Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
Verizon or Sprint phone.
This is in effect a big blow to non GSM networks located in the USA.
Plus Qualcomm will immediately not be allowed to ship any more
advanced WCDMA chips locking Qualcomm's advanced CDMA technology out
of high speed data beyond 3 EV-DO as I understand it.
Verizon signed an agreement with Broadcom where they agreed to pay
through the nose to still be able to import phones with Qualcomm chips
last August.
This is incredible to have your chip supplier castrated and leaving
your own future in uncharted territory. Verizon and Sprint have far
more than a little iPhone to worry about now. One article mentioned
that they would move to have the US government declare an emergency
and over turn the ruling.
4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>
> This is in effect a big blow to non GSM networks located in the USA.
> Plus Qualcomm will immediately not be allowed to ship any more
> advanced WCDMA chips locking Qualcomm's advanced CDMA technology out
> of high speed data beyond 3 EV-DO as I understand it.
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...3420071231?fee
> dType=RSS&feedName=technologyNews
>
> also
>
> http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/...?symbol=QCOM.O
>
> Verizon signed an agreement with Broadcom where they agreed to pay
> through the nose to still be able to import phones with Qualcomm chips
> last August.
>
> This is incredible to have your chip supplier castrated and leaving
> your own future in uncharted territory. Verizon and Sprint have far
> more than a little iPhone to worry about now. One article mentioned
> that they would move to have the US government declare an emergency
> and over turn the ruling.
>
> What ever happens this is fascinating.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Actually , with Verizon already having signed a deal with Broadcom (and the
amount hardly qualifies as paying through the nose) and Sprint rumored to
be close to agreement with Broadcom, this is almost a non-issue.
But thanks for proving once again what a clueless moron you are.
"4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>
> This is in effect a big blow to non GSM networks located in the USA.
> Plus Qualcomm will immediately not be allowed to ship any more
> advanced WCDMA chips locking Qualcomm's advanced CDMA technology out
> of high speed data beyond 3 EV-DO as I understand it.
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...technologyNews
>
> also
>
> http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/...?symbol=QCOM.O
>
> Verizon signed an agreement with Broadcom where they agreed to pay
> through the nose to still be able to import phones with Qualcomm chips
> last August.
>
> This is incredible to have your chip supplier castrated and leaving
> your own future in uncharted territory. Verizon and Sprint have far
> more than a little iPhone to worry about now. One article mentioned
> that they would move to have the US government declare an emergency
> and over turn the ruling.
>
> What ever happens this is fascinating.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Key words in the above... "as I understand it"......
On Jan 1, 2:51 pm, "Ness-Net" <no.rich...@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote:
> "4phun" <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
> > and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
> > infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
> > in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
> > for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
> > Verizon or Sprint phone.
>
> > This is in effect a big blow to non GSM networks located in the USA.
> > Plus Qualcomm will immediately not be allowed to ship any more
> > advanced WCDMA chips locking Qualcomm's advanced CDMA technology out
> > of high speed data beyond 3 EV-DO as I understand it.
>
> >http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...063420071231?f...
>
> > also
>
> >http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/...?symbol=QCOM.O
>
> > Verizon signed an agreement with Broadcom where they agreed to pay
> > through the nose to still be able to import phones with Qualcomm chips
> > last August.
>
> > This is incredible to have your chip supplier castrated and leaving
> > your own future in uncharted territory. Verizon and Sprint have far
> > more than a little iPhone to worry about now. One article mentioned
> > that they would move to have the US government declare an emergency
> > and over turn the ruling.
>
> > What ever happens this is fascinating.
>
> Key words in the above... "as I understand it"......
>
> Obviously - you (4phun) don't.
Interesting, no one here seems to care enough to research the subject.
I just noticed that Qualcomm was also permanently banned from
supporting the stuff they have already sold in the USA effective
immediately. This related to all that 'high speed' EV-DO CDMA
Qualcomm technology now used by Verizon and Sprint and others like
them.
Stick your head in the sand but a lot of people just got screwed and
they do not realize it yet.
Verizon has taken an unpleasant hit that will affect their future.
