Holly Shit Your a genuiss!!!!!!!! thank you so much for your help mr/mrs Whetu ,my pda hooks up to it no worries yay can surf the net on it ! I found that my firewall was also causing problems { in terms of just trying to find the AP once I turned that off and configured it I was away thank you so much for putting up with my stupidity and yeah I too through you might have to get the crayons out .

once again thanks heaps for all your help !

Cheers
Andrew