
showing a low battery indication. Its JUST a reminder to put it on
the charger when you are finished with it in the evening, and if you
manage to forget to do that, you can just stick it on the charger
when thats convenient the next day. No one actually uses their
system continuously all day.

> I doubt the mouse will just happen to get low when it happens to be lunch or
> break time.

You're ignoring the FACT that the low battery indication happens
A FULL DAY OF USE BEFORE IT NEEDS TO BE CHARGED.

> I wasn't looking to deliberately generate interruptions in my game play or for
> other use of my computers or a reason to slack off at work. Yeah, boss, gotta
> take an early/late
> lunch because my mouse isn't charged up.

Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.

>>> Remember when inside a game that you won't see a tray icon that may show you
>>> voltage level of the batteries

>> That particular mouse he asked about has a 4
>> level battery level indicator on the mouse itself.

> Which the user won't be monitoring while playing a game or when engrossed in
> their work.

Doesnt need to, just check it when stopping using the system
as an indication that the mouse needs to be charged that night.

> They'll know to replace the batteries or recharge when and after the mouse
> starts behaving erratically, and by then voltage is too low.

Wrong, as always.

> Keyboards have had ScrollLock, NumLock, and CapsLock LEDs for decades and yet
> they don't monitor them until after something doesn't behave as expected.

They dont even bother to look at them even then, just hit the caps
lock key when they get a set of caps when that isnt intended.

>>> (and I've yet to see such a tray icon

>> Again, you need to get out more. The Logitechs have that.

> I didn't say no tray icon was provided.

I didnt say you did. I JUST said that if you havent
seen such a tray icon, you need to get out more.

> Yep, if you cannot argue the point, chop it up so it looks like they said
> something else.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

>> Not with that one he asked about. And its got a
>> 4 level charge indicator on the mouse anyway.

> Yeah, you made that point already. Do you actually watch your mouse as you
> move it around and click on its buttons?

Dont need to with a properly designed low battery indicator.

Even you'd notice, even tho you have clearly wanked yourself blind.

>>> Also, the polling rate for wireless mices is much slower.

>> Wrong again.

> Yep, you are right - for GAMING mice. Some examples:

> Typical cordless mouse: 125 Hz
> Typical corded mouse: 200 Hz
> Logitech MX1000 cordless mouse: Logitech doesn't say
> Logitech G7 Laser cordless mouse: 500 Hz
> Razer Copperhead cordless mouse: 1000 Hz

> Logitech doesn't list the reports/sec (Hz) polling rate for the MX1000. Since
> they advertise the G7 as their gaming mouse then the MX1000 is probably
> something less, like 200 Hz which puts it equivalent to the corded mice.

> So if there are wireless gaming mice, there aren't wired gaming mice?

Because all wired mice have an adequate polling rate.

> I've heard of programs, like USB Mouserate Switcher, than can up the polling
> rate to 1000 Hz. While Logitech has their wireless G7 gaming mouse, they also
> have their wired G7 gaming mouse for those not wanting the extra weight of
> batteries and the nuisances that batteries incur. So, yes, I was wrong that
> the polling rate is worse for wireless mice. It just isn't any better than
> wired mice.

Corse it is, the wire cant ever get in the road.

>>> You might try to up the sampling rate and buffer size but that won't affect
>>> the polling rate between the wireless mouse and the receiver.

>> Not a problem with a properly designed system.

>>> I've tried 7 wireless mice from IBM, Microsoft, Logitech, and a couple of
>>> the low-name brands and ALL were more jerky in gameplay than a wired mouse.

>> You clearly didnt try the MX700.

> After trialing several wireless mice, I decided I liked the much
> lighter corded mice due to the lack of weight for the batteries.

Your problem. So you clearly arent in any position to say
anything useful about how suitable they are for gaming,
or anything else at all about them either. You clearly dont
actually have a clue about the basics with a low battery
indicator with a properly designed wireless mouse either.

> I use my mouse a LOT over long continuous hours of use.

So do I, and I bet its more than you do too.

> Casual users probably won't mind. I'm arguing for less stress and less
> fatigue.
> You're arguing for more of these.