4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in
news:fd857c2e-6794-4a90-99cd-0ac799960f3c@r60g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
> On Jan 1, 2:51 pm, "Ness-Net" <no.rich...@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>> "4phun" <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317
@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com.
>> ..
>>
>> > Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm
>> > technology and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME
>> > for patent infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip
>> > designs starting in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms
>> > must pay a royalty for each phone imported which will drive up the
>> > price of any new Verizon or Sprint phone.
>>
>> > This is in effect a big blow to non GSM networks located in the
>> > USA. Plus Qualcomm will immediately not be allowed to ship any more
>> > advanced WCDMA chips locking Qualcomm's advanced CDMA technology
>> > out of high speed data beyond 3 EV-DO as I understand it.
>>
>> >http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...9063420071231?
f
>> >...
>>
>> > also
>>
>> >http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/...scription.asp?
symbol=QCOM.O
>>
>> > Verizon signed an agreement with Broadcom where they agreed to pay
>> > through the nose to still be able to import phones with Qualcomm
>> > chips last August.
>>
>> > This is incredible to have your chip supplier castrated and leaving
>> > your own future in uncharted territory. Verizon and Sprint have far
>> > more than a little iPhone to worry about now. One article mentioned
>> > that they would move to have the US government declare an emergency
>> > and over turn the ruling.
>>
>> > What ever happens this is fascinating.
>>
>> Key words in the above... "as I understand it"......
>>
>> Obviously - you (4phun) don't.
>
> Interesting, no one here seems to care enough to research the subject.
Yeah- having a real life just sucks sometimes.
> I just noticed that Qualcomm was also permanently banned from
> supporting the stuff they have already sold in the USA effective
> immediately. This related to all that 'high speed' EV-DO CDMA
> Qualcomm technology now used by Verizon and Sprint and others like
> them.
Except that the Broadcom deal Verizon signed (and Sprint will soon sign)
makes provision for that support, tardboy.
>
> Stick your head in the sand but a lot of people just got screwed and
> they do not realize it yet.
Why don't you stick your head somewhere else and realize that you are
reporting inaccurate fanboi opinion, not fact.
>
> Verizon has taken an unpleasant hit that will affect their future.
>
> Stick your head in the sand but a lot of people just got screwed and
> they do not realize it yet.
>
> Verizon has taken an unpleasant hit that will affect their future.
>
AS you may have notice, I'm no "friend of Verizon"....but, I just came from
Best Buy and used the VZW laptop kiosk to check some prices. While
sneaking in to do that, I ran www.speakeasy.net/speedtest from the tiny
aircard blinking away in the side of a cheap laptop. Verizon doesn't seem
to be hurting too bad. Download speed was 900Kbps and upload was around
300Kbps.
What's your EDGE doing today while Verizon is being trampled under the
iPhone jackboots??
Larry
--
Do remember to put 2008 on your checks!...(c;
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in news:Xns9A18AFA122C94noonehomecom@
208.49.80.253:
> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote in news:Xns9A18945B64555isheforreal@
> 216.196.97.136:
>
>> Where is the reaction on Wall St?
>>
>
> Doesn't matter. Verizon WIRELESS isn't on Wall Street's Radar
> screens.....not listed.
>
> Larry
Stop being an idiot for once. Verizon, 60% owner of Verizon Wireless and
who derives much of their overall reveniue from sadi wireless company, is
listed. And you knew that.
Go back to your bottle of moonshine, you stupid troll. And put another
twist into your tinfoil hat- it seems to be coming lose.
On 2008-01-01, 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting, no one here seems to care enough to research the subject.
> I just noticed that Qualcomm was also permanently banned from
> supporting the stuff they have already sold in the USA effective
> immediately. This related to all that 'high speed' EV-DO CDMA
> Qualcomm technology now used by Verizon and Sprint and others like
> them.
