iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
There’s been a lot of talk recently about the Apple iPad. I thought
that I’d explain to everyone the reasons for the iPad’s design
issues. The design criteria for the iPad were laid out by a select
marketing team, including “he who must not be named.” There was very
little room for compromise. There were completely obvious design
criteria, and some that were not so obvious.
Some of the criteria were:
-Do not impact sales of the Macintosh product line (or as they said,
this is an iPad, not a MacPad).
-Drive sales of more content, applications, music, videos, and books.
-Become the eBook reader of choice, destroying the Kindle, the Sony
reader, and any other potential entrants into that market.
-Make it impossible to run mainstream operating systems on the
platform, including OS-X, Linux, and Windows (the CPU choice
guarantees this).
-Maintain Apple-like profit margins (no pathetic netbook margins).
-Maintain complete control over the applications that can be
installed, like the iPhone.
-Leverage the success of the iPhone applications base.
-No connectivity to non-Apple external peripherals that could turn the
device into a vertical market platform.
-Battery life like an iPod, not like a MacBook.
-Sub 800 grams.
-No stylus.
-No handwriting recognition.
-No USB ports, no memory card slots, no ports at all other than the
standard dock connector (the “connectivity kit” is a misnomer since it
only allows the device to read memory cards and USB sticks, it does
not provide a general purpose USB port or SD card slot).
-Minimize data usage on the 3G network, as a condition of receiving
preferential 3G data pricing (this included limiting web browsing
capability by not allowing Flash or Java, not including a camera, and
not allowing tethering). However all this may change once the 3G and
4G networks are able to handle the data load (and they’ll change for
the iPhone as well). A camera in a future model is virtual certainty.
-No multi-tasking of 3rd party applications (the reasons for this were
to not impact performance, battery life, and 3G data usage, i.e. they
don’t want people streaming online radio stations in the background
the whole day). No surprise considering the iPhone has the same
restriction.
-Sub $500 starting price.
The inevitable Apple bashing over the iPad’s design specifications
began minutes after it was announced, and most of it was uniformed
drivel from those that had no knowledge of the design process. Apple
fanbois had an excuse for everything that was left out, and Apple
bashers had a reason, usually wrong, as to why certain features were
missing. What people have to realize is that there are valid reasons
for every single design decision made by Apple, even though some of
the decisions make some people very unhappy. Some design issues are
cost related, some are reliability related, some are related to future
revenue streams from selling content, some are related to not causing
excessive 3G data usage, some are human factors related, some are EMI
related.
There have been a lot of jokes about the name of the product. Apple
was well aware of the Mad TV iPad spoof, and they knew that there
would be snide references to feminine hygiene products. They also knew
that the jokes about the name would generate a lot of free publicity,
and that ultimately the name would have no effect on sales. The bigger
problem they have with the iPad name is that they don’t own the iPad
trademark in many countries, including the U.S.. But they had the same
issue with the iPhone (Cisco owned the trademark) and they were able
to come to a satisfactory agreement to obtain the trademark.
The iPad is likely going to be a huge success. Apple knows how to sell
this sort of device. The low cost limited and unlimited 3G data plans
from AT&T, and the capability as an eBook reader, are big selling
points that netbooks don’t have. Apple tends to be what’s called a
“fast follower” when it comes to new product categories. They don’t
invent new technologies (i.e. the personal computer, the GUI, the
mouse, the digital music player, the smart phone, the eBook reader,
the multimedia tablet were not invented by Apple) but they know how to
take other companies’ ideas and create compelling products from the
other companies’ failures.
Apple was especially wise to not get into the netbook business.
Netbooks are a low-margin business which affects sales of higher cost
laptops. No one except the low cost Asian suppliers like Asus, MSI,
and Lenovo really want to be in the netbook business at all, but
companies like HP, Dell, and Toshiba feel obligated to not ignore the
huge netbook market. Steve Jobs is not the only CEO to make
disparaging remarks about netbooks. Even Michael Dell puts down
netbooks, and his company sells them.
It will be interesting to see if the iPad can be jailbroken as easily
as the iPhone. My gut tells me that Apple has taken extraordinary
measures to keep that from happening.
