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Rod Speed wrote:

> Vanguard <vanguard.news@yahooNIX.com> wrote
>
>>Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>Vanguard <vanguard.news@yahooNIX.com> wrote
>>>
>>>><paulmd@efn.org> wrote
>
>
>>>>Exactly why I quit using wireless mice (and keyboards). The keyboard rarely
>>>>moves anyway so what's the point of having it wireless?
>
>
>>>Mine moves a lot because I dont use it on a desktop.
>
>
>>You really think using a keyboard atop your lap is normal use by the majority
>>of wireless keyboard users?
>
>
> Irrelevant to that first question of yours above.
>
>
>>Sometimes a wireless mouse makes good sense
>
>
> Mostly, actually, you dont have the nuisance of the cable.
>
> Only real downside is that its easier to drop a wireless mouse.
>
>
>>but not so much for a wireless keyboard.
>
>
> Yes, its certainly less important, but when you have the wireless
> system there for the mouse, you might as well use it for the
> keyboard too, because the keyboard batterys last for a very
> long time even if they are just plain non rechargable batterys.
>
>
>>One place a wireless mouse comes in handy is on shared hosts (or, at least, on
>>shared I/O devices to those hosts).
>
>
> Yes, tho thats a less important factor here since
> I use Synergy to share the mouse and keyboard
> and have separate monitors on the switching that.
>
>
>>I use the mouse on the leftside of the keyboard although I am right-handed
>>because that lets me extend my arm straight forward rather than at an angle
>>due to lopsided keyboards (with the arrow and number pads on the right).
>>Other users want it on the right side of the keyboard.
>
>
> I run it around on an old A4 book cover on my lap, sometime
> run it around on my chest when doing something simple mouse
> wise for a moment with the keyboard on my lap.
>
>
>>So being wireless makes it trivial to position the mouse on either side of the
>>keyboard for multiple users.
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>>However, that is not how most wireless mice are used; i.e., they have a single
>>user.
>
>
> Yes, but the lack of a wire does make them more convenient
> even for those that still use them on the desktop.
>
>
>>>>The only time wireless makes sense is if the system unit will be farther
>>>>away than the cord, but then wireless devices don't come with very long
>>>>cords, either.
>
>
>>>Wrong again. The bluetooth devices can be used so far from
>>>the system that you cant even read the monitor anymore.
>
>
>>What is the point of moving yourself far away from that large monitor
>
>
> I dont do that, I use it in the same place as the smaller monitor used to be.
>
>
>>for which you paid extra so it is the equivalent of a much cheaper and smaller
>>monitor?
>
>
> Dont do that either.
>
>
>>I don't recall ever seeing someone down the hallway waving their mouse around.
>
>
> Yes, but it does blow that silly claim you made about range completely
> out of the water, and fixes the multiple channel problem completely too.
>
>
>>I haven't seen anyone positioning the mouse and keyboard much more than 1 to 3
>>feet from the monitor monitor.
>
>
> That aint the reason for bluetooth wireless mice and keyboards.
>
>
>>Yes, I know, gimmickry sells.
>
>
> It aint gimmickry, there are real advantages with bluetooth
> with mice and keyboards, most obviously with the much
> better range so you dont ever get dropouts, and you dont
> have any problem with interference from other systems either.
>
>
>>Bluetooth is not just used for wireless mice. It's used for networking, too.
>
>
> Duh.
>
>
>>Just Google on the problems with RF interference when using Bluetooth.
>
>
> Dont need to, I know it works fine.
>
>
>>That guy down the hallway waving his Bluetooth mouse around and using
>>binoculars to see his monitor will also have interference problems.
>
>
> Nope.
>
>
>>Oh, of course, your response is "not in a properly configured system". You
>>can configure the "system" only within the limits of the settings that are
>>provided.
>
>
> And those limits dont exist with bluetooth mice and keyboards.
>
>
>>You are really claiming that it is ALWAYS possible to eliminate interference
>>with other Bluetooth and other RF devices?
>
>
> Yep. Bluetooth has been designed from scratch to
> handle multiple bluetooth sessions in close proximity.
>
>
>>If so, time to visit the US Patent Office with that discovery.
>
>
> No point, its already been invented, its called bluetooth.
>
>
>>>>I've yet to see one that notifies you BEFORE voltage gets too low to affect
>>>>behavior.
>
>
>>>You need to get out more. The MX700 warns you so early that you can continue
>>>to use it fine all day once it starts warning of a low battery.
>
>
>>During gameplay, just where are you going to see that warning icon?
