"Stefan Kaniuk" <s.kaniuk@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:QBRDe.4384$Hd4.2943@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
> FACE IT IF YOU DONT LIKE VONAGE STOP BANGING ON ABOUT IT MERVART AND FIND
> SOMETHING APPROPRIATE T YOUR NEEDS
> "r_mervart" <r_mervart@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:aLQDe.5469$Oe4.4245@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net...
> >
> > <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:9i3vd1h7uvbbfv9v5m1unhrfnoic6fqrb3@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:14:47 GMT, "r_mervart"
> >> <r_mervart@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >If it is a fixed non-reducible monthly charge then it is what would
> > normally
> >> >be understood as a rental whether it includes certain types of call
> > without
> >> >further charge or not.
> >> No you are wrong if I took what you are saying above to be correct
> >> then our city transport operators are charging bus rental when they
> >> say I can travel anywhere in the city at any time of the day or night
> >> for a fixed monthly fee.
> >> Now I have a choice I can either buy the journeys in bulk at a very
> >> much reduced rate or I can pay per journey and it is exactly the same
> >> with Vonage and many other phone companies with the exception of BT
> >> who clearly state their top package includes line RENTAL and ALL
> >> calls. You cannot rent a line from Vonage has they have no lines to
> >> rent .
> >>
> > Mobile operators do not have lines to rent but charge a line rental or
> > boast
> > about not charging the line rental (e.g. Virgin, EasyMobile) - which
> > implies
> > they could do if they decided to. I do not want to get hang up on a
> > meaning
> > of the word rental but to me there is a question of the payment of
either
> > 1) a fixed irreducible monthly fee or
> > 2) no monthly fee at all and paying only for calls (pay as you go).
> >
> > I am not saying what and who is better but as far as I understand it I
do
> > not have that second option with Vonage. In other words, taking your
> > example, I do not have that option paying for just one bus journey. I
> > just
> > want to be clear about it.
> > Thanks
> > Roman

You have got a wrong end of the stick. I am not that far in my understanding
of the VoIP scene to make any conclusive judgements and I am not making
them, except that there is no need to top post and shout.
Roman