Everyone knew the iPhone was a success, but wow!

In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past
Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North
America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by
Symbian.

That puts the iPhone ahead of smartphones running Symbian, Linux, and
the Palm OS, but behind the first place RIM BlackBerry. The figures mesh
with retail sales data already reported by NPD, which similarly
described the size of the US market with a 27% chunk bit out by Apple¹s
iPhone.

Full details and a nice chart can be located here:

http://snipurl.com/1vatb

Enjoy!

The iPhone is freakishly well done, if you don't have one yet, you will
in a matter of time.

Congrats to Apple for finally setting the Cell World in the correct
direction. Cell companies are notorious for foisting poor quality
handset on their users, so it's good to see Apple has stepped in to up
the bar by 200+ levels.

Apple will be the largest handset maker within 5 years... you can bank
on it. All because the poor management that currently exists within the
Cell Industry. Zero competition within the cell industry has made an
easy entry point for Apple to exploit.

http://www.iphone.com/

Learn to develop for the most popular cell phone here:

http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/

-

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:34:12 -0700, Mark Thompson
<markt@earthlink.net> wrote:
>In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past
>Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North
>America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by
>Symbian.

WHAT????

A NOKIA IPHONE?????

that's really hot news ;-)

On Dec 14, 6:34 pm, Mark Thompson <ma...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past
> Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North
> America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by
> Symbian.
>
> That puts the iPhone ahead of smartphones running Symbian, Linux, and
> the Palm OS, but behind the first place RIM BlackBerry. The figures mesh
> with retail sales data already reported by NPD, which similarly
> described the size of the US market with a 27% chunk bit out by Apple¹s
> iPhone.
>
> Full details and a nice chart can be located here:
>
> http://snipurl.com/1vatb
>
> Enjoy!
>
> The iPhone is freakishly well done, if you don't have one yet, you will
> in a matter of time.
>
> Congrats to Apple for finally setting the Cell World in the correct
> direction. Cell companies are notorious for foisting poor quality
> handset on their users, so it's good to see Apple has stepped in to up
> the bar by 200+ levels.
>
> Apple will be the largest handset maker within 5 years... you can bank
> on it. All because the poor management that currently exists within the
> Cell Industry. Zero competition within the cell industry has made an
> easy entry point for Apple to exploit.
>
> http://www.iphone.com/
>
> Learn to develop for the most popular cell phone here:
>
> http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/
>
> -

Another thing is that GSM adoption is expanding in North, Central and
South America which will continue the success of the GSM format Apple
choose to support over CDMA. Verizon is begining to test converting
their phone system to GSM as already noted.

IMHO if you put big bucks in a CDMA phone you better figure it will be
worth nothing in a few years. That should be no problem for most
people who throw them away anyway as most are pieces of junk compared
to the iPhone.

Here is the link about cellular future in the WEST.
http://www.3gamericas.org/English/ne...?id=3137&s=ENG

or today's comment on the above at phonescoop
http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=2599

Mark Thompson <markt@earthlink.net> wrote in news:markt-
C0CE51.16341214122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net:

> In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past
> Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North
> America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by
> Symbian.
>

That's funny- Microsoft doesn't have a lineup of phones. In fact,
Microsoft doesn't sell a single phone.

Oxtard and his sockpuppets need to get an education.

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
news:e0c95598-9143-4ec7-906d-875f9aa5185f@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com:


>> -
>
> Another thing is that GSM adoption is expanding in North, Central and
> South America which will continue the success of the GSM format Apple
> choose to support over CDMA. Verizon is begining to test converting
> their phone system to GSM as already noted.
>

The platform that Verizon is looking at is much more like the CDMA platform
than the GSM platform currently in use.

Mark Thompson wrote:
> In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past
> Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North
> America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by
> Symbian.
<SNIP>

Is this Oxtard forgetting to use his alias?


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Oxtard sock puppet alert!!