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
Ira <ira.j.schechtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> -Minimize data usage on the 3G network, as a condition of receiving
> preferential 3G data pricing (this included limiting web browsing
> capability by not allowing Flash or Java, not including a camera, and
> not allowing tethering). However all this may change once the 3G and
> 4G networks are able to handle the data load (and they'll change for
> the iPhone as well).
The iPhone is already able to thether - but of course your carrier has
to accept it. Outside the US the 3G networks have no problems handling
the data load.
I talked with a guy from my carrier - in his company they were quite
sure tethering through bluetooth would be possible. But of course not
sure.
> A camera in a future model is virtual certainty.
In the front, I guess. Like on MacBook, iMac and the new 24" Apple
Cinema Display.
--
Per Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
-No multi-tasking of 3rd party applications (the reasons for this were
to not impact performance, battery life, and 3G data usage, i.e. they
don’t want people streaming online radio stations in the background
the whole day). No surprise considering the iPhone has the same
restriction.
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
On Feb 1, 3:43*pm, Ira <ira.j.schecht...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There’s been a lot of talk recently about the Apple iPad.
And here's some more of it.
> I thought
> that I’d explain to everyone the reasons for the iPad’s design
> issues. *The design criteria for the iPad were laid out by a select
> marketing team, including “he who must not be named.” There was very
> little room for compromise. *There were completely obvious design
> criteria, and some that were not so obvious.
I thought that I'd explain to everyone that the reasons for providing
proper citations in journalistic endeavors.
> Some of the criteria were:
....unsubstantiated. As such, it hardly merits any critiquing of
them, since we don't really know if they truly were from the actual
design team, or merely YA piece of fiction. Regardless of how much
sense they may or may not appear to have.
> [deleted]
FWIW, this list would have been far more credible had it been posted a
day or three before the unveiling. Afterall, Hindsight is 20/20 ...
just ask the Illuminati.
> The inevitable Apple bashing over the iPad’s design specifications
> began minutes after it was announced, and most of it was uniformed
> drivel from those that had no knowledge of the design process.
Which infers that this piece does have intimate knowledge, despite no
references or other clear & impartial credentials.
No thanks, and no need. If Ira is going to spam a bunch of public
discussion groups, he'll have to "stoop" to coming back to read &
reply in public to whatever feedback transpires.
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
In article
<dad2545c-bd21-4ca9-b036-da5be82bc6af@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, -hh
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 3:43Ýpm, Ira <ira.j.schecht...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thereís been a lot of talk recently about the Apple iPad.
> > Some of the criteria were:
>
> ...unsubstantiated. As such, it hardly merits any critiquing of
> them, since we don't really know if they truly were from the actual
> design team, or merely YA piece of fiction.
if you've seen this person's posts before, it's very clear that much of
it is fiction.
> Which infers that this piece does have intimate knowledge, despite no
> references or other clear & impartial credentials.
don't hold your breath on that.
> No thanks, and no need. If Ira is going to spam a bunch of public
> discussion groups, he'll have to "stoop" to coming back to read &
> reply in public to whatever feedback transpires.
and if you do a little digging you'll find there really isn't an ira
who specializes in smartphones at all...
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article
> <640d11a4-03ea-4f2e-b96a-c790004cba69@s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Ira <ira.j.schechtman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Some of the criteria were:
>
> How do you know this? Were you on the design team? Do you have a
> source who was on that team?
>
> I'm not saying that you're wrong, but some of those criteria do not
> ring true with me.
>
>
I think the post is tongue-in-cheek facetiousness. At least I hope that's
how the guy meant it.
I don't doubt that the iPad will sell well. These days, anything Apple,
especially the "i" things, are the pet toys of the youth market, msotly
'cause they're cute more than they're functional.
But this one:
"-Become the eBook reader of choice, destroying the Kindle, the Sony reader,
and any other potential entrants into that market."
....could not have been a real goal of the Apple marketing team. The Kindle
is a highly functional device for its purpose, non-color notwithstanding,
and if I was on vacation and wanted to get my latest copy of the NY Times or
a new book, I wouldn't want to have to run around looking for some wifi
hotspot to be able to do so. The Kindle has this handled. If Apple were
serious about competing with the Kindle, they would have covered this
aspect. How many nutty people are going to sign up for a data service plan
to get this thing, not even cell-phone capable, to work for them wherever
they are? Time will tell.