You are a bit behind the times already. Not only is Qualcomm not enjoined
from shipping all "'high speed' EV-DO CDMA" chips (only chipsets which
include the patented technology, and those patents are only peripherally
related to their core business), but the chips they're currently shipping
are claimed by Qualcomm to work around the patents while retaining the
functionality. See
Broadcom of course disagrees with this claim, but it will take another
go around in court to prove who is right now, and by the time that is
done Qualcomm will no doubt be several chipset generations further down
the road and all the issues will be (claimed to be) different again.
This doesn't, of course, mean Qualcomm is free and clear. All this
litigation makes Qualcomm an uncertain supplier and no one wants that,
so if this continues Qualcomm's customers will no doubt have increasing
incentive to keep their distance. On the other hand, Qualcomm has it
within its power to end the uncertainty instantly. What Broadcom
really wants is a technology cross-licensing agreement with Qualcomm
so that Broadcomm can compete in the wireless space without interference
from Qualcomm patents, which have caused them problems in the past.
Qualcomm has clearly found it in its business interests to instead try
to ride out IPR litigation and keep Broadcom out of the market, but this
decision could be revisited at any time if things begin to look more dire.
> Stick your head in the sand but a lot of people just got screwed and
> they do not realize it yet.
>
> Verizon has taken an unpleasant hit that will affect their future.
You are misreading the situation completely. Broadcom isn't an IPR
company trying to milk a patent portfolio for license fees, it is
a communications chip maker which would like to compete more broadly
in the wireless market. Business 101 says you don't screw over people
you would like to have as customers; Verizon, and the other big CDMA
operators, may be inconvenienced but in the end they'll be taken care
of.
This is not to say that this won't affect Verizon's future; it probably
already has. Verizon has done very well sticking with Qualcomm from
the latter company's original entry into the wireless market. Verizon
got the benefit of Qualcomm's incremental upgrade path, and got to
spend money improving their network's reach that other companies were
spending on useless forklift technology changes (i.e. TDMA->GSM) while
otherwise standing still, so the fact that Verizon has committed to LTE,
a standard defined by its avoidance of all the Qualcomm technology (and
IPR) it possibly could, is a huge shift in Verizon's direction. This
doesn't mean there is no "hit" but the company which takes the hit
will ultimately be Qualcomm, not Verizon.
CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote in
news:Xns9A18A32EFB900isheforreal@216.196.97.136:
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in news:Xns9A18AFA122C94noonehomecom@
> 208.49.80.253:
>
>> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote in news:Xns9A18945B64555isheforreal@
>> 216.196.97.136:
>>
>>> Where is the reaction on Wall St?
>>>
>>
>> Doesn't matter. Verizon WIRELESS isn't on Wall Street's Radar
>> screens.....not listed.
>>
>> Larry
>
> Stop being an idiot for once. Verizon, 60% owner of Verizon Wireless
> and who derives much of their overall reveniue from sadi wireless
> company, is listed. And you knew that.
>
> Go back to your bottle of moonshine, you stupid troll. And put
> another twist into your tinfoil hat- it seems to be coming lose.
>
But, alas, my hyperfriend, we could bankrupt VZW and, though it would
make a dent in Verizon and Vodaphone's balance sheet, would NOT put
either company in the pink sheets. Verizon is HUGE....SO IS VODAPHONE!
Chillpill....Meds late, tonight?
Larry
--
Do remember to put 2008 on your checks!...(c;
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in news:Xns9A18C34F5A0ADnoonehomecom@
208.49.80.253:
> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote in
> news:Xns9A18A32EFB900isheforreal@216.196.97.136:
>
>> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote in news:Xns9A18AFA122C94noonehomecom@
>> 208.49.80.253:
>>
>>> CozmicDebris <isheforreal> wrote in news:Xns9A18945B64555isheforreal@
>>> 216.196.97.136:
>>>
>>>> Where is the reaction on Wall St?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Doesn't matter. Verizon WIRELESS isn't on Wall Street's Radar
>>> screens.....not listed.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>
>> Stop being an idiot for once. Verizon, 60% owner of Verizon Wireless
>> and who derives much of their overall reveniue from sadi wireless
>> company, is listed. And you knew that.
