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Old 06-16-2008, 09:42 AM
4phun
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Default Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1

Fascinating article

"Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
enter into your cell phone:

Unwanted calls.
Recorded advertising voice mails.
SMS ads that ring your phone.
MMS ads that ring your phone.
E-mail ads.
Advertiser-supported software and services.
Web pages that force you to view an ad before you can see the page.
Location-based advertising -- you'll walk by a store, and it will ring
your phone to tell you about a sale.
Viral videos.
Text, e-mail or Web-based ads that encourage you to "click to call."
Search ads tailored for phones. "

"The problem isn't that somebody out there is looking for innovative
ways to leverage your cell phone to sell you something. The problem is
that everybody is doing it. The result will turn your cell phone into
an annoying, interrupting, commercial idiot box that combines all the
worst qualities of TV, telemarketing and spam.

We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
any of us can do about it ."

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Old 06-16-2008, 10:59 AM
Larry
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4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:56c8948e-fe25-4e83-956b-
7ffb2a4e3cbb@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:

> "The problem isn't that somebody out there is looking for innovative
> ways to leverage your cell phone to sell you something. The problem is
> that everybody is doing it. The result will turn your cell phone into
> an annoying, interrupting, commercial idiot box that combines all the
> worst qualities of TV, telemarketing and spam.
>
> We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
> any of us can do about it ."
>
>


Hasn't that become true of every other piece of entertainment hardware
you own? I call television "the ad billboard in your living room".
That's EXACTLY what television has become. I turned mine off for the
last time in 1992 and never got another one. I'm not going to PAY some
company to deliver advertising to me....i.e. cable TV.

I believe the American public is so starved for entertainment free of
adverts is the reason for YouTube's fantastic success. You can watch
several minutes of YouTube without being spammed, usually. It has also
kept usenet hopping. The downloading has gotten so heavy that ISPs are
looking for a way to stop the downloading so the users will go back to
watching "the ad billboard in your living room". Time-Warner is
eliminating Usenet service this month. Others are sure to follow.

Look at you, right now! You're sitting there reading this ADVERTISING
FREE message your cable or telephone company isn't getting paid double to
deliver to you! How terrible, how unAmerican!...(c;


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Old 06-16-2008, 11:31 AM
Ron
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:42:33 -0700 (PDT), 4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>
>Fascinating article
>
>"Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>enter into your cell phone:
>
>Unwanted calls.
>Recorded advertising voice mails.
>SMS ads that ring your phone.
>MMS ads that ring your phone.
>E-mail ads.
>Advertiser-supported software and services.
>Web pages that force you to view an ad before you can see the page.
>Location-based advertising -- you'll walk by a store, and it will ring
>your phone to tell you about a sale.
>Viral videos.
>Text, e-mail or Web-based ads that encourage you to "click to call."
>Search ads tailored for phones. "
>
>"The problem isn't that somebody out there is looking for innovative
>ways to leverage your cell phone to sell you something. The problem is
>that everybody is doing it. The result will turn your cell phone into
>an annoying, interrupting, commercial idiot box that combines all the
>worst qualities of TV, telemarketing and spam.
>
>We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
>any of us can do about it ."



Easy fix. Set your general ringtone to an inaudible sound. Set audible
ringtones for the folks in your address book you're willing to accept
calls from.

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Old 06-16-2008, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: Here comes the cell phone ad disaster!

4phun wrote:
> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>
> Fascinating article
>
> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
> enter into your cell phone:
>
> Unwanted calls.
> Recorded advertising voice mails.
> SMS ads that ring your phone.
> MMS ads that ring your phone.
> E-mail ads.
> Advertiser-supported software and services.
> Web pages that force you to view an ad before you can see the page.
> Location-based advertising -- you'll walk by a store, and it will ring
> your phone to tell you about a sale.
> Viral videos.
> Text, e-mail or Web-based ads that encourage you to "click to call."
> Search ads tailored for phones. "
>
> "The problem isn't that somebody out there is looking for innovative
> ways to leverage your cell phone to sell you something. The problem is
> that everybody is doing it. The result will turn your cell phone into
> an annoying, interrupting, commercial idiot box that combines all the
> worst qualities of TV, telemarketing and spam.
>
> We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
> any of us can do about it ."


