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Old 07-10-2005, 11:53 PM
Robert Heiling
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Default Re: Trouble booting now totally out of service

kony wrote:
>
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:19:30 -0700, Robert Heiling
> <robheil@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >The mb with CPU & memory were installed and then the AGP video. Floppy
> >and CD-ROM drives connected.
> >Booting shows (abbreviated):
> >Award Modular Bios v6.00PG 06/21/2002
> >Main Processor: AMD Athlon 1333MHz (s/b 1000Mhz)
> >Memory Testing: 524288K (no problems)
> >
> >Floppy Disks(s) Fail (40) (note: connections all ok)

>
> Does this mean floppies weren't working?


It shows in POST and in Bios, but won't boot a bootable floppy like my
Memtest-86 or Win98 for example.

> Hold off on troubleshooting this though, because of the
> overclocked-CPU potential I'll comment on below.
>
> >Press F1 to continue, DEL to enter Setup
> >06/21/2002-8363-686-IA6LMC5CC-00
> ><pause> F1 <cr>
> >Verifying DMI Pool Data
> >
> >Then it boots into my Knoppix v3.4 CD and shows the splash screen.
> >Attempted continuation fails in the Linux loading process (blanked
> >screen and no CD activity), but Memtest on that same CD gives:
> >Memtest-86 v3.0
> >AMD Athlon 1335MHz
> >L1 cache 128K 8193MB/s
> >L2 cache 256K 2510MB/s
> >Memory 512M 324 MB/s
> >Chipset vt8363
> >etc

>
> It's a 1GHz CPU, yes?


Yes

> I'm surprised that it even POSTs at 1.3GHz, at stock
> voltage.


I'd have thought that it would run very hot, but it's been running only
about 51C even right after Memtest and the hottest I've seen is 53C.

> You are certain the 100MHz FSB jumper is set to 100MHz?


You aren't going to believe this. It has a standard 3 pins for a
2-position jumper with the left 2 pins being jumpered from the factory
or from? Facing the print & jump on the board it says:
1-2 cpu 100MHz
2-3 cpu 133MHz
I believed them and I don't know why I didn't try this before, but
they're lying. I moved the jumper to 2-3 and the cpu now posts as
1000MHz and Memtest-86 shows it as 1002MHz. It's running successful
memtests as I write.

> If so, try clearing CMOS. If it still appears to be at
> 1.3GHz, check the bios menus for a 2nd FSB setting in
> addition to the jumper. Chaintech should NOT have allowed
> that board to ever default to 133FSB no matter what CPU was
> installed, since it uses KT133 instead of KT133A. What
> "probably" happened is that they reused same bios for their
> next-gen (or later revision of same board) that DID have a
> KT133A chipset and so did support 133FSB CPUs.


That's really some mistake they made with those jumpers! The manual page
doesn't even look like it. "CPU Bus Frequency (SW4) This switch allows
you to select between 100MHz FSB or 133MHz FSB frequency speed (then a
chart, formatting may be off)
SW4 1 2 3 4
100MHz off on off off
133MHz off off off off

So we can see that they were a bit confused<vbg>

> >> If necessary (and possible) adjust bios settings or onboard
> >> jumpers to accomodate your CPU- keeping in mind that KT133
> >> (non-"A") does not support 133FSB (I dont recall the
> >> particularly of your system at this time and I'd deleted the
> >> original post).

> >
> >Not sure what to do there. What was kept from the old system was Athlon
> >1GHz CPU and 512MB PC-133 memory and ATI-Radeon AGP card + case & power
> >supply from the old PC Chips M805LR mATX system.

>
> Making sure the FSB is correct is a manditory first step.
> Myriad other false-errors may be reported while the CPU is
> so overclocked (at stock voltage, though maybe either way).
>
> >
> >> Install floppy drive and run memtest86 to confirm memory
> >> stability. Memtest86 will display the CPU frequency too
> >> even if the BIOS POST screen misidentifies the CPU. Trust
> >> memtest86's report over the BIOS report, BUT also you can
> >> later run a windows CPU ID tool to confirm operational
> >> frequency. For example, "WCPUID" would tell you, as would
> >> "CPU-Z", http://www.cpuid.org/download/cpu-z-129.zip

> >
> >It's all quite flaky. Instead of going into Memtest it sometimes gives
> >"unexpected interrupt - halting". In one case, Memtest was going well
> >and then started to fail. In most every other case. it has been failing
> >on every memory address. I'm holding off on trying another 128MB stick,
> >which is probably good, at the moment as the fault may not be with
> >memory
> >itself?

>
> Ignore memory errors for the time being and only use memtest
> to check CPU speed, till it reports that at correct 100FSB.
> Look around for jumpers for memory too, perhaps one for
> memory at 100MHz or at 133MHz- and set it to 100MHz for the
> time being, perhaps permanently. Again there may be a bios
> (menued) setting for this even with a jumper.


It's looking good now! Thanks as always for the great help!

It's running Knoppix now which all loaded off the Primary IDE so that's
probably ok & ready for a HD. I was chasing that floppy error message,
but the only advice I've found so far was to check connections or
replace the drive<lol>. That may also be a Bios setting that didn't work
right when it was overclocked and will now. That needs some
experimenting. I also need to buy an ethernet card. The old board has a
small pcb card with the RJ-45 jack for the rear and a small ribbon cable
with plug onto the motherboard. This board has no place to plug it, so
I'll pop the five bucks for a pci ethernet card. :-)

Thanks again!

Bob

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