Wrong again. I get no stress and no fatigue with my wireless
mouse, even tho its is certainly heavier than the corded mice,
and I dont just run it around on the tabletop either.

You must be extremely puny if you cant manage a wireless mouse.

> For short use, like a couple hours, you might not mind.

I dont mind when I use it for 20+ hours thanks.

> The same is true for the newbies that start working in computer rooms and
> don't wear ear protectors because, well, gee, all the fans don't seem to be
> that loud.

Some of us have enough of a clue to assemble quiet systems.

>>> Some are much better than others but then most folks don't go switching
>>> between them and wired mice often enough to see the small jerkiness in
>>> movement that remains with wireless mice, or they play undemanding and slow
>>> games.

>> You clearly havent tried a decent gaming wireless mouse.

> Paying 5 times the price didn't make economical sense.

Mindlessly silly. Even the most expensive wireless mice cost
peanuts per year for the 7 years they are warranted for.

Even a desperate pov like you should be able to manage that.

In spades when you consider the cost of the rest of the gaming hardware.

> I can also get a decent gaming WIRED mouse, too. Logitech G3 wired mouse at
> $60 (Logitech's price; $47 at newegg.com).

> I did NOT include the MX1000 because "cordless performance that equals USB
> corded connection" (Logitech's description) means it runs as the measly 125
> Hz,

You dont know that.

> and even my wired non-gaming mouse can do 200 Hz.

You dont know that its any worse than that.

> The G7 wireless (at the same 500 Hz as the G3 wired) costs $100 (Logitech's
> price; $72 at newegg.com)

Peanuts per year over 3 years its warranted for when the cost
of the rest of the gaming hardware per year is considered.

> and you get 2.5 days of battery life for average game play.

So if you put it on the charger every evening,
you will never ever see any low battery indicator.

> More money

Peanuts, actually.

> with the nuisance of batteries.

No nuisance what so every, you just put it in the charger
when you are finished with the system every evening etc.

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to manage that.

> Such a deal.

Such pathetic excuse for bullshit.

>>> Wireless mice never have the longevity claimed by the mouse manufacturer.

>> Mine hasnt failed and its been years now.

> Sorry, I meant they don't have the longevity of battery life as promised by
> the mouse manufacturer.

Mine does.

> The cradle was provided to hide that fact.

Nope, to provide a convenient way to charge it, actually.

> Some even come with 2 battery packs with the cradle to further hide the
> problem of using batteries (so you're back to swapping batteries).

If you're actually stupid enough to buy one of those...

>>> I found the Logitech are more responsive than IBM or Microsoft but that's
>>> because the Logitech doesn't go to sleep as often

>> Doesnt go to sleep at all when its being used.

> Except YOU don't constantly keep the mouse in motion.

You dont need to, it STILL doesnt sleep with a properly designed mouse.

> Most will go to sleep in just 1 minute.

What matters is what a properly designed gaming mouse does.

> With the IBM, it was 1.5 seconds to get it out of sleep mode which meant I
> could be circling the mouse quite a bit before the mouse cursor started
> moving.

I have never ever had to do that for any time whatever.

> The Microsoft went to sleep after 1 minute but was quicker to wake up but I
> could still see the lag when I went to move the mouse before it woke up.

I have never ever seen mine visibly wake up except in the sense
that you can see the laser go to full power immediately its moved.

> The Logitech's went to sleep after a longer period of inactivity and were
> quicker to wake up, but they were also the shortest for battery longevity.

Irrelevant if you never ever get any low battery indication ever if
you charge it every evening when you are finished with the system.

> With a corded mouse, it never sleeps so you don't have to "shake it" to wake
> it up.

Never ever had to shake my cordless mouse to wake it up.

> Cordless mice MUST go to sleep to preserve battery life.

And its perfectly possible to design it so it wakes up so fast
that you never notice any delay, and it STILL never shows
any low battery indication if you charge it every evening.

> If all you do is graphics then it's possible that you keep you mouse
> continuously active.

I dont even see it sleep when I am
replying to a longer post like this one.