There IS something we ALL can do. Refuse to buy any product advertised
via cell phone!

I have yet to receive ANY advertising via my cell phone!

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Old 06-16-2008, 01:12 PM
George
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Ron wrote:

>
> Easy fix. Set your general ringtone to an inaudible sound. Set audible
> ringtones for the folks in your address book you're willing to accept
> calls from.



Not really, I get numerous calls from people where it may be the first
time I have seen that particular CID. I would find it totally
unacceptable to get unsolicited marketing calls especially since I am
paying for the call.

The link that "oxford" provided is written in the same style he would
write with "may happen" instantly morphing into "will happen" so who knows.

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Old 06-16-2008, 01:56 PM
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"4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:56c8948e-fe25-4e83-956b-7ffb2a4e3cbb@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>
> Fascinating article
>
> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
> enter into your cell phone:
> snip>
> "The problem isn't that somebody out there is looking for innovative
> ways to leverage your cell phone to sell you something. The problem is
> that everybody is doing it. The result will turn your cell phone into
> an annoying, interrupting, commercial idiot box that combines all the
> worst qualities of TV, telemarketing and spam.
>
> We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
> any of us can do about it ."


" there's not much any of us can do about it ."

Untrue.

We developers are working alternatives even as you make ill-informed
statements.

What you see as a disaster, is an opportunity for something like 40,000
developers world wide.

Did you hide under the bed on Y2K?



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Old 06-16-2008, 03:05 PM
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4phun wrote:
> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>
> Fascinating article
>
> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
> enter into your cell phone:


The sky is not falling!!
My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you
should do the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement with
no experation date.

Tom J



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Old 06-16-2008, 03:18 PM
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Tom J wrote:
> 4phun wrote:
>
>>Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>>http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>>
>>Fascinating article
>>
>>"Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>>enter into your cell phone:

>
>
> The sky is not falling!!
> My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you
> should do the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement with
> no experation date.



R-i-g-h-t. That works SO WELL... NOT.

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Old 06-16-2008, 03:50 PM
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On Jun 16, 7:31*am, Ron <roncliff...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:42:33 -0700 (PDT), 4phun <vic.hea...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
> >http://www.computerworld.com/action/...viewArticleBas....

>
> >Fascinating article

>
> >"Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
> >enter into your cell phone:

>
> >Unwanted calls.
> >Recorded advertising voice mails.
> >SMS ads that ring your phone.
> >MMS ads that ring your phone.
> >E-mail ads.
> >Advertiser-supported software and services.
> >Web pages that force you to view an ad before you can see the page.
> >Location-based advertising -- you'll walk by a store, and it will ring
> >your phone to tell you about a sale.
> >Viral videos.
> >Text, e-mail or Web-based ads that encourage you to "click to call."
> >Search ads tailored for phones. "

>
> >"The problem isn't that somebody out there is looking for innovative
> >ways to leverage your cell phone to sell you something. The problem is
> >that everybody is doing it. The result will turn your cell phone into
> >an annoying, interrupting, commercial idiot box that combines all the
> >worst qualities of TV, telemarketing and spam.

>
> >We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
> >any of us can do about it ."

>
> Easy fix. Set your general ringtone to an inaudible sound. Set audible
> ringtones for the folks in your address book you're willing to accept
> calls from.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


The iPhone rings and virbrates at the same time. Even a silent ring
will still produce a buzz 0n your belt or in your pocket. It even
thunks if you get new email.

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Old 06-16-2008, 03:52 PM
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On Jun 16, 7:39*am, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> 4phun wrote:
> > Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
> >http://www.computerworld.com/action/...viewArticleBas....

>
> > Fascinating article

>
> > "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
> > enter into your cell phone:

>
> > Unwanted calls.
> > Recorded advertising voice mails.
> > SMS ads that ring your phone.
> > MMS ads that ring your phone.
> > E-mail ads.
> > Advertiser-supported software and services.
> > Web pages that force you to view an ad before you can see the page.
> > Location-based advertising -- you'll walk by a store, and it will ring
> > your phone to tell you about a sale.
> > Viral videos.
> > Text, e-mail or Web-based ads that encourage you to "click to call."
> > Search ads tailored for phones. "

>
> > "The problem isn't that somebody out there is looking for innovative
> > ways to leverage your cell phone to sell you something. The problem is
> > that everybody is doing it. The result will turn your cell phone into
> > an annoying, interrupting, commercial idiot box that combines all the
> > worst qualities of TV, telemarketing and spam.