>>
>> Go back to your bottle of moonshine, you stupid troll. And put
>> another twist into your tinfoil hat- it seems to be coming lose.
>>
>
> But, alas, my hyperfriend, we could bankrupt VZW and, though it would
> make a dent in Verizon and Vodaphone's balance sheet, would NOT put
> either company in the pink sheets. Verizon is HUGE....SO IS VODAPHONE!
>
> Chillpill....Meds late, tonight?
>
> Larry
Better check those balance sheets again for Verizon- wireless is the cash
cow for them.
"4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fd857c2e-6794-4a90-99cd-0ac799960f3c@r60g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 1, 2:51 pm, "Ness-Net" <no.rich...@damnspam.nessnet.com> wrote:
>> "4phun" <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
>> > and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
>> > infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
>> > in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
>> > for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
>> > Verizon or Sprint phone.
>>
>> > This is in effect a big blow to non GSM networks located in the USA.
>> > Plus Qualcomm will immediately not be allowed to ship any more
>> > advanced WCDMA chips locking Qualcomm's advanced CDMA technology out
>> > of high speed data beyond 3 EV-DO as I understand it.
>>
>> >http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...063420071231?f...
>>
>> > also
>>
>> >http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/...?symbol=QCOM.O
>>
>> > Verizon signed an agreement with Broadcom where they agreed to pay
>> > through the nose to still be able to import phones with Qualcomm chips
>> > last August.
>>
>> > This is incredible to have your chip supplier castrated and leaving
>> > your own future in uncharted territory. Verizon and Sprint have far
>> > more than a little iPhone to worry about now. One article mentioned
>> > that they would move to have the US government declare an emergency
>> > and over turn the ruling.
>>
>> > What ever happens this is fascinating.
>>
>> Key words in the above... "as I understand it"......
>>
>> Obviously - you (4phun) don't.
>
> Interesting, no one here seems to care enough to research the subject.
> I just noticed that Qualcomm was also permanently banned from
> supporting the stuff they have already sold in the USA effective
> immediately. This related to all that 'high speed' EV-DO CDMA
> Qualcomm technology now used by Verizon and Sprint and others like
> them.
>
> Stick your head in the sand but a lot of people just got screwed and
> they do not realize it yet.
>
> Verizon has taken an unpleasant hit that will affect their future.
How do you figure ?
Verizon could easy support them. You think there going to let this get out
of hand ? If anything they will replace the phone. Being it's under warr of
course. And if not covered they will make some kind of deal on a new phone.
It's almost like the amps phone deal. Sorry, were not going to support it,
You can upgrade for a reduced price.
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, Dennis Ferguson posted:
> On 2008-01-01, 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are a bit behind the times already. Not only is Qualcomm not enjoined
> from shipping all "'high speed' EV-DO CDMA" chips (only chipsets which
> include the patented technology, and those patents are only peripherally
> related to their core business), but the chips they're currently shipping
> are claimed by Qualcomm to work around the patents while retaining the
> functionality.
What's more, the issue impacts the GSM world far more, as the main focus
of the patents in question is on WCDMA (a.k.a. UMTS) rather than EV-DO.
This has the potential of keeping AT&T (and iPhone) on s-l-o-w EDGE for
years!
The patents in question are 5,657,317, 6,847,686, and 6,389,010.
The iPhone trolls fail to realize that this is far worse news for them
than it is for Verizon. Qualcomm makes the only viable 3G chipset today.
Broadcom can't fill the gap with its own chips because they need Qualcomm
patented technology to do it.
Hence this game of chicken. Broadcom wants to enter the market, but can't
because Qualcomm won't license the necessary patents to Broadcom. Hence,
Broadcom is trying to force Qualcomm into a cross-licensing settlement by
dragging Qualcomm into the patent license prison with them.
Verizon already has its EV-DO based 3G network, and paid off Broadcom.
The only question for Verizon is which chip supplier they will ultimately
end up with, not whether they will have chips.
AT&T, and to a lesser extent T-Mobile, are screwed because their UMTS
based 3G network is embryonic (unlike Verizon's EV-DO network which is
widely deployed). This dispute delays, or even blocks, 3G deployment by
the US GSM carriers.