"Mark Thompson" <markt@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:markt-C0CE51.16341214122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
> In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past
> Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North
> America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by
> Symbian.
>
> That puts the iPhone ahead of smartphones running Symbian, Linux, and
> the Palm OS, but behind the first place RIM BlackBerry. The figures mesh
> with retail sales data already reported by NPD, which similarly
> described the size of the US market with a 27% chunk bit out by Apple¹s
> iPhone.
>
> Full details and a nice chart can be located here:
>
> http://snipurl.com/1vatb
>
> Enjoy!
>
> The iPhone is freakishly well done, if you don't have one yet, you will
> in a matter of time.
>
> Congrats to Apple for finally setting the Cell World in the correct
> direction. Cell companies are notorious for foisting poor quality
> handset on their users, so it's good to see Apple has stepped in to up
> the bar by 200+ levels.
>
> Apple will be the largest handset maker within 5 years... you can bank
> on it. All because the poor management that currently exists within the
> Cell Industry. Zero competition within the cell industry has made an
> easy entry point for Apple to exploit.
>
> http://www.iphone.com/
>
> Learn to develop for the most popular cell phone here:
>
> http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/
>
> -
>

Ness-Net wrote:
> Oxtard sock puppet alert!!
>
>
> "Mark Thompson" <markt@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:markt-C0CE51.16341214122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>> In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past
>> Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North
>> America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by
>> Symbian.
>>
>> That puts the iPhone ahead of smartphones running Symbian, Linux, and
>> the Palm OS, but behind the first place RIM BlackBerry. The figures mesh
>> with retail sales data already reported by NPD, which similarly
>> described the size of the US market with a 27% chunk bit out by Apple¹s
>> iPhone.
>>
>> Full details and a nice chart can be located here:
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/1vatb
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> The iPhone is freakishly well done, if you don't have one yet, you will
>> in a matter of time.
>>
>> Congrats to Apple for finally setting the Cell World in the correct
>> direction. Cell companies are notorious for foisting poor quality
>> handset on their users, so it's good to see Apple has stepped in to up
>> the bar by 200+ levels.
>>
>> Apple will be the largest handset maker within 5 years... you can bank
>> on it. All because the poor management that currently exists within the
>> Cell Industry. Zero competition within the cell industry has made an
>> easy entry point for Apple to exploit.
>>
>> http://www.iphone.com/
>>
>> Learn to develop for the most popular cell phone here:
>>
>> http://developer.apple.com/iphone/devcenter/
>>
>> -
>>
>
Microsoft, Apple, Symbian, don't act stupid guys, u all get the point,
or maybe u don't...

"CozmicDebris" <isheforreal> wrote in message
news:Xns9A06D46C81CE2isheforreal@216.196.97.136...
> 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:e0c95598-9143-4ec7-906d-875f9aa5185f@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>> -
>>
>> Another thing is that GSM adoption is expanding in North, Central and
>> South America which will continue the success of the GSM format Apple
>> choose to support over CDMA. Verizon is begining to test converting
>> their phone system to GSM as already noted.
>>
>
> The platform that Verizon is looking at is much more like the CDMA
> platform
> than the GSM platform currently in use.

I'd say this is not as simple - either way.

Now, even though UTRAN LTE (which is what's we're talking about here) is
more tightly coupled (and developed by) with 3GPP (than 3GPP2), it is
planned to also offer interworking between LTE (in addition to GSM and
WCDMA) and 3GPP2 (CDMA) systems. I'd guess this is important to say, for
example VZW (Verizon Wireless).

For more information on UTRAN LTE , one place to start could be the 3GPP
pages, see http://www.3gpp.org/Highlights/LTE/LTE.htm

-and how many shares of Apple are you holding?


"Mark Thompson" <markt@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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"Mark Thompson" <markt@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past

As long as I have to use the Stinkular network, you can keep your Iphone.

On Dec 16, 3:42 pm, "LHA" <nob...@nobody1.com1> wrote:
> "Mark Thompson" <ma...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> news:markt-C0CE51.16341214122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>
> > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past
>
> As long as I have to use the Stinkular network, you can keep your Iphone.

If Verizon had the iPhone they would cripple it so much it wouldn't be
the success it is.