>
> > We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
> > any of us can do about it ."

>
> There IS something we ALL can do. *Refuse to buy any product advertised
> via cell phone!
>
> I have yet to receive ANY advertising via my cell phone!- Hide quoted text-
>
> - Show quoted text -


How about the prrostitutes who start advertizing this way? How are you
going to explain thosr unwanted text messages to your wife?

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Old 06-16-2008, 03:55 PM
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On Jun 16, 9:56*am, "Thurman" <thur...@bigplanet.com> wrote:
> "4phun" <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:56c8948e-fe25-4e83-956b-7ffb2a4e3cbb@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
> >http://www.computerworld.com/action/...viewArticleBas....

>
> > Fascinating article

>
> > "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
> > enter into your cell phone:
> > snip>
> > "The problem isn't that somebody out there is looking for innovative
> > ways to leverage your cell phone to sell you something. The problem is
> > that everybody is doing it. The result will turn your cell phone into
> > an annoying, interrupting, commercial idiot box that combines all the
> > worst qualities of TV, telemarketing and spam.

>
> > We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
> > any of us can do about it ."

>
> " there's not much any of us can do about it ."
>
> Untrue.
>
> We developers are working alternatives even as you make ill-informed
> statements.
>
> What you see as a disaster, is an opportunity for something like 40,000
> developers world wide.
>
> Did you hide under the bed on Y2K?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I believe those statments are made by Mike Egan, ComputerWorld, who
researched that article which apparently you did not bother to read in
full.

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Old 06-16-2008, 03:58 PM
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On Jun 16, 11:05*am, "Tom J" <tomn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 4phun wrote:
> > Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
> >http://www.computerworld.com/action/...viewArticleBas....

>
> > Fascinating article

>
> > "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
> > enter into your cell phone:

>
> The sky is not falling!!
> My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you
> should do the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement with
> no experation date.
>
> Tom J


Actually all my phones have been registered with DO NOT CALL. I still
received a text message in a shopping center a month ago from some
local robot that sensed my nearby cellphone. I thought it was neat and
at the same time I was annoyed that they could do that.

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Old 06-16-2008, 04:04 PM
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4phun, did transcribed the following::
> On Jun 16, 7:39 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> 4phun wrote:
>>
>>> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...viewArticleBas...
>>>
>>> Fascinating article
>>>
>>> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>>> enter into your cell phone:
>>>
>>> Unwanted calls.
>>> Recorded advertising voice mails.
>>> SMS ads that ring your phone.
>>> MMS ads that ring your phone.
>>> E-mail ads.
>>> Advertiser-supported software and services.
>>> Web pages that force you to view an ad before you can see the page.
>>> Location-based advertising -- you'll walk by a store, and it will ring
>>> your phone to tell you about a sale.
>>> Viral videos.
>>> Text, e-mail or Web-based ads that encourage you to "click to call."
>>> Search ads tailored for phones. "
>>>
>>> "The problem isn't that somebody out there is looking for innovative
>>> ways to leverage your cell phone to sell you something. The problem is
>>> that everybody is doing it. The result will turn your cell phone into
>>> an annoying, interrupting, commercial idiot box that combines all the
>>> worst qualities of TV, telemarketing and spam.
>>>
>>> We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
>>> any of us can do about it ."
>>>

>> There IS something we ALL can do. Refuse to buy any product advertised
>> via cell phone!
>>
>> I have yet to receive ANY advertising via my cell phone!- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>>

>
> How about the prrostitutes who start advertizing this way? How are you
> going to explain thosr unwanted text messages to your wife?
>


Easy, get her a cell phone too! That way she'll get them as well and then
she will have to explain them to "YOU"!


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Old 06-16-2008, 07:01 PM
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On 2008-06-16, Paul Hovnanian P.E. <paulh@seanet.com> wrote:
> 4phun wrote:
>>

> [snip]
>
>> We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
>> any of us can do about it .

