Recently, RH popped out over the fence
around uk.telecom.voip and said...
|Traditional SIP is problematic due to ports which need to be open and
|routing of these ports
|where as SKYPE is designed go through firewall systems.
So, if something exploits a hole or circumvents a protection is good
because it fits your scope? What the h... "I don't care about anything,
I need this and that's it". A responsible and sensible approach, my
compliments.

|Not all universities are against skype being run by students
Name one that's NOT against it.

|> 2) "...skype is esay to support..." = Like early MacOS, everything was
|> concealed to the user "because it's better they don't know". Wrong
|> business model. Open source OS based PCs are outnumbering Macs, and Open
|> Source OSs are around by 1/10th than MacOS.
|I can bet that is probably true with china and a few other countries pushing
|linux, at government level
|but i can think of no one apart from overt techy people who prefer Linux
|over XP, the costs of linux
|can be way higher in terms of costs of time than XP. In regard to Macs this
|is a small market
|limited by hardware choice, IMHO OS X is the best user level OS based on
|unix/linux, like XP it tends to just work, no need to run compile scripts
|just to install a small peiece of software and no need to go round hunting
|web forums trying to find the answers
Missed the point, is the BUSINESS MODEL that's flawed. Let me help you
with another example: Skype is a proprietary application, with an
enclosed user base, with no interaction between it and other Instant
Messengers. Even Yahoo and Microsoft are now letting people on their IMs
to "cross the fence" and talk to each other, whereas Skype doesn't. Oh,
remember that both Yahoo messenger and MSN Messenger DO voice chat, but
none of them pretend to be a VoIP communication system.
Why colossus like Microsoft and Yahoo are "converging" and Skype is
stuck on its own? Can you see the point at the end of the tunnel?
Also, Skype is NOT the cheapest real time voice communication system,
both because the equipment needed is more expensive to own and to run (a
PC, or the latest Skype enabled WiFi terminals) against a router and a
basic wired phone, the calls tariffs aren't cheap either, and the
services are expensive (an incoming landline number is WAY more
expensive on Skype than with the average SIP provider).

|> Skype is an expensive toy (to run securely) and I'm - again - too old to
|> play around.
|> A hundred quid for an all-in-one ADSL VoIP Wireless router (AVM Fritz!
|> Box Fon WLAN) and everything is served: 4 VoIP lines, 2 wired
|> extensions, broadband with traffic shaping, wired / wireless internet
|> throughout the house.
|> I'm using business grade VoIP telephony since August 2005, and a month
|> ago I ditched my landline. Never been happier.
|> Do this with Skype.
|Again you have failed to see the purpose and advantages of skype. I agree
|you have a nice setup which could not easily be done by skype, But I also
|use SKYPE, mainly so people can contact me free of charge but it is also
|great when travelling, If I am staying at a hotel with a wifi connection, I
|can just load up skype and talk, impossible usually with SIP, same if I go
|to friends house or internet cafe, I can usually just run software and go,
|no fiddling with someone elses router.
How could you be so wrong, it's impossible to say. I can do THE SAME
with a free SIP phone software on my laptop wherever you can do your
things with Skype.
The SIP (Session Initiation Protocol) takes care of everything, you
don't have to configure a firewall to go through, except where the
administrator EXPRESSLY is blocking outgoing traffic of any nature.
Any stateful inspection firewall will let your traffic go through
because it's originated FROM a device on the internal side of the
network.
You see, I can do the same as you (actually more than you); I'm a better
user because I was forced to know more; I'm spending less money; I'm
using open standards; I'm more environmentally friendly because my
equipment uses less energy; my equipment is cheaper and more reliable; I
have a redundant service (if a provider is down, there are at least
other three I can use); my three year old daughter is calling her
grandpa in Italy with a push of a button on a basic phone (and doesn't
hurt my pocket).
See my point?

|People have different needs, A multi million pound F1 car has the most
|modern uptodate engine and fancy gearboxes and goes superfast and is
|technically better than a ford focus, But is useless for most drivers needs
|living an average city life. And if skype was such a bad useless product no
|one would be using it
It's not useless, it's just all the hype around it that makes me sick,
like all the fuss with iPods and PS3 and whatever.
Hype, hype and nothing else, based on a sidereal space void.

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