jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On 25 Feb, 02:18, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> jameshanle...@yahoo.co.uk wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> jameshanle...@yahoo.co.uk wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> jameshanle...@yahoo.co.uk wrote
>>>>>>> Jethro <Wil...@somewhere.org> wrote
>>>>>>>> I notice there is always a great disparity between stated hard
>>>>>>>> drive capacity and actual usable capacity after formatting.
>>>>>>>> Is there a chart or other paper anywhere showing maybe
>>>>>>>> comparisons of this between drives, and maybe an explanation
>>>>>>>> of why and how it happens?
>>>>>>> the relationship between a megabyte( 2^20) and an approximation
>>>>>>> of the megabyte, (10^6), is a factor of 1.048576.
>>>>>>> Meaning that to get from one to the other, you multiply or
>>>>>>> divide by
>>>>>>> 1.048576 A megabyte is 1,048,576 bytes. The Approximation is
>>>>>>> 1,000,000. Somtimes one is called the binary megabyte and the
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> the decimal megabyte, but it's not a different number system.
>>>>>> It is actually, different base.
>>>>>>> The approximation or decimal megabyte is just using 10^ instead
>>>>>>> of 2^.
>>>>>> So its a different number system.
>>>>> No,
>>>> Fraid so.
>>> what is the point your style?
>>
>> What is the point of yours ?
>>
>>> I go on to explain why it's not a different number system.
>>
>> And I went on to explain why its not and rubbed your nose in what a
>> number base actually is.
>>
>>> You just deny everything.
>>
>> Bare faced lie.
>>
>>>>> 2^x cannot even be binary. The number 2 doesn't even exist in
>>>>> binary.
>>>> Utterly mangled and completely irrelevant to which base is used.
>>> I am clear in telling you what I mean.
>>
>> Pity that is utterly mangled and completely irrelevant to which base
>> is used.
>>
>>>>> Perhaps the term base has 2 meanings.
>>>>> Base^Exponent, and base as in number system.
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_system
>>>>> But Binary - as far as I know - only applies to number systems,
>>>>> and
>>>>> that is the term I use here. It is in that context that I use the
>>>>> word base.
>>>> And you can have any base you like in that context.
>>> Yes, and in that context you can't write 2 and call it binary.
>>
>> Wrong. That is the common description of a base 2 number system.
>>
>>> I don't know what from that wikipedia article contradicts me.
>>
>> Its rubbing your nose in the fact that you havent got a clue about
>> what a number system actually is.
>>
>>>>>>> The 10^6 figure is a smaller unit.. So more of it are used to
>>>>>>> equal a corresponding amount of the the 'binary megabyte', which
>>>>>>> is a larger unit. "they say" that Hard Drive marketting people
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> the 'decimal megabyte' because it sounds better, larger numbers.
>>>>>> Only the pig ignorant fools. Its the SI standard, legally
>>>>>> required in many countrys.
>>>>> Were they to not use the SI standard, and to use
>>>>> [what you deny to be] the standard meaning in computing,
>>>> The binary form is nothing like the standard meaning in computing.
>>>> The decimal form is mostly whats used in computing, most
>>>> obviously with cpu speeds, comms speeds, etc etc etc .
>>> I don't mean that the binary form is used in all aspects of
>>> computer talk.
>>
>> It isnt used when stating the capacity of the hard drive either.
>>
>>> My email address has the numbers 3 and 9 in it, yet it
>>> isn't jameshanley00111001 (those are two nibbles).
>>
>> Irrelevant to how the capacity of hard drives is universally stated.
>>
>>>> Its only MEMORY that has an intrinsically binary organisation
>>>> where the binary form is in fact commonly used.
>>> I know a little about addressing memory and
>>> nothing about addressing data on a hard drive.
>>
>> Each sector has a logical block number. Nothing
>> intrinsically binary in the organisation of the sectors.
>>
>>> Perhaps there's some kind of binary thinking in the organisation
>>> of one that isn't in the organisation of the other. But addresses
>>> are stored in binary, whether in memory or on a hard drive. In
>>> Bytes.
>>
>> Irrelevant to the LBA which is just a linear number of the sectors
>> on the drive.
>>
>>>>> then I am not convinced that they'd be sued for
>>>>> understating the specification of their product.
>>>> More fool you.
>>> Were it to happen, I wouldn't be "fooled". Fool implies victim.
>>
>> No it doesnt. Its just a foolish conviction in this case.
>>
>>> I couldn't care less. I may be amused though.
>>
>> Irrelevant to whether that conviction is foolish.
>>
>>>>>> Its the binary gigabyte that makes no sense with something
>>>>>> like a hard drive which isnt intrinsically binary organised.
>>>>>> And the 1.44MB floppy is actually a weird binary/decimal hybrid.
>>>>> I haven't read about how they organise their data, but
>>>>> electronics knows HIGHS and LOWS, ACTIVE or Not.
>>>>> At the lowest level, it appears to me to be binary.
>>>> The lowest level is completely irrelevant. Clearly cpu speeds have
>>>> never been stated using binary multipliers, even tho they are
>>>> certainly digital devices.-
>>> neither cpu speed nor multipliers are measured in Megabytes.
>>
>> The Mega and Giga PREFIXES are used when stating the cpu speed.
>>
>>> (And I suppose that neither are even stored in binary, except
>>> perhaps
>>> for the sake of the human techie to see those values in the BIOS)
>>> I was referring to Megabytes.
>>
>> What was being discussed was the Mega and Giga PREFIXES.
>>
>>> Not to all numbers used while discussing computers
>>
>> Pathetic.

> why don't you just stick all your comments at the end.

Because it makes more sense to comment on specific bits of your original instead.

> you've written absolute rubbish.

Wota stunningly rational line of arguement you have there.

> To say that 2^3 is binary is as stupid as saying that 9^2 is not decimal (saying it's base 9).

Pathetic, really.

> And this thread was not talking about GHz, but Megabytes.

Its actually talking about GBs.

> And if you measure Megabyte as 2^20 as is done,
> it doesn't mean the number is in binary.

Wrong, as always.

> If you'd ever read of how computers store floating point numbers

Did that before you were ever born thanks.

> then you'd know. It's along the lines of converting the mantissa
> and exponent into binary. Because they are not in binary.

Pathetic, really.

> I'm sure you know this, but we seem to be having a communication problem.

Yep, the problem is your ear to ear dog shit.

> It's your "style" that's the problem.

Have fun explaining how come kony keeps pointing out your stupiditys too.

> So go on, break the whole post up with comments after
> every single line repeating the same denials and dismissive
> buzzwords that have become your rotten trademark.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.