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Re: Another big finger from Verizon to would be Droid customers -extra high monthly rates
On Nov 4, 4:10*pm, No multi touch for sluggish Droid- “There's A
Lawsuit For That ...” AT&T Sues Verizon Over New TV Ads
<vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The question is why are Droid users left out in the cold by Verizon
> and Motorola in the USA.
> You can download apps all day long that add 'mullti touch" as a
> featreu but it will not benefit you at all with the key core apps sold
> to you with the crippleware Droid.
>
> Face it, it is a big bag of hurt when you could have made a more
> intelligent choice for a pain free Smart Phone with a 99% user
> satisfaction rating.
> Even the resale value on bailing out of the Droid will be painful
> compared to the high resale value of the iPhone.
It seems very sloppy to “have multitouch capabilty” but not make it
work in the most used applications.
Imagine in Windows if you had to right click in some apps but left
click in others. It would be crazy. Yet android releases 2.0 with base
apps void of the function. Pretty inconsistent and sloppy which will
lead to unnecessary frustration for a Verizon Droid user.
it is more accurate to say the Doid lacks 'Pinch and Zoom', the
hardware does support multitouch. It just doesn't have the nice iPhone
UI designed for touch screens.
Pinch & Zoom is incredibly handy. I use it on my iPhone all the time
when I’m browsing. A lot of times I’ll be on a website with a link I
want to click, but it’s in the middle of a dozen other links that I do
not want to click, and my finger just can’t get in there to hit the
right one because the text is too small. So I pinch-zoom in and voila,
problem solved. If I had to double-tap to zoom, I might hit the wrong
link and then waste time loading the wrong page, backing out to the
previous page, and then trying to double-tap zoom again.
What is the point of paying big bucks to use the nations most over
rated network when they can only offer you a device that will waste
your time trying to get the right web page all the time?
Re: Another big finger from Verizon to would be Droid customers -extra high monthly rates
On Nov 4, 4:10*pm, No multi touch for sluggish Droid- “There's A
Lawsuit For That ...” AT&T Sues Verizon Over New TV Ads
<vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The question is why are Droid users left out in the cold by Verizon
> and Motorola in the USA.
> You can download apps all day long that add 'mullti touch" as a
> featreu but it will not benefit you at all with the key core apps sold
> to you with the crippleware Droid.
>
> Face it, it is a big bag of hurt when you could have made a more
> intelligent choice for a pain free Smart Phone with a 99% user
> satisfaction rating.
> Even the resale value on bailing out of the Droid will be painful
> compared to the high resale value of the iPhone.
It seems very sloppy to “have multitouch capabilty” but not make it
work in the most used applications.
Imagine in Windows if you had to right click in some apps but left
click in others. It would be crazy. Yet android releases 2.0 with base
apps void of the function. Pretty inconsistent and sloppy which will
lead to unnecessary frustration for a Verizon Droid user.
it is more accurate to say the Doid lacks 'Pinch and Zoom', the
hardware does support multitouch. It just doesn't have the nice iPhone
UI designed for touch screens.
Pinch & Zoom is incredibly handy. I use it on my iPhone all the time
when I’m browsing. A lot of times I’ll be on a website with a link I
want to click, but it’s in the middle of a dozen other links that I do
not want to click, and my finger just can’t get in there to hit the
right one because the text is too small. So I pinch-zoom in and voila,
problem solved. If I had to double-tap to zoom, I might hit the wrong
link and then waste time loading the wrong page, backing out to the
previous page, and then trying to double-tap zoom again.
What is the point of paying big bucks to use the nations most over
rated network when they can only offer you a device that will waste
your time trying to get the right web page all the time?
Re: Another big finger from Verizon to would be Droid customers - extra high monthly rates
"Bill Sanderson" <bill_sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote in message
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> "Conroy" <conroy.news@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:efbbf141-8217-45b7-a9f9-640af9a8efd9@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Also, all data for personal accounts will cost $30/month:
>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2355249,00.asp
>
> I'm not convinced this one has it right either--do businesses using
> Iphones or Smartphones really pony up 50% more than they would for
> personal accounts for the same service? This doesn't seem like something
> they would take kindly to doing.