>
>
> It isnt an icon, the led on the top of the mouse starts blinking slowly.
>
> Even you would notice it.
>
>
>>If it flashes up a warning dialog,
>
>
> It doesnt if you dont want one.
>
>
>>it will screw up the resolution of the game, interrupt the game to pop you
>>back to the desktop, and upon returning
>>to the game you may not be able to restore a usable screen.
>
>
> It doesnt if you dont want one.
>
>
>>Indicators on the mouse, tray icons, and warning dialogs, all to
>>overcome or forestall the inevitable problem of failing battery charge.
>
>
> It just indicates that you need to put the mouse on the charger
> when you are finished with the system that evening etc.
>
> Many just put the mouse on the charger when they
> stop using the system in the evening and so never
> ever see any low battery indication what so ever.
>
> Even you should be able to manage that.
>
>
>>Yes, the particular wireless mouse that the OP mentioned may have an indicator
>>of battery life.
>
>
> No may about it, its got a 4 level battery charge indicator.
>
>
>>So is the user actually monitoring that indicator during gameplay or while
>>working to figure out just when they will have to plan for the temporary
>>outage so they can replace the batteries without interfering with their later
>>use of the or continue their work?
>
>
> Nope, you can ignore it completely if you put the mouse on the
> charger when you are finished with the system in the evening.
> The indication is JUST a reminder that you need to put it on
> the charger when you are finished with it in the evening if
> you dont put it on the charger routinely every evening.
>
>
>>I've never seen users watching their mouse.
>
>
> You dont need to. The indicator is so obvious
> that even you wouldnt be able to miss it.
>
>
>>Instead they watch the mouse cursor on the monitor, so it will be when
>>they experience erratic behavior that they might then check on battery
>>voltage but then it's low and they have to do something about it then.
>
>
> Wrong again. You get the indication of low battery LONG before you
> ever get any erratic behaviour with a properly designed wireless mouse.
>
>
>>Something will happen with the mouse behavior and then they will look at the
>>voltage indicator.
>
>
> Wrong again. You cant miss the low battery
> indication with a properly designed mouse.
>
>
>>Hell, most users never notice the CapsLock LED on their keyboard is lit until
>>they notice they get all caps, then they look.
>
>
> They dont even look at the led, just hit the caps lock key.
>
>
>>>And it charges fast enough so that even a coffee break is enough to turn the
>>>led off, and it will fully charge over lunch too.
>
>
>>Must be nice to have such a slow work schedule (or personal schedule).
>
>
> Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys.
>
>
>>Having to wait around 15 minutes let alone an hour is not tolerable.
>
>
> Pity you dont have to, it will run fine for the rest of the day when its
> showing a low battery indication. Its JUST a reminder to put it on
> the charger when you are finished with it in the evening, and if you
> manage to forget to do that, you can just stick it on the charger
> when thats convenient the next day. No one actually uses their
> system continuously all day.
>
>
>>I doubt the mouse will just happen to get low when it happens to be lunch or
>>break time.
>
>
> You're ignoring the FACT that the low battery indication happens
> A FULL DAY OF USE BEFORE IT NEEDS TO BE CHARGED.
>
>
>>I wasn't looking to deliberately generate interruptions in my game play or for
>>other use of my computers or a reason to slack off at work. Yeah, boss, gotta
>>take an early/late
>>lunch because my mouse isn't charged up.
>
>
> Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.
>
>
>>>>Remember when inside a game that you won't see a tray icon that may show you
>>>>voltage level of the batteries
>
>
>>>That particular mouse he asked about has a 4
>>>level battery level indicator on the mouse itself.
>
>
>>Which the user won't be monitoring while playing a game or when engrossed in
>>their work.
>
>
> Doesnt need to, just check it when stopping using the system
> as an indication that the mouse needs to be charged that night.
>
>
>>They'll know to replace the batteries or recharge when and after the mouse
>>starts behaving erratically, and by then voltage is too low.
>
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
>
>>Keyboards have had ScrollLock, NumLock, and CapsLock LEDs for decades and yet
>>they don't monitor them until after something doesn't behave as expected.
>
>
> They dont even bother to look at them even then, just hit the caps
> lock key when they get a set of caps when that isnt intended.
>
>
>>>>(and I've yet to see such a tray icon
>
>
>>>Again, you need to get out more. The Logitechs have that.
>
>
>>I didn't say no tray icon was provided.
>
>
> I didnt say you did. I JUST said that if you havent
> seen such a tray icon, you need to get out more.