Dennis

Yep... for starters, they'd call it the vPhone. ;-)

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"DennisC" <dennis_crowley@charter.net> wrote in message
news:0cb8ea25-1afe-44eb-96f4-6ba471f8c19c@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 16, 3:42 pm, "LHA" <nob...@nobody1.com1> wrote:
>> "Mark Thompson" <ma...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:markt-C0CE51.16341214122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>>
>> > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past
>>
>> As long as I have to use the Stinkular network, you can keep your Iphone.
>
> If Verizon had the iPhone they would cripple it so much it wouldn't be
> the success it is.
>
> Dennis

DennisC <dennis_crowley@charter.net> wrote in
news:0cb8ea25-1afe-44eb-96f4-6ba471f8c19c@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 16, 3:42 pm, "LHA" <nob...@nobody1.com1> wrote:
>> "Mark Thompson" <ma...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:markt-C0CE51.16341214122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>>
>> > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed
>> > past
>>
>> As long as I have to use the Stinkular network, you can keep your
>> Iphone.
>
> If Verizon had the iPhone they would cripple it so much it wouldn't be
> the success it is.
>
> Dennis

How much more crippled could it be and still be worth buying?

In article <kpW9j.36555$D44.7784@trnddc04>, Xxxxx
<Not_gonna_give@all.com> wrote:

> Yep... for starters, they'd call it the vPhone. ;-)

And they'd have to cripple it.

On Dec 18, 8:14 pm, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
> DennisC <dennis_crow...@charter.net> wrote innews:0cb8ea25-1afe-44eb-96f4-6ba471f8c19c@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Dec 16, 3:42 pm, "LHA" <nob...@nobody1.com1> wrote:
> >> "Mark Thompson" <ma...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:markt-C0CE51.16341214122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>
> >> > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed
> >> > past
>
> >> As long as I have to use the Stinkular network, you can keep your
> >> Iphone.
>
> > If Verizon had the iPhone they would cripple it so much it wouldn't be
> > the success it is.
>
> > Dennis
>
> How much more crippled could it be and still be worth buying?

Look at the Voyager for your answer. People buy that because they
can't get an iPhone from Verizon. If you happen to live in the vast
areas of this country where you can't even get an EVDO signal from
Verizon you will find all their phones are crippled by having to use
the butt ugly slow Verizon 1 RX. Network.

The Voyager is crippled even more since it can not connect to WIFI in
these areas. This is a real bummer for students who usually are
covered by WIFI on most college campuses.

At 18 Dec 2007 22:08:16 -0800 Mr. Strat wrote:

> > Yep... for starters, they'd call it the vPhone. ;-)
>
> And they'd have to cripple it.


How true. They'd probably remove all bluetooth support except headset
profile, disallow it's use as a cellular modem, and prevent buying music
via iTunes via cellular...

....Hey! Wait a minute,...

4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1302a1cd-9517-4956-a098-488506afa29f@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 18, 8:14 pm, CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote:
>> DennisC <dennis_crow...@charter.net> wrote
>> innews:0cb8ea25-1afe-44eb-96f4-6ba471f8c19c@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.c
>> om:
>>
>> > On Dec 16, 3:42 pm, "LHA" <nob...@nobody1.com1> wrote:
>> >> "Mark Thompson" <ma...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:markt-C0CE51.16341214122007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>>
>> >> > In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already
>> >> > climbed past
>>
>> >> As long as I have to use the Stinkular network, you can keep your
>> >> Iphone.
>>
>> > If Verizon had the iPhone they would cripple it so much it wouldn't
>> > be the success it is.
>>
>> > Dennis
>>
>> How much more crippled could it be and still be worth buying?
>
> Look at the Voyager for your answer. People buy that because they
> can't get an iPhone from Verizon. If you happen to live in the vast
> areas of this country where you can't even get an EVDO signal from
> Verizon you will find all their phones are crippled by having to use
> the butt ugly slow Verizon 1 RX. Network.
>
> The Voyager is crippled even more since it can not connect to WIFI in
> these areas. This is a real bummer for students who usually are
> covered by WIFI on most college campuses.
>

And how does any of that comment on the list of features that you so
conveniently clipped?

GPS
Voice Dialing
PUSH email syncing
Limited web capapbility- not all media formats supported.