Apple is screwed as well. They will have a difficult time getting a 3G
chipset from anyone, and face the very real possibility that if they do
commit to a particular chipset, they will get slapped with an import ban.
There is a very real possibility that iPhone could be rendered into a
flash in the ban by this problem alone.
Last, but not least, Qualcomm is screwed, because this is what was finally
needed to get the carriers off their duffs and look towards technology
that is not (or is minimally) encumbered by Qualcomm patents. This also
applies to Broadcom, because if this dispute is not resolved soon both
companies will miss out on 4G.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
> Apple is screwed as well. They will have a difficult time getting a 3G
> chipset from anyone, and face the very real possibility that if they do
> commit to a particular chipset, they will get slapped with an import
> ban. There is a very real possibility that iPhone could be rendered into
> a flash in the ban by this problem alone.
Indeed, this is one of the reasons for the lack of 3G in the iPhone.
> Last, but not least, Qualcomm is screwed, because this is what was
> finally needed to get the carriers off their duffs and look towards
> technology that is not (or is minimally) encumbered by Qualcomm
> patents. This also applies to Broadcom, because if this dispute is not
> resolved soon both companies will miss out on 4G.
Like the RIM dispute, eventually the companies realize that if they
don't settle, it'll hurt both of them.
On 2008-01-02, Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
> The iPhone trolls fail to realize that this is far worse news for them
> than it is for Verizon. Qualcomm makes the only viable 3G chipset today.
[...]
> Apple is screwed as well. They will have a difficult time getting a 3G
> chipset from anyone, and face the very real possibility that if they do
> commit to a particular chipset, they will get slapped with an import ban.
Of what you wrote the above is the only bit I disagree with. My bet is
that Apple is waiting to use this, or a similar, Infineon 3G chipset
which is the upgrade for the 2.5G Infineon baseband and RF processors
Apple uses in the current product. Note the "Q3 2007" note, apparently
still in future tense. If Apple decided to commit to using this vendor,
and this vendor's functionality, early on they couldn't have shipped a
3G product any earlier than the rumors now have it as this chipset is way,
way late.
I'd be surprised if Apple switched to a Qualcomm chipset now since if
they'd been interested in doing that they would have done that in the first
place, been shipping a 3G product already and, perhaps, would have already
been caught up in Qualcomm's patent troubles (I'd also be surprised
if the story about Verizon being Apple's first choice, which was based
solely on reports from Verizon sources as far as I can tell, actually
matches Apple's view of what Apple preferred for about the same reason).
Apple may have chipset vendor problems, but they're currently more likely
to be delivery rather than patent problems.
Of course you never know, or at least I certainly don't (I've also seen
speculation that Apple might use a single chip processor Broadcom began
sampling in October, but I don't trust that either). We'll see what Apple
actually ships when they ship it.
Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote in
news:slrnfno54n.4m.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com:
> On 2008-01-02, Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:
>> The iPhone trolls fail to realize that this is far worse news for
>> them than it is for Verizon. Qualcomm makes the only viable 3G
>> chipset today.
> [...]
>> Apple is screwed as well. They will have a difficult time getting a
>> 3G chipset from anyone, and face the very real possibility that if
>> they do commit to a particular chipset, they will get slapped with an
>> import ban.
>
> Of what you wrote the above is the only bit I disagree with. My bet
> is that Apple is waiting to use this, or a similar, Infineon 3G
> chipset
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ysaaue
>
> which is the upgrade for the 2.5G Infineon baseband and RF processors
> Apple uses in the current product. Note the "Q3 2007" note,
> apparently still in future tense. If Apple decided to commit to using
> this vendor, and this vendor's functionality, early on they couldn't
> have shipped a 3G product any earlier than the rumors now have it as
> this chipset is way, way late.