I'm not sure it's enforced on iPhones any longer (it was "news" when the
original iPhone just launched, but I haven't heard any complaints about it
in a while), but on this chart:
<http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/popups/general/available-data-rate-plans.jsp#pda?wtLinkName=Smartphone&wtLinkLoc=BDY> ,
it's the first plan listed: "PDA Enterprise." Like the similar Verizon
plan, the chart claims it's necessary for "Microsoft Direct Push" (aka
Exchange Activesync) which it isn't, but does seem to be required for AT&T's
"middleware" solutions like Good Messaging.
In reality, I suspect these plans are also designed to recapture lost
revenue from corporate discounts. When a wireless carrier offers a large
volume customer like the Federal Government or a Big Corporation a 30-40%
discount, slapping on a $45 data plan instead of a $30 allows them to get
the $30 or so they really want for the data plan, instead of the $20 or so
they'd have left after the discounts are applied to the standard $30 plan.
Besides, if cellular users have accepted that "unlimited" smartphone data
plans are more expensive than "unlimited" dumbphone data plans because
smartphones, on average, consume more data, why not extend that logic to
corporate plans, since business users probably, on average, use more data
than consumers? We, as cellular consumers seem to have accepted "device
profiling" as de rigeur. Imagine if, instead, they profiled _users_ instead
of devices: say, by offering unlimited texting to teenagers for $30/month,
adults for $15, and seniors for $5. I wonder if we'd take it in stride as
easily?
Verzion's advertzing and fanboys suck you in and when you find out you
have a POS you are out almost $400 to break your Droid contract!
This is a new low in cellular contracts in the USA!
"Starting on November 15th Verizon will be charging up to $350 as an
early termination fee on “advanced devices.” This new “improved” fee
does have a minute silver lining (if you can even say that): for every
month of service completed, the $350 sum will decrease by $10. No word
yet on what an “advanced device” constitutes but we can use our
imaginations to figure it out. What do you think? Anyone considering
abandoning plans to buy the DROID after hearing this news, or are you
just going to get yours before November 15th? Or will you actually be
an honest person and actually honor the contract you sign?"
What happens if you get sick, divorced, or loose your job? How warm
and friendly will that little Droid look to you then?
Suppose Verizon does get a new and improved iPhone next year. Will you
love being locked into a Droid since it will cost you $350 to just get
out out of the contract? Suppose their is a new and improve Android,
will you be able to afford paying $350 plus the cost of the new phone
for the better product with another $350 termnation fee?
Re: Another big finger from Verizon to would be Droid customers - extra high monthly rates
<vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:71b676fd-476b-4397-8596-a10d54d3c842@u8g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...
> It seems very sloppy to “have multitouch capabilty” but not make it
> work in the most used applications.
>
> Imagine in Windows if you had to right click in some apps but left
> click in others. It would be crazy. Yet android releases 2.0 with base
> apps void of the function. Pretty inconsistent and sloppy which will
> lead to unnecessary frustration for a Verizon Droid user.
Again, "Android" doesn't support multi-touch out of the box. Motorola has
added multitouch to the Droid without creating a systemwide interface for
it. Any inconsistancy is on Motorola. Arguably, they only implemented
multitouch to allow "checkbox" comparisons with the iPhone.
> it is more accurate to say the Doid lacks 'Pinch and Zoom', the
> hardware does support multitouch. It just doesn't have the nice iPhone
> UI designed for touch screens.
So? Android supports single touch zoom in/out gestures. So what if it
doesn't match the iPhone UI? It's a different OS and has a different UI.
Besides, I suspect the Android devs will hack pinch/zoom on it within a few
weeks just like they added it to the original T-Mobile G1 Android phone for
those who really want it.
> Pinch & Zoom is incredibly handy. I use it on my iPhone all the time
> when I’m browsing. A lot of times I’ll be on a website with a link I
> want to click, but it’s in the middle of a dozen other links that I do
> not want to click, and my finger just can’t get in there to hit the
> right one because the text is too small. So I pinch-zoom in and voila,
> problem solved. If I had to double-tap to zoom, I might hit the wrong
> link and then waste time loading the wrong page, backing out to the
> previous page, and then trying to double-tap zoom again.