Your wifi argument is lame- the chances of findng EVDO in a rural area is
no worse than finding a wifi hotspot.

The Voyager has more functionality than the iPhone, which is ridiculously
funny considering the fact that it is tied to most locked down network on
the planet.

Mark Thompson wrote:
> In its first full quarter of sales, the iPhone has already climbed past
> Microsoft¹s entire lineup of Windows Mobile smartphones in North
> America, according to figures compiled by Canalys and published by
> Symbian.


Wow, I also hear McDonalds sold the most burgers.

On Dec 19, 10:58 am, Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AmericaOnLine.com>
wrote:
> At 18 Dec 2007 22:08:16 -0800 Mr. Strat wrote:
>
> > > Yep... for starters, they'd call it the vPhone. ;-)
>
> > And they'd have to cripple it.
>
> How true. They'd probably remove all bluetooth support except headset
> profile, disallow it's use as a cellular modem, and prevent buying music
> via iTunes via cellular...
>
> ...Hey! Wait a minute,...

LOL exactly 100% correct.. Apple is no different from the big V...
the phone is already crippled just as much as ANY VERIZON PHONE...






4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:e0c95598-9143-4ec7-906d-875f9aa5185f@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

>> -

> Another thing is that GSM adoption is expanding in North, Central and
> South America which will continue the success of the GSM format Apple
> choose to support over CDMA. Verizon is begining to test converting
> their phone system to GSM as already noted.


Thats retarded, you know Apple went to verizon and the FCC with a CDMA
handset FIRST.... Verizon turned them down, so they went to ATT and
GSM...

Plus, the 4G/LTE GSM system Verizon is testing is nothing like the GSM
the Hype-Phone uses...

You are an idiot..
..

4phun wrote:

> Another thing is that GSM adoption is expanding in North, Central and
> South America which will continue the success of the GSM format Apple
> choose to support over CDMA. Verizon is begining to test converting
> their phone system to GSM as already noted.

Actually, CDMA continues to gain market share at the expense of GSM
worldwide, and in North America has the largest subscriber base (which
is why Apple went to Verizon with the iPhone first).

The reason Verizon passed AT&T in the number of subscribers is because
of their superior network. See the latest Consumer Reports for details.
This is the reason that Apple approached Verizon first, they didn't care
about GSM versus CDMA, they wanted the premium carrier for their new
product.

It's all moot, as the entire world is moving to CDMA, albeit a different
version than the one used by Verizon, Sprint, and the carriers in Korea.

In article <4773bf0b$0$84195$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS ???? ? wrote:
> Actually, CDMA continues to gain market share at the expense of GSM
> worldwide, and in North America has the largest subscriber base (which
> is why Apple went to Verizon with the iPhone first).
Actually thats not quite true. If it is, why is Verizon going to go
with LTE and not Qualcomm's 4G standard? Also Qualcomm is a greedy
company and charges high licensing fees. GSM is an open standard
whereas CDMA is propietary.
Apple went to Verizon at first as there IS MORE U.S CDMA
customers than GSM customers. APPLE wanted to lock down its Iphone
which is very common on CDMA systems. Verizon, the largest of the CDMA
providers didn't want to play ball, therefore, Apple went to the next
largest market penetration. That would be AT&T/Cingular

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In article <Jtq9sq.nrt@pinkrose.net.dhis.org>, B'ichela
<mdalene@pinkrose.dhis.org> wrote:

> Actually thats not quite true. If it is, why is Verizon going to go
> with LTE and not Qualcomm's 4G standard? Also Qualcomm is a greedy
> company and charges high licensing fees. GSM is an open standard
> whereas CDMA is propietary.
> Apple went to Verizon at first as there IS MORE U.S CDMA
> customers than GSM customers. APPLE wanted to lock down its Iphone
> which is very common on CDMA systems. Verizon, the largest of the CDMA
> providers didn't want to play ball, therefore, Apple went to the next
> largest market penetration. That would be AT&T/Cingular

The more likely scenario is that Verizon wanted to cripple the phone
like they do all of their others, and Apple told them to get lost.