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
On Feb 1, 12:43*pm, Ira <ira.j.schecht...@gmail.com> wrote:
> -Do not impact sales of the Macintosh product line (or as they said,
> this is an iPad, not a MacPad).
? Why would the go ahead and make $9 versions of the Works suite.
Does not compute.
> -Drive sales of more content, applications, music, videos, and books.
Serve customer's needs for a universal media player and this will be
the side benefit.
> -Become the eBook reader of choice, destroying the Kindle, the Sony
> reader, and any other potential entrants into that market.
Yup. Waiting around for competition to assemble itself is dumb.
> -Make it impossible to run mainstream operating systems on the
> platform, including OS-X, Linux, and Windows (the CPU choice
> guarantees this).
? This is appliance computing. While the hardware isn't a loss-leader
like the PS3, Apple WILL defend its OS to keep it from becoming a
hacker's den of thieves.
> -No connectivity to non-Apple external peripherals that could turn the
> device into a vertical market platform.
Wut. This will do 720p out and last I checked Apple doesn't make HD
TVs.
It supports bluetooth and 802.11n data interchange, not sure how the
BT pairing works tho.
> -No handwriting recognition.
"3rd party opportunity"
> -No USB ports, no memory card slots, no ports at all other than the
> standard dock connector (the “connectivity kit” is a misnomer since it
> only allows the device to read memory cards and USB sticks, it does
> not provide a general purpose USB port or SD card slot).
and output 720p.
> the iPhone as well). A camera in a future model is virtual certainty.
Perhaps, nothing certain IMO.
> -No multi-tasking of 3rd party applications (the reasons for this were
> to not impact performance, battery life, and 3G data usage, i.e. they
> don’t want people streaming online radio stations in the background
> the whole day). No surprise considering the iPhone has the same
> restriction.
AFAICT this is to limit the RAM footprint of 3rd party apps. Closing
backgrounded processes makes for a tidier long-term application
environment.
> trademark in many countries, including the U.S.. But they had the same
> issue with the iPhone (Cisco owned the trademark) and they were able
> to come to a satisfactory agreement to obtain the trademark.
$30B in the bank helps . . .
> points that netbooks don’t have. Apple tends to be what’s called a
> “fast follower” when it comes to new product categories. They don’t
> invent new technologies (i.e. the personal computer, the GUI, the
> mouse, the digital music player, the smart phone, the eBook reader,
> the multimedia tablet were not invented by Apple) but they know how to
> take other companies’ ideas and create compelling products from the
> other companies’ failures.
yup x 100.
Apple didn't invent laser printing or Postscript either, but the
LaserWriter was a multi-billion-dollar innovation for the company.
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
"Ira" <ira.j.schechtman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:640d11a4-03ea-4f2e-b96a-c790004cba69@s36g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> The inevitable Apple bashing over the iPad’s design specifications
> began minutes after it was announced, and most of it was uniformed
> drivel from those that had no knowledge of the design process.
It was pretty much established that it wasn't going to be a full computer
MANY months before the announcement. Most of those still whining about it
are morons who wanted a tablet Mac, but were only willing to pay about $200
for it. :-\
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
In article <4b67b38b$0$4976$607ed4bc@cv.net>, Carl
<crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> The Kindle
> is a highly functional device for its purpose, non-color notwithstanding,
> and if I was on vacation and wanted to get my latest copy of the NY Times or
> a new book, I wouldn't want to have to run around looking for some wifi
> hotspot to be able to do so.
good thing you don't need to do that then.
there's a new york times application for the iphone that's been out for
about 18 months and it downloads content for offline reading. it even
won the 2009 mobie award for best news app.
> The Kindle has this handled. If Apple were
> serious about competing with the Kindle, they would have covered this
> aspect.
it's not up to apple to write a new york times app, especially when the
new york times did it themselves.
