at&t is releasing a touch screen phone mid March, it is the LG-VU or cu920
as at&t will call it. This phone will be so close to an iPhone in features
but so much cheaper AND with a new 2 year contract a much lower price! Here
in Milwaukee authorized dealers have been given word that mid March is the
expected release. In Europe it is called the LG PRADA so Google it for the
details.
In message <47ca5223$0$4972$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> "prc2u"
<prc2u@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>at&t is releasing a touch screen phone mid March, it is the LG-VU or cu920
>as at&t will call it. This phone will be so close to an iPhone in features
>but so much cheaper AND with a new 2 year contract a much lower price! Here
>in Milwaukee authorized dealers have been given word that mid March is the
>expected release. In Europe it is called the LG PRADA so Google it for the
>details.
The iPhone isn't about features, price, performance, or anything else.
It's a fashion statement.
DevilsPGD <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in
news:sqkls3hi2avoo5qotjlfdmfbhm27ncd5hu@4ax.com:
> In message <47ca5223$0$4972$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> "prc2u"
> <prc2u@wi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>at&t is releasing a touch screen phone mid March, it is the LG-VU or
>>cu920 as at&t will call it. This phone will be so close to an iPhone
>>in features but so much cheaper AND with a new 2 year contract a much
>>lower price! Here in Milwaukee authorized dealers have been given
>>word that mid March is the expected release. In Europe it is called
>>the LG PRADA so Google it for the details.
>
> The iPhone isn't about features, price, performance, or anything else.
> It's a fashion statement.
>
> "Think Different" (just like everyone else)
>
some of the reviews are not to good
In article <sqkls3hi2avoo5qotjlfdmfbhm27ncd5hu@4ax.com>, DevilsPGD
<spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote:
> The iPhone isn't about features, price, performance, or anything else.
> It's a fashion statement.
That is your narrow opinion. The iPhone has a lot of features and many
that I am interested in. I have not bought it yet since I am convinced
for my use, as I travel a lot on trains and they don't have Wi-Fi on
the trains, is that I need 3G. I have tried it both at stores and also
been able to test the iPhones of friends. It is not a fashion
statement. It has very good features and the internet performance is
great on Wi-Fi. It is not that bad on Edge but I could use a little
more speed.
> The iPhone isn't about features, price, performance, or anything else.
> It's a fashion statement.
Translation: I can't afford an iPhone ;-)
Seriously, I have not seen one person who owns an iPhone complain about
it. What I see are usually jealous rants from what appear to persons of
high school age that troll these groups.
In article <anon-26956D.12114302032008@news.giganews.com>, anon
<anon@anon.com> wrote:
> Translation: I can't afford an iPhone ;-)
>
> Seriously, I have not seen one person who owns an iPhone complain about
> it. What I see are usually jealous rants from what appear to persons of
> high school age that troll these groups.
Everyone I know that owns one, and everyone I ask who has one have said
they are very happy with their iPhone.
I don't think it so much that they can't afford the iPhone as that
these groups are infested with trolls who have to have something to
hate.
"anon" <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
news:anon-26956D.12114302032008@news.giganews.com...
> DevilsPGD <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>
>> The iPhone isn't about features, price, performance, or anything else.
>> It's a fashion statement.
>
> Translation: I can't afford an iPhone ;-)
>
> Seriously, I have not seen one person who owns an iPhone complain about
> it. What I see are usually jealous rants from what appear to persons of
> high school age that troll these groups.
The return rate is very high. I have a apple store and a AT&T store in town.
The return rate is higher at AT&T then the apple store. Apple charges 20%
return fee.
AT&T gives you 30 days to try with no return fee's.
Was told that the return rate thru AT&T is around 25-30%
Apple company wide is around 20%
Number one reason is battery does not last very long.
> The return rate is very high. I have a apple store and a AT&T store in town.
> The return rate is higher at AT&T then the apple store. Apple charges 20%
> return fee.
> AT&T gives you 30 days to try with no return fee's.
>
> Was told that the return rate thru AT&T is around 25-30%
> Apple company wide is around 20%
>
> Number one reason is battery does not last very long.
Don't mean to be overly suspicious of your post, but could you please
provide a link to this information. Or anything even close to these
claims. A quick google search shows none of the facts in your post to be
true.
In article <9AByj.10270$5K1.10067@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net> , Kevin
Weaver <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> The return rate is very high. I have a apple store and a AT&T store in town.
> The return rate is higher at AT&T then the apple store. Apple charges 20%
> return fee.
> AT&T gives you 30 days to try with no return fee's.