>
> Time to switch to a 'caller pays' system?


Noooo. You should try living with a UK "caller pays" mobile phone
for a few months, it is worse than my landline at dinner time used
to be. Since the advertisers are paying for the calls they feel
perfectly free to call, so for a lot of people there that future
is now.

It is the fact that you pay for incoming calls and messages which
has kept those guys mostly away from your cell phone in the US
so far.

Dennis Ferguson

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Old 06-16-2008, 07:55 PM
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News wrote:
> Tom J wrote:
>> 4phun wrote:
>>
>>> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>>>
>>> Fascinating article
>>>
>>> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>>> enter into your cell phone:

>>
>>
>> The sky is not falling!!
>> My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you
>> should do the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement
>> with no experation date.

>
>
> R-i-g-h-t. That works SO WELL... NOT.


SO?? I don't get those type calls on my home phone OR my cell phone??
Works for me!!

Tom J



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Old 06-16-2008, 07:58 PM
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4phun wrote:
> On Jun 16, 11:05 am, "Tom J" <tomn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 4phun wrote:
>>> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...viewArticleBas...

>>
>>> Fascinating article

>>
>>> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>>> enter into your cell phone:

>>
>> The sky is not falling!!
>> My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you
>> should do the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement
>> with no experation date.
>>
>> Tom J

>
> Actually all my phones have been registered with DO NOT CALL. I
> still
> received a text message in a shopping center a month ago from some
> local robot that sensed my nearby cellphone. I thought it was neat
> and
> at the same time I was annoyed that they could do that.


You thought it was neat, but I wouldn't. They would hear from me & not
as a customer either!

Tom J



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Old 06-16-2008, 08:40 PM
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Larry wrote:
>

[snip]

> Look at you, right now! You're sitting there reading this ADVERTISING
> FREE message your cable or telephone company isn't getting paid double to
> deliver to you! How terrible, how unAmerican!...(c;


Meanwhile, in related news, Verizon moves to block access to the alt.*
newsgroup hierarchy. Others to follow soon?

--
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Old 06-16-2008, 08:42 PM
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4phun wrote:
>

[snip]

> We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
> any of us can do about it .


Time to switch to a 'caller pays' system?

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Old 06-16-2008, 09:54 PM
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"Tom J" <tomnews@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> You thought it was neat, but I wouldn't. They would hear from me & not
> as a customer either!
>
> Tom J

That's exactly right. As soon as the first person angrily storms into a
store demanding payment for minutes or text units that the store used
the practice will stop dead in it's tracks. And the smart carrier who
promises to never allow the practice will see thousands of subscribers
flocking to it until all the carriers get the point. The smart carriers
will only allow it to happen on an opt-in basis or compensated basis
where one would get discounted - or possibly even free - service for
allowing the ads. I could see a construct where a pre-paid phone
customer could earn more minutes by allowing him/herself to be bombarded
by ads and getting a half a minute free for every ad they opened.



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Old 06-16-2008, 10:43 PM
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News wrote:
>
>
> Tom J wrote:
>> 4phun wrote:
>>
>>> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>>>
>>>
>>> Fascinating article
>>>
>>> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>>> enter into your cell phone:

>>
>>
>> The sky is not falling!!
>> My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you
>> should do the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement with
>> no experation date.

>
>
> R-i-g-h-t. That works SO WELL... NOT.


Works for me. I have our cell numbers and also home VoIP numbers on the
do not call list and also the businesses we have a relationship with
have also been asked not to call unless it is business related per the
do not call regulation and I can't remember the last unsolicited call.

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Old 06-16-2008, 10:44 PM
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4phun wrote:
> On Jun 16, 11:05 am, "Tom J" <tomn...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 4phun wrote:
>>> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...viewArticleBas...
>>> Fascinating article
>>> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>>> enter into your cell phone:

>> The sky is not falling!!
>> My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you
>> should do the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement with
>> no experation date.
>>
>> Tom J

>
> Actually all my phones have been registered with DO NOT CALL. I still
> received a text message in a shopping center a month ago from some
> local robot that sensed my nearby cellphone. I thought it was neat and
> at the same time I was annoyed that they could do that.