> How many nutty people are going to sign up for a data service plan
> to get this thing, not even cell-phone capable, to work for them wherever
> they are?
the data plan is optional. they can get the wifi only version, load it
up with content, either off their home computer or over the air, then
go to the middle of nowhere and read/watch/listen to it.
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
el KaBong <whosaidthat@paranoia.com> wrote:
> -No multi-tasking of 3rd party applications (the reasons for this were
> to not impact performance, battery life, and 3G data usage, i.e. they
> don't want people streaming online radio stations in the background
> the whole day). No surprise considering the iPhone has the same
> restriction.
>
> http://www.pandora.com/on-the-iphone
It says nothing about it being able to run in the background in iPhones.
Well, of course we all know it will be able if it is jailbroken but that
doesn't really matter in this discussion.
--
Per Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
In article
<8063c439-986f-4029-924b-1cccec742acd@v37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Mr X <imouttahere@mac.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 12:43*pm, Ira <ira.j.schecht...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > -Do not impact sales of the Macintosh product line (or as they said,
> > this is an iPad, not a MacPad).
>
> ? Why would the go ahead and make $9 versions of the Works suite.
>
> Does not compute.
The pricing on the iWork apps is actually really interesting. Apple is
clearly trying to lead by example with the kind of pricing they want to
see for apps on the platform. I think they're working off of the theory
(apparently correct, or so some iPhone developers report) that the App
Store makes it so easy to buy apps that, if they're reasonably priced,
people just buy a lot more of them than they do for desktops, and
developers end up making more money even with the lower prices.
[snip]
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
At 01 Feb 2010 22:48:12 -0700 Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <4b67b38b$0$4976$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
> > The Kindle is a highly functional device for its purpose, non-color
> > notwithstanding, and if I was on vacation and wanted to get my latest
> > copy of the NY Times or a new book, I wouldn't want to have to run
> > around looking for some wifi hotspot to be able to do so. The Kindle
has
> > this handled.
>
> How does it handle it? This is a serious question; I'm not trying to
be
> antagonistic.
>
The Kindle includes free 3G access. The business model seems to be that
Amazon will get you to purchase enough content to cover the cost of the
delivery.
You can subscribe to electronic versions of newspapers at $5-$15/month,
or just read their webpages with the included browser if you're a
cheapskate like I am!
No Apples at Verizon - Verizon uses obsolete tech - not global
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Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
On Feb 2, 12:48*am, Michelle Steiner <miche...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <4b67b38b$0$4976$607ed...@cv.net>,
>
> *"Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> > The Kindle is a highly functional device for its purpose, non-color
> > notwithstanding, and if I was on vacation and wanted to get my latest
> > copy of the NY Times or a new book, I wouldn't want to have to run
> > around looking for some wifi hotspot to be able to do so. The Kindle has
> > this handled.
>
> How does it handle it? *This is a serious question; I'm not trying to be
> antagonistic.
>
Does the original Kindle work on any US CDMA carrier other than
Sprint?
The original Kindle is CDMA and not even Amazon with their deep
pockets bothered with the expensive Verizon CDMA Network.
When Amazon wanted to improve the product for Kindle 2 they produced
the AT&T compatible version using global GSM technology.
Apple started out with the proper global wireless technology in their
first edition of the iPad.
Did you notice Apple thinks ahead?
Do you?
The original iPad will probably be around long after the first Kindle
is dead and forgotten.
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
On Feb 1, 10:35*pm, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> The pricing on the iWork apps is actually really interesting. Apple is
> clearly trying to lead by example with the kind of pricing they want to
> see for apps on the platform. I think they're working off of the theory
> (apparently correct, or so some iPhone developers report) that the App
> Store makes it so easy to buy apps that, if they're reasonably priced,
> people just buy a lot more of them than they do for desktops, and
> developers end up making more money even with the lower prices.
Free market competition with a level playing field is a beautiful
thing.
Apple has sold more than 75M iPhone OS devices, which is FIFTEEN times
the TOTAL number of Apple II's sold over the 80s.
Software development is magical, development cost is perfectly spread
over the sales base since the marginal cost of a copy is approximately
$0 (at least for a fire & forget platform like the iPhone . . . when
you sell a $50 game the buyers rightfully expect technical support).