>
> Was told that the return rate thru AT&T is around 25-30%
> Apple company wide is around 20%
>
> Number one reason is battery does not last very long.
I doubt you have any knowledge of the return rates. Having an Apple
store and an AT&T store in town does not give you that information.
As far as the battery life, none I have talked to who owns one has
complained about the battery life. If they have any complaint it is
that Edge can be slow. None had any regrets about buying the iPhone.
Charles wrote:
>
> I don't think it so much that they can't afford the iPhone as that
> these groups are infested with trolls who have to have something to
> hate.
In message <anon-26956D.12114302032008@news.giganews.com> anon
<anon@anon.com> wrote:
>DevilsPGD <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>
>> The iPhone isn't about features, price, performance, or anything else.
>> It's a fashion statement.
>
>Translation: I can't afford an iPhone ;-)
Correct. I just dropped ~$600 on a new phone last month, that uses up
my phone budget for this year. Maybe next year.
I'm a gadget geek. I buy lots of toys, and I gave the iPhone a good
hard look, including purchasing an iPod Touch to get familiar with the
interface and applications included, plus the keyboard and over-all form
factor.
>Seriously, I have not seen one person who owns an iPhone complain about
>it. What I see are usually jealous rants from what appear to persons of
>high school age that troll these groups.
I've seen a few -- I spent last week at a developer's conference down in
Texas, we had seven (I think) attendees with iPhones, no one person was
completely satisfied. Don't get me wrong, most were happy with their
purchases, but I did rather enjoy finding out what features people felt
was missing, and showing that it was either included on my phone, or
could be added (usually without going near a desktop PC)
Most of the complaints were due to a few different issues:
Lack of 3G -- Either for coverage or speed reasons -- The hotel has
very poor GSM coverage, although my TyTN II did seem to have three solid
bars, more then enough for a phone call, even with 3G turned off. The
iPhone guys could TXT, but phone calls were hit and miss. The Razr V3
was also hit and miss for voice (but then, it's several years older)
Lack of GPS -- Which you might not appreciate until someone drops you in
the navigator seat in an unfamiliar country and either aren't willing to
pay for roaming data, or don't have sufficient coverage to download
Google Maps data on demand.
Lack of physical keyboard -- Okay, I went trolling for this one, one of
the guys was crowing over how great the keyboard was, so I suggested we
play "who can type the names of each company and individual attending
the conference the fastest" -- The iPhone was beaten by my TyTN II in
both keyboard mode *and* style-keyboard-on-screen mode, a Treo, and even
an original Razr V3.
Lack of IMAP IDLE -- The iPhone needs to poll for mail every once in a
while, it's not capable of receiving mail pushed out from an arbitrary
IMAP server, only a couple special ones defined by Apple. This can be
important when you're roaming and paying substantial TXT rates, but need
to get a quick "hey, I'm getting a ride in the company truck, don't hold
the shuttle for me" message out.
Lack of any server based contact and calendar synchronization -- SyncML
has been included in every non-smartphone I've owned in many years, and
is a software add-on to every smartphone I've owned or used. Now sure,
you could hack the iPhone and add SyncML... In fact, one guy did:
A full half of the phones were SIM unlocked and/or application unlocked.
In fact, during the conference 1.1.4 hit, one attendee ended up bricking
his hacked iPhone (he says he didn't intend to update, clicked the wrong
button or something)
Don't get me wrong, the iPhone does have a pretty decent browser (better
then any other portable device I've used), a decent form factor, and
despite being rather minimalist in terms of configirability, it's not a
bad interface. However, it's not exactly a cheap phone at $399 with a
two year contract it actually comes in more expense with less features
then the AT&T TILT ($299.99 on a two year contract, after mail-in
rebate)
"anon" <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
news:anon-FE6181.12454702032008@news.giganews.com...
> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> The return rate is very high. I have a apple store and a AT&T store in
>> town.
>> The return rate is higher at AT&T then the apple store. Apple charges 20%
>> return fee.
>> AT&T gives you 30 days to try with no return fee's.
>>
>> Was told that the return rate thru AT&T is around 25-30%
>> Apple company wide is around 20%
>>
>> Number one reason is battery does not last very long.
>
> Don't mean to be overly suspicious of your post, but could you please
> provide a link to this information. Or anything even close to these
> claims. A quick google search shows none of the facts in your post to be
> true.
It was told to me thru the employee's. Was in a apple store when a person
brought back a iphone. I asked the guy why it was being returned. She said
battery life. Then went on to say that was the number 1 reason they return
it.
The other was from the AT&T Store. A friend works there. He was the one that
gave me the number's. Google iphone battery life. A lot of unhappy buyers
out there.
