On 18 Nov 2006 10:41:31 -0800, "RMZ" <Jeremy.Deats@gmail.com> wrote in
<1163875291.511146.28770@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.c om>:

>John Navas wrote:

>> There actually are ways tethering like that can be detected and/or
>> defeated. Next time check with a cellular engineer, instead of a
>> Windoze jockey.
>
>The only way your statement is true is if Cingular has some form of
>application written into the device OS firmware that logs this sort of
>thing and makes it available to the provider. ...

Again, not true.

>So can you explain how, I mean do you understand the technical aspects
>of how the provider could detect this and say for certain this
>Microsoft Engineer is mistaken? If so, in laymans terms I'd like to
>know.

I do understand, but I'm not going to go into it here -- see last line
below.

>Mr. Navas, I'm a software engineer by profession, and I
>understand the technical aspects of the Windows Mobile 5 devices quite
>well.

But apparently not the technical aspects of GSM, which is equally
important. I, also a software person by profession, understand both.

>I would also assert that if Cingular had the technical means to audit
>this and charge customers using ModemLink in a way that violates their
>written policy (as many, including yourself have claimed) that they
>would do so. That would makes sesne wouldn't it? But they haven't.

I disagree -- see below.

>It's not rocket science, you combine the facts you know and then add in
>the second hand information you have from quality sources, then you
>apply a little deductive reasoning and you end up with pretty good
>theory.

Which may nonetheless be wrong.

From all of the available evidence (including statements in the press)
I personally think Cingular is (currently at least) choosing to ignore a
not unreasonable amount of use that's contrary to the service agreement;
i.e., to only go after the relatively small number of heavy (ab)users.

> Of course you're free to use whatever system you want to form your
>beliefs what you want.

Of course.

>From you comments I take it that comes heavily
>from second hand information Cingular themselves. But as the great
>Economist Steven Levitt has said "conventional wisdom is often wrong".
>The answer is often outside the box.

That's sufficiently arrogant and offensive that I'm not going to respond
further. Have a nice day.

--
Best regards, FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS:
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>