I was lucky to work at Microprose in the 90s and got to see how a
first-rank software operation is organized. We played morning BB in
the warehouse, and at the time I didn't understand that all the boxes
in the warehouse was Bad News for the company.
Steam and the App Store are the future. ex-Palm people I know have
told me that they tried hard to bring in app sales into Palm early
last decade, but didn't have the resources or the corporate oomph to
push it through.
> No connectivity to external devices? The iPhone SDK already allows
> third party devices to interface with the dock connector .
>
A fanboi spewed this nonsense while standing right in front of a
wifi/bluetooth enabled, really nice HP photo injet printer at BestBuy.
"Show me a picture, any picture.", I asked. He whipped out a picture in no
time onto the little screen. "Print it here!", I said, pointing to the HP
loaded with ink and paper.
Of course, it wouldn't over wifi or bluetooth as it won't connect to
devices like the nice HP printer.
"You're so smart!", he accurately observed. "You print something and show
me." I whipped out the nasty old N800 Linux tablet, paired with the
printer in a couple of seconds and printed a full-blown, Apple webpage,
COMPLETE with the Flash logo Apple puts on them....in living colour, of
course....(c;]
He couldn't even render Apple's own webpage. It redirected him to one of
those AppleWAP simple pages iPhones display.
I followed that demo with printing a picture, a PDF page, the home
screen....and to top it off a picture from my Motorola sellphone camera
stored on the phone's external memory card.....over Bluetooth from the
phone to the tablet to the printer....pretty cool, actually.
He didn't call me a name like Michelle does. He was speechless.
--
"iPad is to computing what Etch-A-Sketch is to art!"
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
Jim Mason <jimandlinda@geemail.com> wrote:
> In article <1jd9ebs.lniiqp58rdeN%per@RQNNE.invalid>, per@RQNNE.invalid
> says...
> >
> > Ira <ira.j.schechtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > -Minimize data usage on the 3G network, as a condition of receiving
> > > preferential 3G data pricing (this included limiting web browsing
> > > capability by not allowing Flash or Java, not including a camera, and
> > > not allowing tethering). However all this may change once the 3G and
> > > 4G networks are able to handle the data load (and they'll change for
> > > the iPhone as well).
> >
> > The iPhone is already able to thether - but of course your carrier has
> > to accept it. Outside the US the 3G networks have no problems handling
> > the data load.
>
> O2 in the UK appear to contradict that opinion.
OK, problems in the UK too. I guess there will be problems in Zimbabwe
and Bulgaria also ...
--
Per Erik Rønne http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> > Ira <ira.j.schecht...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Thereís been a lot of talk recently about the Apple iPad.
> > > Some of the criteria were:
>
> > ...unsubstantiated. * As such, it hardly merits any critiquing of
> > them, since we don't really know if they truly were from the actual
> > design team, or merely YA piece of fiction. *
>
> if you've seen this person's posts before, it's very clear that much of
> it is fiction.
But of course; as the saying goes, "on the Internet no one knows that
you're a dog".
> > No thanks, and no need. * If Ira is going to spam a bunch of public
> > discussion groups, he'll have to "stoop" to coming back to read &
> > reply in public to whatever feedback transpires.
>
> and if you do a little digging you'll find there really isn't an ira
> who specializes in smartphones at all...
Such as this:
<http://www.huntzinger.com/usenet/www.taftjobs.com.gif>
Of course, if this "Ira" really is that Ira, then this webpage problem
will be fixed by this afternoon. Otherwise, we can conclude that this
"Ira" is merely a sockpuppet who is committing Identity Theft in
addition to AstroTurfing.
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
nospam wrote:
> In article <4b67b38b$0$4976$607ed4bc@cv.net>, Carl
> <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> The Kindle
>> is a highly functional device for its purpose, non-color notwithstanding,
>> and if I was on vacation and wanted to get my latest copy of the NY Times or
>> a new book, I wouldn't want to have to run around looking for some wifi
>> hotspot to be able to do so.
>
> good thing you don't need to do that then.
>
> there's a new york times application for the iphone that's been out for
> about 18 months and it downloads content for offline reading. it even
> won the 2009 mobie award for best news app.