>
>
>>Yep, if you cannot argue the point, chop it up so it looks like they said
>>something else.
>
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
>>>Not with that one he asked about. And its got a
>>>4 level charge indicator on the mouse anyway.
>
>
>>Yeah, you made that point already. Do you actually watch your mouse as you
>>move it around and click on its buttons?
>
>
> Dont need to with a properly designed low battery indicator.
>
> Even you'd notice, even tho you have clearly wanked yourself blind.
>
>
>>>>Also, the polling rate for wireless mices is much slower.
>
>
>>>Wrong again.
>
>
>>Yep, you are right - for GAMING mice. Some examples:
>
>
>> Typical cordless mouse: 125 Hz
>> Typical corded mouse: 200 Hz
>> Logitech MX1000 cordless mouse: Logitech doesn't say
>> Logitech G7 Laser cordless mouse: 500 Hz
>> Razer Copperhead cordless mouse: 1000 Hz
>
>
>>Logitech doesn't list the reports/sec (Hz) polling rate for the MX1000. Since
>>they advertise the G7 as their gaming mouse then the MX1000 is probably
>>something less, like 200 Hz which puts it equivalent to the corded mice.
>
>
>>So if there are wireless gaming mice, there aren't wired gaming mice?
>
>
> Because all wired mice have an adequate polling rate.
>
>
>>I've heard of programs, like USB Mouserate Switcher, than can up the polling
>>rate to 1000 Hz. While Logitech has their wireless G7 gaming mouse, they also
>>have their wired G7 gaming mouse for those not wanting the extra weight of
>>batteries and the nuisances that batteries incur. So, yes, I was wrong that
>>the polling rate is worse for wireless mice. It just isn't any better than
>>wired mice.
>
>
> Corse it is, the wire cant ever get in the road.
>
>
>>>>You might try to up the sampling rate and buffer size but that won't affect
>>>>the polling rate between the wireless mouse and the receiver.
>
>
>>>Not a problem with a properly designed system.
>
>
>>>>I've tried 7 wireless mice from IBM, Microsoft, Logitech, and a couple of
>>>>the low-name brands and ALL were more jerky in gameplay than a wired mouse.
>
>
>>>You clearly didnt try the MX700.
>
>
>>After trialing several wireless mice, I decided I liked the much
>>lighter corded mice due to the lack of weight for the batteries.
>
>
> Your problem. So you clearly arent in any position to say
> anything useful about how suitable they are for gaming,
> or anything else at all about them either. You clearly dont
> actually have a clue about the basics with a low battery
> indicator with a properly designed wireless mouse either.
>
>
>>I use my mouse a LOT over long continuous hours of use.
>
>
> So do I, and I bet its more than you do too.
>
>
>>Casual users probably won't mind. I'm arguing for less stress and less
>>fatigue.
>>You're arguing for more of these.
>
>
> Wrong again. I get no stress and no fatigue with my wireless
> mouse, even tho its is certainly heavier than the corded mice,
> and I dont just run it around on the tabletop either.
>
> You must be extremely puny if you cant manage a wireless mouse.
>
>
>>For short use, like a couple hours, you might not mind.
>
>
> I dont mind when I use it for 20+ hours thanks.
>
>
>>The same is true for the newbies that start working in computer rooms and
>>don't wear ear protectors because, well, gee, all the fans don't seem to be
>>that loud.
>
>
> Some of us have enough of a clue to assemble quiet systems.
>
>
>>>>Some are much better than others but then most folks don't go switching
>>>>between them and wired mice often enough to see the small jerkiness in
>>>>movement that remains with wireless mice, or they play undemanding and slow
>>>>games.
>
>
>>>You clearly havent tried a decent gaming wireless mouse.
>
>
>>Paying 5 times the price didn't make economical sense.
>
>
> Mindlessly silly. Even the most expensive wireless mice cost
> peanuts per year for the 7 years they are warranted for.
>
> Even a desperate pov like you should be able to manage that.
>
> In spades when you consider the cost of the rest of the gaming hardware.
>
>
>>I can also get a decent gaming WIRED mouse, too. Logitech G3 wired mouse at
>>$60 (Logitech's price; $47 at newegg.com).
>
>
>>I did NOT include the MX1000 because "cordless performance that equals USB
>>corded connection" (Logitech's description) means it runs as the measly 125
>>Hz,
>
>
> You dont know that.
>
>
>>and even my wired non-gaming mouse can do 200 Hz.
>
>
> You dont know that its any worse than that.
