"Martin²" <never@give.one> wrote in message
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> RH:
>>there is no real alternative to skype for free internet calls, yes you can
>>do it with SIP providers....
>
> Wrong ! You DON'T need any SIP providers, you can make free calls to any
> one with SIP software / equipment just by dialling their IP number.
> Regards,
> Martin

Ok, I have family abroad, I want to chat to them using a VOIP system:

SKYPE : Register and download and RUN (5 minutes or so)

SIP : Download software bang your head against brickwall to configure
software and router, lots of testing needed to make sure it works, then
family needs to find out the IP address they are using (as not static IP)
so eventually it all works really well,

However you are then buggered if more than one person wants to run a system
in the house or someone wants to install at their office at work on a mid
sized lan

(time could be days if trying to get a non technical person to get it
working)