> Same for when you are playing games unless you find the keyboard provides
> better control, especially for movement. For the rest of the use of the
> computer, you will use the keyboard a lot, just like when you're typing your
> replies here.

Yes, and it doesnt go to sleep while I do.

> Meanwhile your mouse sits idle and goes to sleep

Wrong, as always.

> so you have to wake it to get the mouse cursor moving.

Wrong again, it wakes up so fast you dont even notice.

>>> and it also wakes up faster, and I've found Logitech to be less jerky (but
>>> still jerkier than wired but tolerable and probably not noticable by lots of
>>> users).

>> It isnt jerky at all with the MX700.

> Which is a Logitech model. Have you tried other brands?

Yep.

> I said the Logitech were smoother.

Pity you also claimed that they are still jerkier than
wired and you are just plain wrong, as always.

>>>>>> And because they're less reliable than wired keyboards,

>>>>> Pure drivel.

> Some come with cradles so you don't have to replace batteries. Most wireless
> mice do NOT have cradles.

Irrelevant, you buy one that does, stupid.

> You think it is more reliable to have users flexing a tab to remove a panel
> and be yanking out and shoving in batteries?

Nope, that a cordless mouse which has a charge is more
reliable than a wired mouse, because the cable cant fail.

> Besides the batteries, there is more to break in wireless mice.

Pity they dont have a constantly flexed wire to break.

> After all, corded mice don't have to deal with RF/EMF interference, switching
> channels to eliminate cross-talk between nearby cordless mice or keyboards,
> and when they break (and remember they ARE mechanical/manual devices so they
> do break) the cordless units are cheaper to replace.

Wrong again. Mine has a 7 year warranty thanks.

>>> Wireless mice are supposed to have a working range of up to 15 feet. True
>>> and not true. Some won't work if the mouse if more than 3 feet away from
>>> the receiver.

>> Anyone with a clue gets one with a much better
>> range than that if they need that. Bluetooth works
>> so far that you cant read the monitor anymore.

> And farther range is a plus?

If you have a problem with it not working more than 3 feet away, obviously.

> So you have greater chance of interference (from other Bluetooth devices or
> EMF) is a plus?

Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.

You've clearly never actually used one.

> What's the point of extended range in a *mouse* or *keyboard*?

You were the one whining about not working past 3 feet.

> Wireless hubs/routers maybe, but mice? (rolls eyes)

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

>>> Be careful what you place between the receiver and mouse. Yes, RF mice
>>> don't need line-of-sight but hiding the receiver on the other side of a
>>> metallic system case or behind a monitor can result in poor reception.

>> Even you should be able to avoid that situation.

> Not when you have a cubicle with 8 machines, 4 monitors (one on a KVM for 7 of
> the hosts, one for the Sun, one for a remote test station, and another for the
> alpha lab), and still need to retain enough desktop space for paperwork and a
> phone.

Mindlessly silly.

> Not everyone has unlimited space

You dont need that.

> and can configure the physical layout anyway they want with an unlimited
> budget to buy whatever they need.

Dont need an unlimited budget either.

And even you should be able to use bluetooth to completely
eliminate that problem and the one below, if someone was actually
stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

>>> There is also the problem of one wireless mouse affecting another.

>> Not with a properly designed system.

> And still you have to explain how you define this "properly designed system"
> within the limitations of the settings that are available in the devices.

Nope, not with bluetooth.

> How many channels are available to prevent interference with other wireless
> devices?

Its essentially unlimited with bluetooth.

> Can you budget for the shielding?

Dont need any.

> Just because it is possible doesn't mean it is feasible.

Its feasible anyway, hordes are doing it every single day.

>>> the wireless mice so they won't interfere, and most only give you 2
>>> "channels". In a home environment

>> Which just happens to be the situation being discussed.

> So you know that the OP lives in a house at a good distance from his neighbors
> and not in a condo, townhome, or apartment where the neighbors' computer are
> just across that sheetrock wall?

That MX1000 will still work fine even in that situation.