>
>
>>The G7 wireless (at the same 500 Hz as the G3 wired) costs $100 (Logitech's
>>price; $72 at newegg.com)
>
>
> Peanuts per year over 3 years its warranted for when the cost
> of the rest of the gaming hardware per year is considered.
>
>
>>and you get 2.5 days of battery life for average game play.
>
>
> So if you put it on the charger every evening,
> you will never ever see any low battery indicator.
>
>
>>More money
>
>
> Peanuts, actually.
>
>
>>with the nuisance of batteries.
>
>
> No nuisance what so every, you just put it in the charger
> when you are finished with the system every evening etc.
>
> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to manage that.
>
>
>>Such a deal.
>
>
> Such pathetic excuse for bullshit.
>
>
>>>>Wireless mice never have the longevity claimed by the mouse manufacturer.
>
>
>>>Mine hasnt failed and its been years now.
>
>
>>Sorry, I meant they don't have the longevity of battery life as promised by
>>the mouse manufacturer.
>
>
> Mine does.
>
>
>>The cradle was provided to hide that fact.
>
>
> Nope, to provide a convenient way to charge it, actually.
>
>
>>Some even come with 2 battery packs with the cradle to further hide the
>>problem of using batteries (so you're back to swapping batteries).
>
>
> If you're actually stupid enough to buy one of those...
>
>
>>>>I found the Logitech are more responsive than IBM or Microsoft but that's
>>>>because the Logitech doesn't go to sleep as often
>
>
>>>Doesnt go to sleep at all when its being used.
>
>
>>Except YOU don't constantly keep the mouse in motion.
>
>
> You dont need to, it STILL doesnt sleep with a properly designed mouse.
>
>
>>Most will go to sleep in just 1 minute.
>
>
> What matters is what a properly designed gaming mouse does.
>
>
>>With the IBM, it was 1.5 seconds to get it out of sleep mode which meant I
>>could be circling the mouse quite a bit before the mouse cursor started
>>moving.
>
>
> I have never ever had to do that for any time whatever.
>
>
>>The Microsoft went to sleep after 1 minute but was quicker to wake up but I
>>could still see the lag when I went to move the mouse before it woke up.
>
>
> I have never ever seen mine visibly wake up except in the sense
> that you can see the laser go to full power immediately its moved.
>
>
>>The Logitech's went to sleep after a longer period of inactivity and were
>>quicker to wake up, but they were also the shortest for battery longevity.
>
>
> Irrelevant if you never ever get any low battery indication ever if
> you charge it every evening when you are finished with the system.
>
>
>>With a corded mouse, it never sleeps so you don't have to "shake it" to wake
>>it up.
>
>
> Never ever had to shake my cordless mouse to wake it up.
>
>
>>Cordless mice MUST go to sleep to preserve battery life.
>
>
> And its perfectly possible to design it so it wakes up so fast
> that you never notice any delay, and it STILL never shows
> any low battery indication if you charge it every evening.
>
>
>>If all you do is graphics then it's possible that you keep you mouse
>>continuously active.
>
>
> I dont even see it sleep when I am
> replying to a longer post like this one.
>
>
>>Same for when you are playing games unless you find the keyboard provides
>>better control, especially for movement. For the rest of the use of the
>>computer, you will use the keyboard a lot, just like when you're typing your
>>replies here.
>
>
> Yes, and it doesnt go to sleep while I do.
>
>
>>Meanwhile your mouse sits idle and goes to sleep
>
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
>
>>so you have to wake it to get the mouse cursor moving.
>
>
> Wrong again, it wakes up so fast you dont even notice.
>
>
>>>>and it also wakes up faster, and I've found Logitech to be less jerky (but
>>>>still jerkier than wired but tolerable and probably not noticable by lots of
>>>>users).
>
>
>>>It isnt jerky at all with the MX700.
>
>
>>Which is a Logitech model. Have you tried other brands?
>
>
> Yep.
>
>
>>I said the Logitech were smoother.
>
>
> Pity you also claimed that they are still jerkier than
> wired and you are just plain wrong, as always.
>
>
>>>>>>>And because they're less reliable than wired keyboards,
>
>
>>>>>>Pure drivel.
>
>
>>Some come with cradles so you don't have to replace batteries. Most wireless
>>mice do NOT have cradles.
>
>
> Irrelevant, you buy one that does, stupid.
>
>
>>You think it is more reliable to have users flexing a tab to remove a panel
>>and be yanking out and shoving in batteries?