If you used a different phone, you'd use the correct gestures for it,
instead of the ones you had to learn for the iPhone, just like making a left
turn in a boat or an airplane requires a slightly different procedure than
making a left turn in a car.
> What is the point of paying big bucks to use the nations most over
> rated network when they can only offer you a device that will waste
> your time trying to get the right web page all the time?
Ask the 80 million people using that network. I still can't figure out why
more of the 150 million of you using AT&T and Verizon don't use Sprint or
T-Mobile and save $20-30/month! Is that extra 5% coverage worth that much
to you?
<vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Confirmed: Verizon Wireless to charge up to $350 early termination on
> “advanced devices”
>
> <http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/11/04/confirmed-verizon-wireless-to-charge-up-to-350-early-termination-on-advanced-devices/>
>
> Do you realize how much that Droid si really going to cost you?
Seeing how AT&T and Verizon continually copy each other's moves, how long do
you think it'll be before AT&T mimics that policy? AT&T must be at least a
little tired of people buying an iPhone for $100-200 then paying $200 to
break their two-year contract after a month and using it on T-Mobile. An
estimated 1 million iPhones are on T-Mo right now, vs. roughly 7 or 8
million on AT&T. T-Mo must be laughing hard that the iPhone is probably one
of their most popular handsets and they didn't pay one cent to Apple in
subsidies, or a single dollar in iPhone advertising.
There's a decent chance that the iPhone may have helped inspire the new
extra-cheap no-subsidy plans T-Mo started offering last week. If you pay
full price for a phone, or bring your own GSM phone, you can get unlimited
"everything" (talk, text and web) for $79. 500 anytime minutes voice (free
M2M and N&W), unlimited text and unlimited web is $59, $10 less than AT&T's
cheapest iPhone plan with no messaging. Or, you and your iPhone could bathe
in Oxford's ubiquitous WiFi and take a voice-only plan for $29.
Sure, you'd give up 3G speed and have to settle for EDGE (something the
original fanboys like you and Oxford continually told us wasn't a hardship
way back in 2007 when the original iPhone "didn't need 3G"!) but you'd save
a bundle, and even get tech support from T-Mo's ironically named
"Unsupported Devices" support team!
Better grab those 3Gs and 3GSes now before AT&T matches Verizon's new ETF
and you can still get them for only $300-400 after cancelling.
> I just read a report that BlackBerries and the iPhone now totally own
> the Smartphone market. All the rest of the so called smart phone
> manufactures posted bad or declining results in the third quarter.
>
>
Good ol' Vic. Drinkin' that Apple KoolAid laced with vodka....
Re: Another big finger from Verizon to would be Droid customers -extra high monthly rates
On 2009-11-04, Bill Sanderson <bill_sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote:
> "Conroy" <conroy.news@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:efbbf141-8217-45b7-a9f9-640af9a8efd9@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> Droid has multitouch.
>> The integrated web browser does not have multitouch (yet).
>>
>> http://phandroid.com/2009/11/03/moto...d-multi-touch/
>>
>> Also, all data for personal accounts will cost $30/month:
>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2355249,00.asp
>
> I'm not convinced this one has it right either--do businesses using Iphones
> or Smartphones really pony up 50% more than they would for personal accounts
> for the same service? This doesn't seem like something they would take
> kindly to doing.
I'm not sure that article is correct, but I don't think it is the same
service that you're paying 50% more for. I think the $15 and $30/month
data plans (at both AT&T and Verizon) are NATed, so applications which are
damaged by NAT won't work. The $45 and $60/month data plans (at both AT&T
and Verizon) give the terminal public IP addresses.
Of course there are very few applications which won't work behind a
NAT box but some types of VPNs have trouble with that, which I guess
might be why the $45/month service is a "corporate" service.