>>> with just one computer, this interference isn't a problem (unless you're in
>>> an apartment near the same wall where the next tenant also has their
>>> computer and wireless mouse),

>> It has to be the same system too.

> Let's see.

Not possible for you, you've wanked yourself completely blind.

> In an apartment, you could have a neighbor to the left, to the right, across
> the hall, upstairs, and downstairs.

Not necessarily using the same system tho. In fact unlikely that they will be.

> And with yourclaimed Bluetooth, now you're including neighbors several rooms
> away and several floors up and down.

But with unlimited channel capability.

> Not quite as bad as wireless mice in populate cubicles but not so isolated as
> you imply.

Fraid so, its much more likely that the rat hole situation
will see all the rats using the same wireless system.

>>> For wireless mice, and because they don't last that long, now they're making
>>> cradles to keep the batteries recharged (to hide the poor longevity).

>> Nope, because thats more convenient than farting around changing batterys.

> And now some of those coming with cradles are including 2 battery packs

Fuck all do. Even someone as stupid as you
should be able to work out how to avoid those.

> because, gee, the batteries might be too low and the charge take
> too long and the user wants to continue working or playing NOW.

Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out that
if you put the mouse on the charger every evening when you have
finished using the system, you never need to stop anything to
charge the mouse ever, let alone change any battery.

> The cradles were to hide the nuisances of batteries

They completely eliminate it.

> but they are proving insufficient, especially for heavy gamers,

Wrong again.

> so now they're back to providing replaceable battery packs

Fuck all do.

> (so we're back to swapping batteries) besides providing the cradle.

Not with the mice that go for days between charges.

>> You've likely noticed cordless phones use the same system.

> And why you better have a non-cordless phone for emergency use.

Different problem, the base isnt powered in that situation.

> If the power goes out, so does your cordless phone.

Not necessarily, it wont if you have it on any UPS at all.

> Why? Well, yeah, the battery in the cordless phone still works but the base
> unit which does NOT have batteries is dead and what your cordless phone uses
> to interface to the POTS line. If you have cordless phones, you had better
> get a UPS for them

Or you may well have a UPS anyway and all you have to do
is to plug it into that. Even you should be able to manage that.

> or add a corded phone somewhere in your house so you can actually call the
> power company to report the outage.

Its very unlikely that you actually need to report it and that
sort of thing is so rare that anyone with a clue continues to
use cordless phones and has a spare corded phone in case
its ever needed.

Only a fool avoids using cordless phones for that reason.

>>> Also remember that wireless mice weigh more than wired mice.

>> I dont care. Its weight is fine anyway.

> So you're arguing that MORE strain and effort is better than less. Uh huh.

There is no more strain and effort whatever.

And if you're that puny, the cord will be a problem anyway.

> Users that have a good reason or simply feel the need to go cordless usually
> don't lie or delude themself about the negative tradeoff in the extra weight
> for the wireless mouse.

Or its just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys.

>>> Why? Because of the weight of the batteries. If you choose to use a mouse
>>> (instead of a trackball), you will invariably end up having to lift the
>>> mouse over and over to reposition it on the mouse pad or desktop.

>> Even a weakling like you should be able to manage that fine.

> Advice from someone that doesn't care about fatigue or strain.

From someone who knows that there is no more fatigue or strain, actually.

> Masochism comes to mind for someone that actually likes to do it the hard way.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

> Yeah, if wireless mouse manufacturers couldn't figure out how to lighten their
> devices (without reducing battery longevity), of
> course they wouldn't want to do that, oh no.

Or maybe they actually realise that there are few so puny that
they cant manage to move a cordless mouse around on the tabletop.

> You think the other mouse manufacturers would dread if someone came out with a
> wireless mouse that weighed no more than a wired mouse?

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

> Personally I have no desire to be shoving a brick around to move the mouse
> cursor.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

>>> So how do you pick up the mouse for all that repositioning? By squeezing it
>>> between your fingers (thumb and pinky usually).

>> Wrong again.

>>> Your pinky can get tired after hours and hours of mouse use,
>>> especially with a heavier mouse that has to house batteries.

>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

> Oh, and you use telekinesis to raise and move over your mouse?