Thinking it was "neat" wouldn't be my first thought...

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Old 06-16-2008, 10:55 PM
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"4phun" <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5505e8a5-6cdf-4e71-9d94-8e03452e5289@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 16, 7:39 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> 4phun wrote:
> > Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
> >http://www.computerworld.com/action/...viewArticleBas...

>
> > Fascinating article

>
> > "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
> > enter into your cell phone:

>
> > Unwanted calls.
> > Recorded advertising voice mails.
> > SMS ads that ring your phone.
> > MMS ads that ring your phone.
> > E-mail ads.
> > Advertiser-supported software and services.
> > Web pages that force you to view an ad before you can see the page.
> > Location-based advertising -- you'll walk by a store, and it will ring
> > your phone to tell you about a sale.
> > Viral videos.
> > Text, e-mail or Web-based ads that encourage you to "click to call."
> > Search ads tailored for phones. "

>
> > "The problem isn't that somebody out there is looking for innovative
> > ways to leverage your cell phone to sell you something. The problem is
> > that everybody is doing it. The result will turn your cell phone into
> > an annoying, interrupting, commercial idiot box that combines all the
> > worst qualities of TV, telemarketing and spam.

>
> > We have nowhere to go. The disaster is coming, and there's not much
> > any of us can do about it ."

>
> There IS something we ALL can do. Refuse to buy any product advertised
> via cell phone!
>
> I have yet to receive ANY advertising via my cell phone!- Hide quoted
> text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


How about the prrostitutes who start advertizing this way? How are you
going to explain thosr unwanted text messages to your wife?

Something you will never have to worry about.


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Old 06-16-2008, 10:58 PM
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"Tom J" <tomnews@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:v4idnZ6XV4nFHMvVnZ2dnUVZ_qninZ2d@earthlink.co m...
> 4phun wrote:
>> Here comes the cell phone ad disaster
>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/...8&pageNumber=1
>>
>> Fascinating article
>>
>> "Here are just some of the conduits through which advertising will
>> enter into your cell phone:

>
> The sky is not falling!!
> My cell phone is listed on the National "do not call list" & you should do
> the same thing. The "do not call list" is now permement with no experation
> date.
>
> Tom J

BFD.. There is no enforcement on that list. They know it and there is
nothing anyone can do. SBC Told me they can't do anything but change my
number.

The list is bogus.


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Old 06-16-2008, 11:49 PM
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2008-06-16, Paul Hovnanian P.E. <paulh@seanet.com> wrote:
> Larry wrote:
>>

> [snip]
>
>> Look at you, right now! You're sitting there reading this ADVERTISING
>> FREE message your cable or telephone company isn't getting paid double to
>> deliver to you! How terrible, how unAmerican!...(c;

>
> Meanwhile, in related news, Verizon moves to block access to the alt.*
> newsgroup hierarchy. Others to follow soon?


As much as I'd like to believe that had something to do with Larry, it didn't,
it was at the request of the (IIRC) New York State attorney general's office
regarding some kiddie porn incident.


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Old 06-16-2008, 11:51 PM
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2008-06-16, Kevin Weaver <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> BFD.. There is no enforcement on that list. They know it and there is
> nothing anyone can do. SBC Told me they can't do anything but change my
> number.
>
> The list is bogus.


SBC/AT&T? They're a bunch of lazy, incompetent assholes who only exist to
screw everyone they do business with.

The DNC list works for my family too. You might try it.


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Old 06-17-2008, 12:41 AM
Larry
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"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paulh@seanet.com> wrote in news:4856CFA8.946AE2E5
@seanet.com:

> Meanwhile, in related news, Verizon moves to block access to the alt.*
> newsgroup hierarchy. Others to follow soon?
>
>


It won't work. The newsgroup providers are way ahead of them.

"Encrypted UseNet Access

UsenetServer has deployed 256 bit encrypted UseNet access service by
utilizing SSL (Secure Socket Layer) encryption. UsenetServer's deployment
of encrypted Usenet access comes in response to customer feedback and
growing support in news client software for SSL. Encrypted Usenet access
allows UsenetServer's customers to securely access Usenet newsgroups. All
data passed from UsenetServer's servers to the customer's computer is
encrypted. This includes all username, password, articles and posts.

