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Old 07-14-2005, 11:34 PM
winged
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Default Re: Death Penalty for Hackers???

Moe Trin wrote:
> In the Usenet newsgroup alt.computer.security, in article
> <db57t0$8b1@dispatch.concentric.net>, winged wrote:
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>>Death penalty for hackers, thinks someone has gone off their nut. We
>>don't even kill folks who kill people deliberately often enough.

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> never mind beheading spammers with a dull rusty uxe.
>
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>>I am more concerned about the arrest of an individual who accessed an
>>open wireless connection. The wireless network was open (i.e. no logon
>>or password required) and the individual who accessed this open
>>connection was accused of "hacking" into the network by the reporter in.

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> From an article in a thread that started 6 July 2005 in the newsgroup
> 'alt.internet.wireless' with a title 'Man Charged With Stealing Wi-Fi
> Signal" (watch the line wrap)
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> ]http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_
> String=&URL=Ch0815/SEC06.HTM&Title=->2003->Ch0815->Section%2006#0815.06
> ]
> ] The very first item is:
> ]
> ] 815.06 Offenses against computer users.--
> ] (1) Whoever willfully, knowingly, and without authorization:
> ] (a) Accesses or causes to be accessed any computer, computer
> ] system, or computer network;
> ]
> ] which covers the illegal access. 2(a) makes it a 3rd degree felony.
> ]
> ] (2)(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) and (c), whoever
> ] violates subsection (1) commits a felony of the third degree,
> ] punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
>
> A Third Degree Felony is punishable by a term of imprisonment not to
> exceed 5 years and a fine not to exceed $5,000.00
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>>I have to wonder what the definition of hacking St Peterburg Times.

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> Don't forget - the "press" has wider interpretations of terms, because they
> have to sell newspapers or air time. Laws on the other hand, are written
> by lawyers for interpretation by lawyers.
>
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>>Makes me wonder if the next time I go to starbucks if I will be
>>arrested. (Though I probably should be for paying 5 bucks for a cup of
>>coffee).

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> No, the $5 charge for a cup of crap coffee is the "punishment".
>
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>>While hacking into a wireless point I would consider wrong, accessing a
>>wide open connection should not be. Carried out to the ultimate lunacy,
>>anyone accessing an http server without explicit permission should be
>>arrested.

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> Again - watch the line wrap
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> ]http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0
> 815/ch0815.htm
> ]
> ]That explains what Florida means by "access".
> ]
> ] 815.03 Definitions.--As used in this chapter, unless the context
> ] clearly indicates otherwise:
> ]
> ] (1) "Access" means to approach, instruct, communicate with, store
> ] data in, retrieve data from, or otherwise make use of any
> ] resources of a computer, computer system, or computer network.
> ]
> ] Egads. One can't even approach a computer in Florida without breaking
> ] the law.
>
> so KEEP YOUR DISTANCE FROM COMPUTERS!!!
>
> Old guy


ahh old guy once again you have the answer. Hang everyone in Florida
immediately. Since they did not define the nearness of approach I think
it should be anyone that has been closer to a computer or a computer
network of a distance of 100 feet.

That will fix the election issues and several other issues in on fell swoop.

Wonderful response. Thanks! Just shows what lawyers and legislators
know about computers and the greater threat of their incompetence.
With this law almost anyone could be arrested at will with cause. It
sounds like more than a few legislators are in need of dancing with
Danny Deaver.

Yeah the coffee is waaaayyy overrated.

Winged

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