Nope, I just dont hold it between my thumb and pinky.

Might be because I actually use a properly designed mouse.

> How wonderful for you. Or maybe you've permanently glued some velcro onto
> your palm and onto the mouse.

In your case its obviously the hair on your palms and the
unspeakable secretions that are matted in that that does that.

>>> If you can arrange that the cord is unfettered so it doesn't snag
>>> and also doesn't hit anything (to eliminate torqueing on the mouse
>>> from restricted cord movement), a wired mouse is much less effort
>>> to move over extended periods of use.

>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

> You're failing faster and faster.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

>>> My fingers got sore from prolonged use of a wireless mouse because of the
>>> extra weight.

>> Not everyone is a puny as you.

> Some of us actually have to USE computers all day long and then into the
> night, too.

Yep, bet I use mine for longer than you do too thanks.

> To you, your computer is a very pricey toy.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.

> For me, it's a constantly used tool.

You might not actually be alone on that, child.

> Hold a pencil with your arm outstretched straight from your side so it is
> vertical. Nothing to it, huh? Now keep your arm there for hours and hours.
> Yeah, right, you are Superman.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

> I was talking about using a computer for extended periods of time, not between
> TV commercials.

Me too thanks, child. I dont ever get any TV commercials
either, my system eliminates those thanks.

> Even when gaming for hours on end, I find a lighter mouse less strain on my
> fingers and wrist than using a heavier mouse.

You're that puny ? Your problem.

>>> I also don't go deliberately looking for keyboards that have the hardest
>>> keys to press, either.

>> Not everyone is a puny as you.

> Boring.

Your sig is sposed to go at the bottom, child.

>>> Wireless mice are pricier. Break a wired one and its replacement
>>> is cheap. Break or lose a wireless mouse and you'll waste time
>>> hunting around for a better price or rethinking your original choice.

>> So dont break it, stupid.

> Wow, a self-professed male living alone.

You're guessing again, and egg all over your silly little face, as always.

> Try living with kids in the house, or coworkers that need to use your host.

Dont need to try that thanks, child.

> Again, he speaks from experience regarding infrequent use of his computer
> equipment.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.

>>> Also consider the expense of batteries.

>> No thanks, I had enough of a clue to get one with a charging cradle.

> You've already paid for all those batteries by having to pay extra for the
> cordless mouse that comes with a cradle.

Peanuts as part of what you pay for the rest of the gaming system.

> You really got the cradle for free? You really got those LIon batteries for
> free?

Nope, but they cost peanuts.

> Whether you bought a cordless mouse with or without a cradle, you still ended
> up paying for all those batteries.

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket
scientist pathetic excuses for a bullshit artist ?

>>> Unless you get one with a cradle, you will need to buy lots of alkaline
>>> batteries

>> Only fools are actually that stupid.

> So those without cradles won't need to buy batteries?

Nope, they dont need LOTS OF ALKALINE BATTERYS.

> Wonderful. Let's hear about your new perpetual motion engine.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

> Perhaps it was the "unless you get one with a cradle" that was stupid.

Nope.

> You didn't clarify.

Didnt need to unless you actually are that stupid.

> If so, you're in that class.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.

> If what you meant to say is that buying a cordless mouse without a cradle is
> stupid,

Nope.

> well, you already paid for all those batteries due to the higher cost of
> including the charging cradle

Not if you dont bother with one of those.

> and the higher cost for the rechargeable batteries.

Peanuts compared with the cost of ALL THOSE ALKALINE BATTERYS.

>>> or you will need to get the rechargeable batteries (that don't last a long
>>> per charge as the single-use of non-rechargeable) along with a charger.

>> Anyone with a clue buys one with a charging cradle.

> Not if they are buying a number of machines (but then wireless gets dumped in
> that case, anyway) to be used by a varying number of ever-changing users.
> Anytime there are multiple parts, there's more chance they get lost.

Mindlessly silly. I dont bother with wired
remotes anymore, or wired phones either.

> Reliability is often more important than gimmickry. And reliability is not
> just measured in how long the device physically endures.