>
>
> Nope, that a cordless mouse which has a charge is more
> reliable than a wired mouse, because the cable cant fail.
>
>
>>Besides the batteries, there is more to break in wireless mice.
>
>
> Pity they dont have a constantly flexed wire to break.
>
>
>>After all, corded mice don't have to deal with RF/EMF interference, switching
>>channels to eliminate cross-talk between nearby cordless mice or keyboards,
>>and when they break (and remember they ARE mechanical/manual devices so they
>>do break) the cordless units are cheaper to replace.
>
>
> Wrong again. Mine has a 7 year warranty thanks.
>
>
>>>>Wireless mice are supposed to have a working range of up to 15 feet. True
>>>>and not true. Some won't work if the mouse if more than 3 feet away from
>>>>the receiver.
>
>
>>>Anyone with a clue gets one with a much better
>>>range than that if they need that. Bluetooth works
>>>so far that you cant read the monitor anymore.
>
>
>>And farther range is a plus?
>
>
> If you have a problem with it not working more than 3 feet away, obviously.
>
>
>>So you have greater chance of interference (from other Bluetooth devices or
>>EMF) is a plus?
>
>
> Just another of your silly little pig ignorant fantasys.
>
> You've clearly never actually used one.
>
>
>>What's the point of extended range in a *mouse* or *keyboard*?
>
>
> You were the one whining about not working past 3 feet.
>
>
>>Wireless hubs/routers maybe, but mice? (rolls eyes)
>
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
>>>>Be careful what you place between the receiver and mouse. Yes, RF mice
>>>>don't need line-of-sight but hiding the receiver on the other side of a
>>>>metallic system case or behind a monitor can result in poor reception.
>
>
>>>Even you should be able to avoid that situation.
>
>
>>Not when you have a cubicle with 8 machines, 4 monitors (one on a KVM for 7 of
>>the hosts, one for the Sun, one for a remote test station, and another for the
>>alpha lab), and still need to retain enough desktop space for paperwork and a
>>phone.
>
>
> Mindlessly silly.
>
>
>>Not everyone has unlimited space
>
>
> You dont need that.
>
>
>>and can configure the physical layout anyway they want with an unlimited
>>budget to buy whatever they need.
>
>
> Dont need an unlimited budget either.
>
> And even you should be able to use bluetooth to completely
> eliminate that problem and the one below, if someone was actually
> stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
>
>
>>>>There is also the problem of one wireless mouse affecting another.
>
>
>>>Not with a properly designed system.
>
>
>>And still you have to explain how you define this "properly designed system"
>>within the limitations of the settings that are available in the devices.
>
>
> Nope, not with bluetooth.
>
>
>>How many channels are available to prevent interference with other wireless
>>devices?
>
>
> Its essentially unlimited with bluetooth.
>
>
>>Can you budget for the shielding?
>
>
> Dont need any.
>
>
>>Just because it is possible doesn't mean it is feasible.
>
>
> Its feasible anyway, hordes are doing it every single day.
>
>
>>>>the wireless mice so they won't interfere, and most only give you 2
>>>>"channels". In a home environment
>
>
>>>Which just happens to be the situation being discussed.
>
>
>>So you know that the OP lives in a house at a good distance from his neighbors
>>and not in a condo, townhome, or apartment where the neighbors' computer are
>>just across that sheetrock wall?
>
>
> That MX1000 will still work fine even in that situation.
>
>
>>>>with just one computer, this interference isn't a problem (unless you're in
>>>>an apartment near the same wall where the next tenant also has their
>>>>computer and wireless mouse),
>
>
>>>It has to be the same system too.
>
>
>>Let's see.
>
>
> Not possible for you, you've wanked yourself completely blind.
>
>
>>In an apartment, you could have a neighbor to the left, to the right, across
>>the hall, upstairs, and downstairs.
>
>
> Not necessarily using the same system tho. In fact unlikely that they will be.
>
>
>>And with yourclaimed Bluetooth, now you're including neighbors several rooms
>>away and several floors up and down.
>
>
> But with unlimited channel capability.
>
>
>>Not quite as bad as wireless mice in populate cubicles but not so isolated as
>>you imply.
>
>
> Fraid so, its much more likely that the rat hole situation
> will see all the rats using the same wireless system.
>
>
>>>>For wireless mice, and because they don't last that long, now they're making
>>>>cradles to keep the batteries recharged (to hide the poor longevity).
>
>
>>>Nope, because thats more convenient than farting around changing batterys.