"Mr. Strat" <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote in message
news:271220072028114099%rag@nospam.techline.com...
> In article <Jtq9sq.nrt@pinkrose.net.dhis.org>, B'ichela
> <mdalene@pinkrose.dhis.org> wrote:
>
>> Actually thats not quite true. If it is, why is Verizon going to go
>> with LTE and not Qualcomm's 4G standard? Also Qualcomm is a greedy
>> company and charges high licensing fees. GSM is an open standard
>> whereas CDMA is propietary.
>> Apple went to Verizon at first as there IS MORE U.S CDMA
>> customers than GSM customers. APPLE wanted to lock down its Iphone
>> which is very common on CDMA systems. Verizon, the largest of the CDMA
>> providers didn't want to play ball, therefore, Apple went to the next
>> largest market penetration. That would be AT&T/Cingular
>
> The more likely scenario is that Verizon wanted to cripple the phone
> like they do all of their others, and Apple told them to get lost.


No. Verizon turned Apple down.

In article <Sn%cj.35034$Pv2.34038@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net> , Kevin
Weaver <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> No. Verizon turned Apple down.

Regardless, Verizon still sucks due to their predatory business
practices.

Mr. Strat wrote:
> In article <Sn%cj.35034$Pv2.34038@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net> , Kevin
> Weaver <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> No. Verizon turned Apple down.
>
> Regardless, Verizon still sucks due to their predatory business
> practices.

While their business practices may suck, and I've criticized them
repeatedly for some of the crap they pull, you of course understand how
they've now managed to pass AT&T in retail subscribers.

Every survey of users as to what matters most to them gives the same
result--coverage. Handset selection is usually somewhere near the bottom
of the survey results.

If you look at Consumer Reports, JD Power, or any other independent
survey, the results are always the same, and always overwhelming when it
comes to coverage comparisons. In Consumer Reports it's listed as "No
Service." In 17 out of 20 markets, Verizon had the best score for "No
Service," while in the other three they were tied with Alltel.

In article <477534cf$0$84210$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> While their business practices may suck, and I've criticized them
> repeatedly for some of the crap they pull, you of course understand how
> they've now managed to pass AT&T in retail subscribers.

No way I'll stand up for AT&T. I use TMO. Although this area is heavily
Verizon, I've had no problems with coverage.

But I'm guessing that the reason Apple didn't go with Verizon is
because Verizon wanted to cripple the iPhone like they do the rest of
their phones and Apple wouldn't let them.

I'm hoping to see a non-carrier specific version of the iPhone at
MacWorld in a couple weeks so I can dump my RAZR when my contract is up
later this year.

Mr. Strat wrote:

> But I'm guessing that the reason Apple didn't go with Verizon is
> because Verizon wanted to cripple the iPhone like they do the rest of
> their phones and Apple wouldn't let them.

I doubt it. Apple did the kind of things that Verizon does. I.e. if you
want to use an iTunes song as a ring tone you have to pay twice, once
for the song and once to use it as a ringtone. People complain about
Verizon disabling ringtone creation in Motorola Phone Tools, with good
reason, what Verizon did was a despicable act because they thought it
would cut into ringtone sales. But when Jobs announced the ability to
pay a second time for iTunes songs to be used as ringtones, he got
thunderous applause.

Verizon would not pay Apple a monthly fee per handset. They were willing
to give up the customers that chose AT&T solely for the iPhone
availability. I think it was a dumb decision by Verizon, but then I
don't have access to all the studies led to their decision.

SMS 斯蒂文• � wrote:

> ... when Jobs announced the ability to
> pay a second time for iTunes songs to be used as ringtones, he got
> thunderous applause.

Expected reaction by fan-sheep.

At 29 Dec 2007 09:30:28 -0800 Mr. Strat wrote:


> I'm hoping to see a non-carrier specific version of the iPhone at
> MacWorld in a couple weeks so I can dump my RAZR when my contract is up
> later this year.


You reaize that AT&T has a multi-year exclusivity contract for the iPhone,
right? (The pundits are claiming five years, though AT&T and Apple are,
AFAIK, publicily silent about the terms.)

You're better off just buying an unlocked one if you really want an iPhone.