>
> I'd be surprised if Apple switched to a Qualcomm chipset now since if
> they'd been interested in doing that they would have done that in the
> first place, been shipping a 3G product already and, perhaps, would
> have already been caught up in Qualcomm's patent troubles (I'd also be
> surprised if the story about Verizon being Apple's first choice, which
> was based solely on reports from Verizon sources as far as I can tell,
> actually matches Apple's view of what Apple preferred for about the
> same reason). Apple may have chipset vendor problems, but they're
> currently more likely to be delivery rather than patent problems.
>
> Of course you never know, or at least I certainly don't (I've also
> seen speculation that Apple might use a single chip processor Broadcom
> began sampling in October, but I don't trust that either). We'll see
> what Apple actually ships when they ship it.
>
> Dennis Ferguson
>
The latest ruling seems to spell trouble specifically for american GSM
carriers.
> (I'd also be surprised
> if the story about Verizon being Apple's first choice, which was based
> solely on reports from Verizon sources as far as I can tell, actually
> matches Apple's view of what Apple preferred for about the same reason).
I thought the same thing initially, but Apple never denied that what was
reported was true. Normally there would be a quick rebuttal and denial.
With SOX, Verizon would not have issued an untrue statement about what
transpired.
I'm just going to side back and see what happens....is this dj? RIM????
--
--
Trent McMurray
LAMARCOMM, LLC www.lamarcomm.com | www.lamarcommaccessories.com
"4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>
> This is in effect a big blow to non GSM networks located in the USA.
> Plus Qualcomm will immediately not be allowed to ship any more
> advanced WCDMA chips locking Qualcomm's advanced CDMA technology out
> of high speed data beyond 3 EV-DO as I understand it.
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...technologyNews
>
> also
>
> http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/...?symbol=QCOM.O
>
> Verizon signed an agreement with Broadcom where they agreed to pay
> through the nose to still be able to import phones with Qualcomm chips
> last August.
>
> This is incredible to have your chip supplier castrated and leaving
> your own future in uncharted territory. Verizon and Sprint have far
> more than a little iPhone to worry about now. One article mentioned
> that they would move to have the US government declare an emergency
> and over turn the ruling.
>
> What ever happens this is fascinating.
>
>
>
>
>
>
"4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
> Verizon or Sprint phone.
Why is this cross posted to alt.attws and alt.cingular? it obviously does
not apply.
"Bernard Farquart" <BernardFarquart@fyou.com> wrote in message
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>
> "4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
>> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
>> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
>> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
>> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
>> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>
>
> Why is this cross posted to alt.attws and alt.cingular? it obviously does
> not apply.
>
> You must, therefore be a spammer.
>
> Bernard
>
You as well. When you did your reply you also cross posted.
Therefore your a spammer as well.
Bernard Farquart wrote:
> "4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
>> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
>> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
>> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
>> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
>> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>
>
> Why is this cross posted to alt.attws and alt.cingular? it obviously does
> not apply.
>
> You must, therefore be a spammer.
>
> Bernard
>
>
Actually it applies even more to the GSM carriers, whose high speed data
networks are based on CDMA technology.
MaybeWi-Max is not dead after all as a CDMA replacement.
"LAMARCOMM" <lamarcommNOSPAM@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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> I'm just going to side back and see what happens....is this dj? RIM????
>
> --
> --
> Trent McMurray
> LAMARCOMM, LLC
> www.lamarcomm.com | www.lamarcommaccessories.com
> "4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
>> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
>> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
>> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
>> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
>> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>>
>> This is in effect a big blow to non GSM networks located in the USA.
>> Plus Qualcomm will immediately not be allowed to ship any more
>> advanced WCDMA chips locking Qualcomm's advanced CDMA technology out
>> of high speed data beyond 3 EV-DO as I understand it.
>>
>> http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...technologyNews
>>
>> also
>>
>> http://stocks.us.reuters.com/stocks/...?symbol=QCOM.O
>>
>> Verizon signed an agreement with Broadcom where they agreed to pay
>> through the nose to still be able to import phones with Qualcomm chips
>> last August.
>>
>> This is incredible to have your chip supplier castrated and leaving
>> your own future in uncharted territory. Verizon and Sprint have far
>> more than a little iPhone to worry about now. One article mentioned
>> that they would move to have the US government declare an emergency
>> and over turn the ruling.