And the wired mice and keyboards I used never did last that long.

Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now.

>>> If you get one with a recharging cradle, you'll get pissed off
>>> everytime you leave the computer to come back to find that you forgot to
>>> cradle your wireless mouse when you left, and now your mouse is still dead
>>> while you wait for it to charge.

>> You've clearly never used one. A properly designed one will
>> go for days between charges, will give enough of a warning
>> about low battery that you can still use it all day and put it on
>> the charger when you stop using it that night, and will recharge
>> fully during the lunch break etc anyway.

> Again someone who professes that they can excuse their lack of work to their
> boss because their mouse battery went dead.

Doesnt happen if you put it on the charger every night, stupid.

> Obviously not a demanding job when any excuse provides slack off time.

Doesnt happen if you put it on the charger every night, stupid.

> Yes, I know several cordless mouse users that have a cradle. I giggle every
> time they mention they are waiting for their mouse to charge because they
> forgot to put it in the cradle the day before.

Still not a problem with properly designed mouse
that can go all day with the low battery led flashing.

> Meanwhile I'm still working away with my corded mouse.

Until the cord fails.

> In fact, anyone who used that excuse ended up getting their mouse replaced
> with a corded one since that stupidity for downtime was not tolerated.

Doesnt happen if you put it on the charger every night, stupid.

> Performance is more important than gimmickry.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

>>> And getting a wireless mouse does NOT reduce the number of cords, anyway.

>> It does where the cords matter, at the keyboard and mouse.

> I stand corrected. The number of cords at the system unit is reduced since
> only 1 cord is needed for the receiver as opposed to 1 for the mouse and 1 for
> the keyboard. But there is still the cord.

Pity its out of the road so it doesnt matter.

> The cords matter at the keyboard and mouse?

Yep.

> The keyboard doesn't move (except for you and others that seem to find their
> lap more comfortable).

It aint just those, some move the keyboard
to provide more desk space at times too.

> It just sits there on the desk.

So does the cradle, stupid.

> The mouse moves all around in a small 1-foot circle atop a mouse pad or the
> same area on a desktop. If the mouse cord is unfettered, there is no
> restriction in movement of the LIGHTER wired mouse (yeah, we already know your
> masochistic argument that heavier mice are better).

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

>>> You're still stuck with the corded receiver.

>> Since you never move that around, thats irrelevant.

> The cord for the keyboard doesn't move around, either,

So you're no worse off than you are with a wired keyboard, stupid.

> and my point as to why wireless is usually nonsense (not always, just
> usually). Yes, you like to much more slowly type with the keyboard in your
> lap but I wasn't speaking to abnormal use.

Plenty move their keyboards at times for more desk space.

> Must be a very large lap you have for both keyboard and mouse

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.

> (ooh-hoo-oooh, don't like that image, think of something else, think of
> something else).

Let go of it before you end up completely blind, child.

>>> Wired keyboards just work. Wireless ones have to be babysat.

>>> Likewise when battery level goes low, you'll start to hear users in
>>> the cubicles start swearing and banging harder on the keys until
>>> you wander over to have a check and then replace the batteries.

>> Not everyone has to deal with cretins in cubicles.

> And, for home users sitting alone at their computers wondering why their game
> character isn't moving or acting erratically, the cretin is that lone home
> user having to deal with themself.

Even someone as stupid as you should notice the flashing low battery indicator.

> You haven't had to deal with users much,

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.

Been doing that likely since before you were even born thanks, child.

> you know, all those folks buying or using the
> devices. Aren't you lucky. In a world of one.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.

>>> There are good reasons of when or why to get wireless devices.
>>> However, few of them come into play for users that choose them.

>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

> Now, don't you feel so much better qualifying me as a drug crazed fantasizing
> cretin-helping puny weakling?

Nope, fools like you should get a bullet in the back of the neck.

> I didn't say there was no reason to get a wireless mouse.

Liar.

> I'm saying that most consumers get them when they can't qualify why they need
> wireless.

Irrelevant to whether they are useful anyway.

True in spades of cordless phones and cordless remotes.