>
> <http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/iphonefaq.html>
>
>> The Kindle has this handled. If Apple were
>> serious about competing with the Kindle, they would have covered this
>> aspect.
>
> it's not up to apple to write a new york times app, especially when the
> new york times did it themselves.
>
>> How many nutty people are going to sign up for a data service plan
>> to get this thing, not even cell-phone capable, to work for them wherever
>> they are?
Not too many! My local newspaper made an electronic edition available,
over the internet, to all subscribers when snowfall scrambled delivery
of the actual paper.
It's NOT the same. It was bad enough trying to read it on a 21"
monitor. Trying to read it on a mobile device could only be worse!
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
Larry wrote:
> KDT <scarface_74@yahoo.com> wrote in news:4f858d00-7fa5-4f50-8b6f-
> bd228a0f7aee@n33g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> No connectivity to external devices? The iPhone SDK already allows
>> third party devices to interface with the dock connector .
>>
>
> A fanboi spewed this nonsense while standing right in front of a
> wifi/bluetooth enabled, really nice HP photo injet printer at BestBuy.
>
> "Show me a picture, any picture.", I asked. He whipped out a picture in no
> time onto the little screen. "Print it here!", I said, pointing to the HP
> loaded with ink and paper.
>
> Of course, it wouldn't over wifi or bluetooth as it won't connect to
> devices like the nice HP printer.
The Linux tablet is small form factor computer. The iPhone is a smart
phone. Big difference. I don't know of any smart phones that can print
directly to a Bluetooth or WiFi printer. Droid doesn't. Of course back
in the olden days I was printing directly from a Palm Pilot over IR to
an HP laser printer.
It's often very useful to be able to print or transfer directly to a
printer from a handheld device, or at least to an SD card which can hen
be inserted in the printer. Hopefully this capability will be added to
the iPhone/Touch/iPad. There's no reason I can think of why they would
want to restrict this, they probably just haven't finished the
programming yet. Remember it took them a long time for the Bluetooth
profile for Advanced Audio Distribution. No point holding up the release
of the product for something that can easily be added later, plus it
makes people happy to get new functionality in future OS upgrades.
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 05:03:09 -0800, SMS wrote
(in article <4b682252$0$1614$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>):
> Larry wrote:
>> KDT <scarface_74@yahoo.com> wrote in news:4f858d00-7fa5-4f50-8b6f-
>> bd228a0f7aee@n33g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> No connectivity to external devices? The iPhone SDK already allows
>>> third party devices to interface with the dock connector .
>>>
>>
>> A fanboi spewed this nonsense while standing right in front of a
>> wifi/bluetooth enabled, really nice HP photo injet printer at BestBuy.
>>
>> "Show me a picture, any picture.", I asked. He whipped out a picture in no
>> time onto the little screen. "Print it here!", I said, pointing to the HP
>> loaded with ink and paper.
>>
>> Of course, it wouldn't over wifi or bluetooth as it won't connect to
>> devices like the nice HP printer.
>
> The Linux tablet is small form factor computer. The iPhone is a smart
> phone. Big difference. I don't know of any smart phones that can print
> directly to a Bluetooth or WiFi printer. Droid doesn't. Of course back
> in the olden days I was printing directly from a Palm Pilot over IR to
> an HP laser printer.
>
> It's often very useful to be able to print or transfer directly to a
> printer from a handheld device, or at least to an SD card which can hen
> be inserted in the printer. Hopefully this capability will be added to
> the iPhone/Touch/iPad. There's no reason I can think of why they would
> want to restrict this, they probably just haven't finished the
> programming yet. Remember it took them a long time for the Bluetooth
> profile for Advanced Audio Distribution. No point holding up the release
> of the product for something that can easily be added later, plus it
> makes people happy to get new functionality in future OS upgrades.
There's no real technical reason why the IPhone/iPod Touch couldn't print via
Wi-Fi. It just seems that Apple never enabled printing in either of them! One
would hope that this oversight would be remedied in the iPad.
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
In article <Xns9D12DF8052060noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
> KDT <scarface_74@yahoo.com> wrote in news:4f858d00-7fa5-4f50-8b6f-
> bd228a0f7aee@n33g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
> > No connectivity to external devices? The iPhone SDK already allows
> > third party devices to interface with the dock connector .