>>
>> What ever happens this is fascinating.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
On Jan 3, 3:46 pm, SMS $B;[h\J8(B* $B2F(B <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Bernard Farquart wrote:
> > "4phun" <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> >> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
> >> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
> >> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
> >> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
> >> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
> >> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>
> > Why is this cross posted to alt.attws and alt.cingular? it obviously does
> > not apply.
>
> > You must, therefore be a spammer.
>
> > Bernard
>
> Actually it applies even more to the GSM carriers, whose high speed data
> networks are based on CDMA technology.
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of CEOs, I'll wait for the Koreans to
fix this. HA HA
Maosters...
SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 wrote:
> Bernard Farquart wrote:
>> "4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
>>> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
>>> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
>>> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
>>> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
>>> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>>
>>
>> Why is this cross posted to alt.attws and alt.cingular? it obviously
>> does not apply.
>>
>> You must, therefore be a spammer.
>>
>> Bernard
>>
>
> Actually it applies even more to the GSM carriers, whose high speed data
> networks are based on CDMA technology.
Just a side issue. The extended characters you are using make any
replies to your posts display in a really hard to read font.
George wrote:
> SMS 斯蒂文• 夏 wrote:
>> Bernard Farquart wrote:
>>> "4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:965a899f-949b-41fc-bbcb-1f7cc47e8317@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Verizon and Sprint telecoms network are based on Qualcomm technology
>>>> and the courts have just ruled against Qualcomm BIG TIME for patent
>>>> infringement. No more chips with Qualcomm EV-DO chip designs starting
>>>> in 2009. They can ship during 2008 but the telcoms must pay a royalty
>>>> for each phone imported which will drive up the price of any new
>>>> Verizon or Sprint phone.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why is this cross posted to alt.attws and alt.cingular? it obviously
>>> does not apply.
>>>
>>> You must, therefore be a spammer.
>>>
>>> Bernard
>>>
>>
>> Actually it applies even more to the GSM carriers, whose high speed
>> data networks are based on CDMA technology.
>
> Just a side issue. The extended characters you are using make any
> replies to your posts display in a really hard to read font.
George wrote:
> Just a side issue. The extended characters you are using make any
> replies to your posts display in a really hard to read font.
I was just getting little boxes.
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Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.
irrelevance, was Re: The future of CDMA and EV-DO now in doubt.
>Dec. 6 (Bloomberg) -- Government officials and activists flying to Bali,
>Indonesia, for the United Nations meeting on climate change will cause
>as much pollution as 20,000 cars in a year.
Gasp! You mean the people trying to work out an international agreement
to stop global heating will do as much damage as my neighbors in this town
of 30,000? Yikes!
Re: irrelevance, was Re: The future of CDMA and EV-DO now in doubt.
tmoran@acm.org wrote in
newscqdnWchqcIs6x3anZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com:
> You mean the people trying to work out an international agreement
> to stop global heating will do as much damage as my neighbors in this
> town of 30,000?
Unless they can control the SUN, and they can't, they'll have no effect
on "global heating" at all, much to their dismay.
Global Warming is caused by solar activity....alone.
This period . represents the Earth. The earth below your feet, represent
the sun, and is about that scale away from the "period earth" if you're
on the first floor of a house. Notice how BIG the sun is and how CLOSE
it is to the period. Man has no effect, whatsoever, on how the Sun heats
the period because all humans are represented in my model by ONE
molecule, not pixel, of the period.
Another example. World War II had no effect, whatsoever, on the
temperature of the Earth. Look at the records for yourself.
If we stop FUNDING "Global Warming"....it will die just like "Global Ice
Age" did back in 1975, when the WORST POLLUTER CARS WITH HUGE ENGINES BY
THE MILLIONS were COOLING the Earth since 1940! More funding bullshit.
Larry
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ask him about Rhodium, a shiny metal used in Catalytic Converters.
Jan 1st 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Rhodium $452 $1341 $3006 $5339 $6775 PER OUNCE!
How much longer can we pay for new cars at this rate?
Feb '97 it was $182/oz
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