Charles <fort514@mac.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:020320081249586768%fort514@mac.com:
> In article <9AByj.10270$5K1.10067@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net> , Kevin
> Weaver <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> The return rate is very high. I have a apple store and a AT&T store
>> in town. The return rate is higher at AT&T then the apple store.
>> Apple charges 20% return fee.
>> AT&T gives you 30 days to try with no return fee's.
>>
>> Was told that the return rate thru AT&T is around 25-30%
>> Apple company wide is around 20%
>>
>> Number one reason is battery does not last very long.
>
> I doubt you have any knowledge of the return rates. Having an Apple
> store and an AT&T store in town does not give you that information.
>
> As far as the battery life, none I have talked to who owns one has
> complained about the battery life. If they have any complaint it is
> that Edge can be slow. None had any regrets about buying the iPhone.
>
So, you feel the need to discredit the personal knowledge of someone who
has negative things to say about the iPhone, but then feel free to
"enlighten" us with your own unsubstantiated opinion?
"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
news:ccqls3pe2pchqqedkd6adbh945e0bctto9@4ax.com...
> In message <anon-26956D.12114302032008@news.giganews.com> anon
> <anon@anon.com> wrote:
>
>>DevilsPGD <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The iPhone isn't about features, price, performance, or anything else.
>>> It's a fashion statement.
>>
>>Translation: I can't afford an iPhone ;-)
>
> Correct. I just dropped ~$600 on a new phone last month, that uses up
> my phone budget for this year. Maybe next year.
>
> I'm a gadget geek. I buy lots of toys, and I gave the iPhone a good
> hard look, including purchasing an iPod Touch to get familiar with the
> interface and applications included, plus the keyboard and over-all form
> factor.
>
>>Seriously, I have not seen one person who owns an iPhone complain about
>>it. What I see are usually jealous rants from what appear to persons of
>>high school age that troll these groups.
>
> I've seen a few -- I spent last week at a developer's conference down in
> Texas, we had seven (I think) attendees with iPhones, no one person was
> completely satisfied. Don't get me wrong, most were happy with their
> purchases, but I did rather enjoy finding out what features people felt
> was missing, and showing that it was either included on my phone, or
> could be added (usually without going near a desktop PC)
>
> Most of the complaints were due to a few different issues:
>
> Lack of 3G -- Either for coverage or speed reasons -- The hotel has
> very poor GSM coverage, although my TyTN II did seem to have three solid
> bars, more then enough for a phone call, even with 3G turned off. The
> iPhone guys could TXT, but phone calls were hit and miss. The Razr V3
> was also hit and miss for voice (but then, it's several years older)
>
> Lack of GPS -- Which you might not appreciate until someone drops you in
> the navigator seat in an unfamiliar country and either aren't willing to
> pay for roaming data, or don't have sufficient coverage to download
> Google Maps data on demand.
>
> Lack of physical keyboard -- Okay, I went trolling for this one, one of
> the guys was crowing over how great the keyboard was, so I suggested we
> play "who can type the names of each company and individual attending
> the conference the fastest" -- The iPhone was beaten by my TyTN II in
> both keyboard mode *and* style-keyboard-on-screen mode, a Treo, and even
> an original Razr V3.
>
> Lack of IMAP IDLE -- The iPhone needs to poll for mail every once in a
> while, it's not capable of receiving mail pushed out from an arbitrary
> IMAP server, only a couple special ones defined by Apple. This can be
> important when you're roaming and paying substantial TXT rates, but need
> to get a quick "hey, I'm getting a ride in the company truck, don't hold
> the shuttle for me" message out.
>
> Lack of any server based contact and calendar synchronization -- SyncML
> has been included in every non-smartphone I've owned in many years, and
> is a software add-on to every smartphone I've owned or used. Now sure,
> you could hack the iPhone and add SyncML... In fact, one guy did:
>
> A full half of the phones were SIM unlocked and/or application unlocked.
> In fact, during the conference 1.1.4 hit, one attendee ended up bricking
> his hacked iPhone (he says he didn't intend to update, clicked the wrong
> button or something)
>
> Don't get me wrong, the iPhone does have a pretty decent browser (better
> then any other portable device I've used), a decent form factor, and
> despite being rather minimalist in terms of configirability, it's not a
> bad interface. However, it's not exactly a cheap phone at $399 with a
> two year contract it actually comes in more expense with less features
> then the AT&T TILT ($299.99 on a two year contract, after mail-in
> rebate)
You can get the tilt cheaper at Costco. 249.99 (After mail in rebate) and it
comes with leather case and 12V power cord and a Motorola Bluetooth headset.