>
>
>>And now some of those coming with cradles are including 2 battery packs
>
>
> Fuck all do. Even someone as stupid as you
> should be able to work out how to avoid those.
>
>
>>because, gee, the batteries might be too low and the charge take
>>too long and the user wants to continue working or playing NOW.
>
>
> Even someone as stupid as you should be able to work out that
> if you put the mouse on the charger every evening when you have
> finished using the system, you never need to stop anything to
> charge the mouse ever, let alone change any battery.
>
>
>>The cradles were to hide the nuisances of batteries
>
>
> They completely eliminate it.
>
>
>>but they are proving insufficient, especially for heavy gamers,
>
>
> Wrong again.
>
>
>>so now they're back to providing replaceable battery packs
>
>
> Fuck all do.
>
>
>>(so we're back to swapping batteries) besides providing the cradle.
>
>
> Not with the mice that go for days between charges.
>
>
>>>You've likely noticed cordless phones use the same system.
>
>
>>And why you better have a non-cordless phone for emergency use.
>
>
> Different problem, the base isnt powered in that situation.
>
>
>>If the power goes out, so does your cordless phone.
>
>
> Not necessarily, it wont if you have it on any UPS at all.
>
>
>>Why? Well, yeah, the battery in the cordless phone still works but the base
>>unit which does NOT have batteries is dead and what your cordless phone uses
>>to interface to the POTS line. If you have cordless phones, you had better
>>get a UPS for them
>
>
> Or you may well have a UPS anyway and all you have to do
> is to plug it into that. Even you should be able to manage that.
>
>
>>or add a corded phone somewhere in your house so you can actually call the
>>power company to report the outage.
>
>
> Its very unlikely that you actually need to report it and that
> sort of thing is so rare that anyone with a clue continues to
> use cordless phones and has a spare corded phone in case
> its ever needed.
>
> Only a fool avoids using cordless phones for that reason.
>
>
>>>>Also remember that wireless mice weigh more than wired mice.
>
>
>>>I dont care. Its weight is fine anyway.
>
>
>>So you're arguing that MORE strain and effort is better than less. Uh huh.
>
>
> There is no more strain and effort whatever.
>
> And if you're that puny, the cord will be a problem anyway.
>
>
>>Users that have a good reason or simply feel the need to go cordless usually
>>don't lie or delude themself about the negative tradeoff in the extra weight
>>for the wireless mouse.
>
>
> Or its just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys.
>
>
>>>>Why? Because of the weight of the batteries. If you choose to use a mouse
>>>>(instead of a trackball), you will invariably end up having to lift the
>>>>mouse over and over to reposition it on the mouse pad or desktop.
>
>
>>>Even a weakling like you should be able to manage that fine.
>
>
>>Advice from someone that doesn't care about fatigue or strain.
>
>
> From someone who knows that there is no more fatigue or strain, actually.
>
>
>>Masochism comes to mind for someone that actually likes to do it the hard way.
>
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
>>Yeah, if wireless mouse manufacturers couldn't figure out how to lighten their
>>devices (without reducing battery longevity), of
>>course they wouldn't want to do that, oh no.
>
>
> Or maybe they actually realise that there are few so puny that
> they cant manage to move a cordless mouse around on the tabletop.
>
>
>>You think the other mouse manufacturers would dread if someone came out with a
>>wireless mouse that weighed no more than a wired mouse?
>
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>
>
>>Personally I have no desire to be shoving a brick around to move the mouse
>>cursor.
>
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
>>>>So how do you pick up the mouse for all that repositioning? By squeezing it
>>>>between your fingers (thumb and pinky usually).
>
>
>>>Wrong again.
>
>
>>>>Your pinky can get tired after hours and hours of mouse use,
>>>>especially with a heavier mouse that has to house batteries.
>
>
>>>Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>
>
>>Oh, and you use telekinesis to raise and move over your mouse?
>
>
> Nope, I just dont hold it between my thumb and pinky.
>
> Might be because I actually use a properly designed mouse.
>
>
>>How wonderful for you. Or maybe you've permanently glued some velcro onto
>>your palm and onto the mouse.
>
>
> In your case its obviously the hair on your palms and the
> unspeakable secretions that are matted in that that does that.
>
>
>>>>If you can arrange that the cord is unfettered so it doesn't snag
>>>>and also doesn't hit anything (to eliminate torqueing on the mouse
>>>>from restricted cord movement), a wired mouse is much less effort
>>>>to move over extended periods of use.
>
>
>>>Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>
>
>>You're failing faster and faster.