> >
>
> A fanboi spewed this nonsense while standing right in front of a
> wifi/bluetooth enabled, really nice HP photo injet printer at BestBuy.
>
> "Show me a picture, any picture.", I asked. He whipped out a picture in no
> time onto the little screen. "Print it here!", I said, pointing to the HP
> loaded with ink and paper.
>
> Of course, it wouldn't over wifi or bluetooth as it won't connect to
> devices like the nice HP printer.
>
> "You're so smart!", he accurately observed. "You print something and show
> me." I whipped out the nasty old N800 Linux tablet, paired with the
> printer in a couple of seconds and printed a full-blown, Apple webpage,
> COMPLETE with the Flash logo Apple puts on them....in living colour, of
> course....(c;]
>
> He couldn't even render Apple's own webpage. It redirected him to one of
> those AppleWAP simple pages iPhones display.
>
> I followed that demo with printing a picture, a PDF page, the home
> screen....and to top it off a picture from my Motorola sellphone camera
> stored on the phone's external memory card.....over Bluetooth from the
> phone to the tablet to the printer....pretty cool, actually.
>
> He didn't call me a name like Michelle does. He was speechless.
You appear to be making **** up. Among other things, Apple's web site
doesn't use Flash, and the full version of it loads on iPhones. In fact,
aside from the lack of Flash support (and client-side Java, but you
don't see much of that these days), there's virtually no web page that
renders on desktop WebKit browsers that doesn't work just fine on Mobile
Safari. Why would there be? It's the same engine.
--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
In article <michelle-30C809.09463202022010@nothing.attdns.com>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <Xns9D12DF8052060noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
> > > No connectivity to external devices? The iPhone SDK already allows
> > > third party devices to interface with the dock connector .
> > >
> >
> > A fanboi spewed this nonsense while standing right in front of a
> > wifi/bluetooth enabled, really nice HP photo injet printer at BestBuy.
> >
> > "Show me a picture, any picture.", I asked. He whipped out a picture in
> > no time onto the little screen. "Print it here!", I said, pointing to
> > the HP loaded with ink and paper.
> >
> > Of course, it wouldn't over wifi or bluetooth as it won't connect to
> > devices like the nice HP printer.
>
> Gee, I print from my iPhone to my HP printer over WiFi whenever I want to.
>
How? Is there a driver?
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
In article <michelle-D1659A.09523502022010@nothing.attdns.com>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <4b682252$0$1614$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't know of any smart phones that can print directly to a Bluetooth
> > or WiFi printer.
>
> The iPhone can print directly to a WiFi HP printer. Of course, you do need
> the (free) HP printing app to do it, but it is easily done.
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/y9bg4au>
Thanks, I never thought it could print, never looked.
Appears there are a few apps for printing available, not just the HP one.
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <Xns9D12DF8052060noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>>> No connectivity to external devices? The iPhone SDK already allows
>>> third party devices to interface with the dock connector .
>>>
>> A fanboi spewed this nonsense while standing right in front of a
>> wifi/bluetooth enabled, really nice HP photo injet printer at BestBuy.
>>
>> "Show me a picture, any picture.", I asked. He whipped out a picture in
>> no time onto the little screen. "Print it here!", I said, pointing to
>> the HP loaded with ink and paper.
>>
>> Of course, it wouldn't over wifi or bluetooth as it won't connect to
>> devices like the nice HP printer.
>
> Gee, I print from my iPhone to my HP printer over WiFi whenever I want to.
>
>> He didn't call me a name like Michelle does.
>
> If you hadn't called us names, I wouldn't have called you names. You reap
> what you sow.
>
The record will show otherwise, and not only vis a vis Larry.
Re: iPad Design Criteria Explain Why the iPad is the Way it is.
Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <4b682252$0$1614$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know of any smart phones that can print directly to a Bluetooth
>> or WiFi printer.
>
> The iPhone can print directly to a WiFi HP printer. Of course, you do need
> the (free) HP printing app to do it, but it is easily done.
>
> <http://tinyurl.com/y9bg4au>
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