Re: Confirmed: Verizon Wireless to charge up to $350 early termination on=?iso-8859-1?Q?=93advanceddevices=94?=
At 04 Nov 2009 19:57:26 -0800 Scott in SoCal wrote:
> <vic.healey@gmail.com> said:
>
> >Confirmed: Verizon Wireless to charge up to $350 early termination on
> >“advanced devices”
> >
> >http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/...izon-wireless-
to-charge-up-to-350-early-termination-on-advanced-devices/
>
> That's simply astounding. VZW just lost a big class action lawsuit
> over their asinine Early Termination Fees.
>
> When will they ever learn?
I have no problem with EFTs if they are a quid pro quo for a subsidy.
You get a $500-600 phone for $100-200, and a contracct with EFT is
perfectly fair, IMO. My problem is the contract/EFT for changing rate
plans or other non-subsidy related reasons.
Re: Another big finger from Verizon to would be Droid customers -extra high monthly rates
Dennis Ferguson wrote:
> On 2009-11-04, Bill Sanderson <bill_sanderson@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote:
>> "Conroy" <conroy.news@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:efbbf141-8217-45b7-a9f9-640af9a8efd9@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>> Droid has multitouch.
>>> The integrated web browser does not have multitouch (yet).
>>>
>>> http://phandroid.com/2009/11/03/moto...d-multi-touch/
>>>
>>> Also, all data for personal accounts will cost $30/month:
>>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2355249,00.asp
>> I'm not convinced this one has it right either--do businesses using Iphones
>> or Smartphones really pony up 50% more than they would for personal accounts
>> for the same service? This doesn't seem like something they would take
>> kindly to doing.
>
> I'm not sure that article is correct, but I don't think it is the same
> service that you're paying 50% more for. I think the $15 and $30/month
> data plans (at both AT&T and Verizon) are NATed, so applications which are
> damaged by NAT won't work. The $45 and $60/month data plans (at both AT&T
> and Verizon) give the terminal public IP addresses.
You get an IP from a routable address block on VZWs $30 plan.
>
> Of course there are very few applications which won't work behind a
> NAT box but some types of VPNs have trouble with that, which I guess
> might be why the $45/month service is a "corporate" service.
>
> Dennis Ferguson
Re: Confirmed: Verizon Wireless to charge up to $350 early termination
Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 04 Nov 2009 19:57:26 -0800 Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> <vic.healey@gmail.com> said:
>>
>>> Confirmed: Verizon Wireless to charge up to $350 early termination on
>>> “advanced devices”
>>>
>>> http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/...izon-wireless-
> to-charge-up-to-350-early-termination-on-advanced-devices/
>> That's simply astounding. VZW just lost a big class action lawsuit
>> over their asinine Early Termination Fees.
>>
>> When will they ever learn?
>
>
> I have no problem with EFTs if they are a quid pro quo for a subsidy.
> You get a $500-600 phone for $100-200, and a contracct with EFT is
> perfectly fair, IMO. My problem is the contract/EFT for changing rate
> plans or other non-subsidy related reasons.
>
>
Re: Another big finger from Verizon to would be Droid customers -extra high monthly rates
Todd All-cock answered:
> At 03 Nov 2009 17:30:00 -0500 Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>
>> What the hell is "OBEX". First time I've heard of it.
>
>
> It's the ability to transfer files from one device to another wirelessly
> via bluetooth. (IIRC, it stands for "OBject EXchange")
>
> Traditionally, Verizon used to omit it rom their phones to encourage
> (force?) customers to use MMS to send pictures from camera phones to
> computers, or to purchase ringtones and wallpapers from Verizon for their
> phones rather than "beam" them from a PC for free.
Hey dickhead, I've been able to do that for quite some time on my Iphone
using the App Ibluetooth
Re: Another big finger from Verizon to would be Droid customers -extra high monthly rates
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 08:49:09 -0500, Todd Allcock <elecconnec@anoospaml.com> wrote:
> ...
> Having said that, fair is fair. Every ad I see from AT&T trumpeting
> their "nationwide 3G network" has a tiny little disclaimer at the bottom
> that says "Not available in all areas." Well, Verizon just pointed those
> areas out!
New third-grade school-child riddle:
"Why's a 3G network that's not available in all areas said to be nationwide?"
"'Cuz at&t said so, that's why."
Cheers, -- tlvp
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