Encrypted Usenet access is available to all UsenetServer customers as a
free service. To access Encrypted UseNet, setup your SSL aware news
client to access:
secure.usenetserver.com
Port 563, 443 or 8080."

"2. What port should I connect to?
Port 119 is the default NNTP port, but we support ports 23, 25, 119,
1720, 3128 and 8000. Secure.usenetserver.com only allows encrypted SSL
connections on ports 443, 563 and 8080."



256-bit SSL encrypted on many ports. What they gonna do, block 'em all?
Pfat Chance....

I don't think it will matter much when Verizon follows RR and starts
selling bandwidth by the byte, again, like the old days. You'll get
5GB/month then pfffft....until your next check clears.



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Old 06-17-2008, 01:51 AM
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:54:04 -0500, "BruceR" <bruceNO@SPAMwhoever.com>
wrote:

>
>"Tom J" <tomnews@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:xo6dnU3GCpt3WMvVnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@earthlink.c om...
>
>>
>> You thought it was neat, but I wouldn't. They would hear from me & not
>> as a customer either!
>>
>> Tom J

>That's exactly right. As soon as the first person angrily storms into a
>store demanding payment for minutes or text units that the store used
>the practice will stop dead in it's tracks. And the smart carrier who
>promises to never allow the practice will see thousands of subscribers
>flocking to it until all the carriers get the point. The smart carriers
>will only allow it to happen on an opt-in basis or compensated basis
>where one would get discounted - or possibly even free - service for
>allowing the ads. I could see a construct where a pre-paid phone
>customer could earn more minutes by allowing him/herself to be bombarded
>by ads and getting a half a minute free for every ad they opened.
>


Virgin Mobile already has it. minute for minute credit for watching
ads on thier site, and (IIRC) and a minute of airtime for each two
(free) text ads you reply to for more info. You can also get bonus
minutes for doing surveys on-site as well.



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Old 06-17-2008, 02:06 AM
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D <noemail@respondhere.com> wrote in
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> Virgin Mobile already has it. minute for minute credit for watching
> ads on thier site, and (IIRC) and a minute of airtime for each two
> (free) text ads you reply to for more info. You can also get bonus
> minutes for doing surveys on-site as well.
>
>
>
>


Hmm...with a little app to automate the process, this might be a free
sellphone!


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Old 06-17-2008, 02:48 AM
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At 16 Jun 2008 18:44:33 -0400 George wrote:

> > Actually all my phones have been registered with DO NOT CALL. I still
> > received a text message in a shopping center a month ago from some
> > local robot that sensed my nearby cellphone. I thought it was neat and
> > at the same time I was annoyed that they could do that.

>
> Thinking it was "neat" wouldn't be my first thought...


Funny, MY first thought was "impossible." How is the "local robot" going
to sniff out your phone number to text you by "sensing your phone"? Like
many of 4phun's posts, this smells fishy.

As reported in the trades, advertisers have been testing "robots" that
attempt to connect with Bluetooth-enabled phones left in discoverable mode
with offers of free ringtones or wallpapers to promote movies, etc., but
the recipient has to permit the contact and pair with the sender, and
AFAIK, the tests have been less than impressive for the sponsors (few
people understand how to use their phone's BT other than using their
headset.)

I fail to see how any "robot" could intercept a device's phone number to
text it unsolicited. I think 4phun is having "phun" with us and passing
off apocryphal urban legend as a first hand account. Next he'll tell us
you can pop corn with four iPhones... ;-)




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Old 06-17-2008, 03:32 AM
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4phun <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:e322c005-f366-41c2-802c-
6e2ce60f76b7@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:

> Brace yourself for ads on your cellphone.


The really sad part is millions of dumbasses are BUYING from this spam,
just like the web spam, dooming them, and us, to yet more billboards in our
homes, in our cars, in our pockets....

Too bad, too, because a clear message COULD be sent back up the lines that
this was unacceptable behaviour....just like MPAA and RIAA....simply stop
buying.

Maybe as we pass $10/gallon that might happen!


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