>
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>
>
>>>>My fingers got sore from prolonged use of a wireless mouse because of the
>>>>extra weight.
>
>
>>>Not everyone is a puny as you.
>
>
>>Some of us actually have to USE computers all day long and then into the
>>night, too.
>
>
> Yep, bet I use mine for longer than you do too thanks.
>
>
>>To you, your computer is a very pricey toy.
>
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.
>
>
>>For me, it's a constantly used tool.
>
>
> You might not actually be alone on that, child.
>
>
>>Hold a pencil with your arm outstretched straight from your side so it is
>>vertical. Nothing to it, huh? Now keep your arm there for hours and hours.
>>Yeah, right, you are Superman.
>
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
>>I was talking about using a computer for extended periods of time, not between
>>TV commercials.
>
>
> Me too thanks, child. I dont ever get any TV commercials
> either, my system eliminates those thanks.
>
>
>>Even when gaming for hours on end, I find a lighter mouse less strain on my
>>fingers and wrist than using a heavier mouse.
>
>
> You're that puny ? Your problem.
>
>
>>>>I also don't go deliberately looking for keyboards that have the hardest
>>>>keys to press, either.
>
>
>>>Not everyone is a puny as you.
>
>
>>Boring.
>
>
> Your sig is sposed to go at the bottom, child.
>
>
>>>>Wireless mice are pricier. Break a wired one and its replacement
>>>>is cheap. Break or lose a wireless mouse and you'll waste time
>>>>hunting around for a better price or rethinking your original choice.
>
>
>>>So dont break it, stupid.
>
>
>>Wow, a self-professed male living alone.
>
>
> You're guessing again, and egg all over your silly little face, as always.
>
>
>>Try living with kids in the house, or coworkers that need to use your host.
>
>
> Dont need to try that thanks, child.
>
>
>>Again, he speaks from experience regarding infrequent use of his computer
>>equipment.
>
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.
>
>
>>>>Also consider the expense of batteries.
>
>
>>>No thanks, I had enough of a clue to get one with a charging cradle.
>
>
>>You've already paid for all those batteries by having to pay extra for the
>>cordless mouse that comes with a cradle.
>
>
> Peanuts as part of what you pay for the rest of the gaming system.
>
>
>>You really got the cradle for free? You really got those LIon batteries for
>>free?
>
>
> Nope, but they cost peanuts.
>
>
>>Whether you bought a cordless mouse with or without a cradle, you still ended
>>up paying for all those batteries.
>
>
> You quite sure you aint one of those rocket
> scientist pathetic excuses for a bullshit artist ?
>
>
>>>>Unless you get one with a cradle, you will need to buy lots of alkaline
>>>>batteries
>
>
>>>Only fools are actually that stupid.
>
>
>>So those without cradles won't need to buy batteries?
>
>
> Nope, they dont need LOTS OF ALKALINE BATTERYS.
>
>
>>Wonderful. Let's hear about your new perpetual motion engine.
>
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
>>Perhaps it was the "unless you get one with a cradle" that was stupid.
>
>
> Nope.
>
>
>>You didn't clarify.
>
>
> Didnt need to unless you actually are that stupid.
>
>
>>If so, you're in that class.
>
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.
>
>
>>If what you meant to say is that buying a cordless mouse without a cradle is
>>stupid,
>
>
> Nope.
>
>
>>well, you already paid for all those batteries due to the higher cost of
>>including the charging cradle
>
>
> Not if you dont bother with one of those.
>
>
>>and the higher cost for the rechargeable batteries.
>
>
> Peanuts compared with the cost of ALL THOSE ALKALINE BATTERYS.
>
>
>>>>or you will need to get the rechargeable batteries (that don't last a long
>>>>per charge as the single-use of non-rechargeable) along with a charger.
>
>
>>>Anyone with a clue buys one with a charging cradle.
>
>
>>Not if they are buying a number of machines (but then wireless gets dumped in
>>that case, anyway) to be used by a varying number of ever-changing users.
>>Anytime there are multiple parts, there's more chance they get lost.
>
>
> Mindlessly silly. I dont bother with wired
> remotes anymore, or wired phones either.
>
>
>>Reliability is often more important than gimmickry. And reliability is not
>>just measured in how long the device physically endures.
>
>
> And the wired mice and keyboards I used never did last that long.
>
> Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now.
>
>
>>>>If you get one with a recharging cradle, you'll get pissed off
>>>>everytime you leave the computer to come back to find that you forgot to
>>>>cradle your wireless mouse when you left, and now your mouse is still dead
>>>>while you wait for it to charge.
