"r_mervart" <r_mervart@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Stefan Kaniuk" <s.kaniuk@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>> FACE IT IF YOU DONT LIKE VONAGE STOP BANGING ON ABOUT IT MERVART AND FIND
>> SOMETHING APPROPRIATE T YOUR NEEDS
>> "r_mervart" <r_mervart@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> > <Dexter@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:9i3vd1h7uvbbfv9v5m1unhrfnoic6fqrb3@4ax.com...
>> >> On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:14:47 GMT, "r_mervart"
>> >> <r_mervart@REMOVETHIShotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >If it is a fixed non-reducible monthly charge then it is what would
>> > normally
>> >> >be understood as a rental whether it includes certain types of call
>> > without
>> >> >further charge or not.
>> >> No you are wrong if I took what you are saying above to be correct
>> >> then our city transport operators are charging bus rental when they
>> >> say I can travel anywhere in the city at any time of the day or night
>> >> for a fixed monthly fee.
>> >> Now I have a choice I can either buy the journeys in bulk at a very
>> >> much reduced rate or I can pay per journey and it is exactly the same
>> >> with Vonage and many other phone companies with the exception of BT
>> >> who clearly state their top package includes line RENTAL and ALL
>> >> calls. You cannot rent a line from Vonage has they have no lines to
>> >> rent .
>> >>
>> > Mobile operators do not have lines to rent but charge a line rental or
>> > boast
>> > about not charging the line rental (e.g. Virgin, EasyMobile) - which
>> > implies
>> > they could do if they decided to. I do not want to get hang up on a
>> > meaning
>> > of the word rental but to me there is a question of the payment of
> either
>> > 1) a fixed irreducible monthly fee or
>> > 2) no monthly fee at all and paying only for calls (pay as you go).
>> >
>> > I am not saying what and who is better but as far as I understand it I
> do
>> > not have that second option with Vonage. In other words, taking your
>> > example, I do not have that option paying for just one bus journey. I
>> > just
>> > want to be clear about it.
>> > Thanks
>> > Roman
>
> You have got a wrong end of the stick. I am not that far in my
> understanding
> of the VoIP scene to make any conclusive judgements and I am not making
> them, except that there is no need to top post and shout.
> Roman
>
>
welll perhaps if you had several vonage numbers and used the absolutely
flawless and perfect service you would understand what it all measn.

Dont touch sipgate,gradwell or any of the others with a bargepole.