>
>
>>>You've clearly never used one. A properly designed one will
>>>go for days between charges, will give enough of a warning
>>>about low battery that you can still use it all day and put it on
>>>the charger when you stop using it that night, and will recharge
>>>fully during the lunch break etc anyway.
>
>
>>Again someone who professes that they can excuse their lack of work to their
>>boss because their mouse battery went dead.
>
>
> Doesnt happen if you put it on the charger every night, stupid.
>
>
>>Obviously not a demanding job when any excuse provides slack off time.
>
>
> Doesnt happen if you put it on the charger every night, stupid.
>
>
>>Yes, I know several cordless mouse users that have a cradle. I giggle every
>>time they mention they are waiting for their mouse to charge because they
>>forgot to put it in the cradle the day before.
>
>
> Still not a problem with properly designed mouse
> that can go all day with the low battery led flashing.
>
>
>>Meanwhile I'm still working away with my corded mouse.
>
>
> Until the cord fails.
>
>
>>In fact, anyone who used that excuse ended up getting their mouse replaced
>>with a corded one since that stupidity for downtime was not tolerated.
>
>
> Doesnt happen if you put it on the charger every night, stupid.
>
>
>>Performance is more important than gimmickry.
>
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
>>>>And getting a wireless mouse does NOT reduce the number of cords, anyway.
>
>
>>>It does where the cords matter, at the keyboard and mouse.
>
>
>>I stand corrected. The number of cords at the system unit is reduced since
>>only 1 cord is needed for the receiver as opposed to 1 for the mouse and 1 for
>>the keyboard. But there is still the cord.
>
>
> Pity its out of the road so it doesnt matter.
>
>
>>The cords matter at the keyboard and mouse?
>
>
> Yep.
>
>
>>The keyboard doesn't move (except for you and others that seem to find their
>>lap more comfortable).
>
>
> It aint just those, some move the keyboard
> to provide more desk space at times too.
>
>
>>It just sits there on the desk.
>
>
> So does the cradle, stupid.
>
>
>>The mouse moves all around in a small 1-foot circle atop a mouse pad or the
>>same area on a desktop. If the mouse cord is unfettered, there is no
>>restriction in movement of the LIGHTER wired mouse (yeah, we already know your
>>masochistic argument that heavier mice are better).
>
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
>
>>>>You're still stuck with the corded receiver.
>
>
>>>Since you never move that around, thats irrelevant.
>
>
>>The cord for the keyboard doesn't move around, either,
>
>
> So you're no worse off than you are with a wired keyboard, stupid.
>
>
>>and my point as to why wireless is usually nonsense (not always, just
>>usually). Yes, you like to much more slowly type with the keyboard in your
>>lap but I wasn't speaking to abnormal use.
>
>
> Plenty move their keyboards at times for more desk space.
>
>
>>Must be a very large lap you have for both keyboard and mouse
>
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.
>
>
>>(ooh-hoo-oooh, don't like that image, think of something else, think of
>>something else).
>
>
> Let go of it before you end up completely blind, child.
>
>
>>>>Wired keyboards just work. Wireless ones have to be babysat.
>
>
>>>>Likewise when battery level goes low, you'll start to hear users in
>>>>the cubicles start swearing and banging harder on the keys until
>>>>you wander over to have a check and then replace the batteries.
>
>
>>>Not everyone has to deal with cretins in cubicles.
>
>
>>And, for home users sitting alone at their computers wondering why their game
>>character isn't moving or acting erratically, the cretin is that lone home
>>user having to deal with themself.
>
>
> Even someone as stupid as you should notice the flashing low battery indicator.
>
>
>>You haven't had to deal with users much,
>
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.
>
> Been doing that likely since before you were even born thanks, child.
>
>
>>you know, all those folks buying or using the
>>devices. Aren't you lucky. In a world of one.
>
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys.
>
>
>>>>There are good reasons of when or why to get wireless devices.
>>>>However, few of them come into play for users that choose them.
>
>
>>>Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>
>
>>Now, don't you feel so much better qualifying me as a drug crazed fantasizing
>>cretin-helping puny weakling?
>
>
> Nope, fools like you should get a bullet in the back of the neck.
>
>
>>I didn't say there was no reason to get a wireless mouse.
>
>
> Liar.
>
>
>>I'm saying that most consumers get them when they can't qualify why they need
>>wireless.
>
>
> Irrelevant to whether they are useful anyway.
>
> True in spades of cordless phones and cordless remotes.
>
>