AT&T Has been known to price match at some stores.
The tilt is to thick for my taste. But a great phone. with more to offer
then the iphone.
Or, there are other legitimate ways to spend $400-500.
> Seriously, I have not seen one person who owns an iPhone complain about
> it.
Fair enough.
I had dinner with a friend last night who's been a huge iPod fan from day
one. He's owned Palm Treos for several years, and I've continually
harrassed him (without success) to let me show him how to use the various
options (he essentially just used it for PIM functions to avoid lugging
both a Palm and a phone. He didn't even bother with a data plan.)
Last night he was showing me his new iPhone. He loves it dearly, and was
giving me the laundry list of things it could do- e-mail, web browsing, yada,
yada. Not one thing he mentioned was a feature that wasn't available on
his old Treo. (And a few the Treo did better- for example, to access
needed documents on the road, he e-mails them all to himself right before
leaving to access them with the iPhone's e-mail client because he can't
transfer them to the phone.)
All-in-all, though, he's another satisfied iPhone customer.
> What I see are usually jealous rants from what appear to persons of
> high school age that troll these groups.
Perhaps a few of them, but most are guys like me who think the iPhone is a
perfectly nice piece for what it is, but are tired of the fanboys
announcing every feature of, or website for, the iPhone as if it's a new
technological breakthrough in mobile telephony.
Larry wrote:
> "prc2u" <prc2u@wi.rr.com> wrote in news:47ca5223$0$4972
> $4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> This phone will be so close to an iPhone in features
>
> Well, it has cleverly concealed buttons iPhone doesn't
>
> But, it looks more like a Sellphone in functionality after watching the
> videos. It does Sellphone things so they can rent it to you, by the month.
>
> Just like Iphone, it has no storage cards, no programs to install, only
> what a Sellphone company downloads to you.
>
> No thanks.....I have a ROKR Z6m SELLphone, already....
>
I've had my Iphone coming up on a year now, and the battery life is
great. With heave usage it will last 48 hrs without turning off at
night. My 3G Nokia N75 won't even last 12 hrs.
People say if everybody has one, that's a "bad thing?", but I don't
care-I bought it for myself, and am very pleased with it, I don't care
if alot of people are buying it, but it tells me that other people feel
the same way.
LG Prada is not the Iphone killer, sorry guys, I've seen it on Korean
drama Coffee Prince, and read the rewiews....
In article <fqfv1l$b8g$2@aioe.org>, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
> Perhaps a few of them, but most are guys like me who think the iPhone is a
> perfectly nice piece for what it is, but are tired of the fanboys
> announcing every feature of, or website for, the iPhone as if it's a new
> technological breakthrough in mobile telephony.
No, most of them are not like you. They don't have a balanced view.
And they are many times worse than that one goof who you are tired of.
The goof may be in in high school or just out of it, he sounds like a
naive, over enthusastic youngster, and will hopefully grow up some day.
The ranting trolls need something to hate and people to bully.
>> What I see are usually jealous rants from what appear to persons of
>> high school age that troll these groups.
>
>
> Perhaps a few of them, but most are guys like me who think the iPhone is a
> perfectly nice piece for what it is, but are tired of the fanboys
> announcing every feature of, or website for, the iPhone as if it's a new
> technological breakthrough in mobile telephony.
I happen to agree with what you said, but since the fall, I see more people
*****ing about the iPhone then the fanboi rants.
I have both the Tilt and iPhone the later I bought recently, I like them
both, and if I was given a choice of one, probably would stick with the
Tilt.
>>And Prada isn't?
>
> Well, that depends on how you look at it. It's price tag is a fashion
> statement, but Prada doesn't have the evangelist style fanclub the
> iPhone does.
Nor does it have 850mhz and 3g either, which basicaly limits it to TM. I
have heard rumors that the 850 thing might have been added or a North
American Version of the Prada for AT&T.
At 04 Mar 2008 08:31:30 -0500 Michael N. Paris wrote:
> I happen to agree with what you said, but since the fall, I see more
> people *****ing about the iPhone then the fanboi rants.
True, but that's the nature of successful trolling, isn't it? One Oxford
"Look! The iPhone has Call Timers now- I guess Nokia will be out of
business by next Saturday!"-type of post garners more flame responses than
a month's worth of Navas Cingular FAQ crossposts! (And I'm typically as
guilty as anyone, responding to the stupidest of them, like the "look,
Encyclopedia Britannica has a WAP page for iPhones now and it's better than
their real page!" thread."
> I have both the Tilt and iPhone the later I bought recently, I like them
both,
> and if I was given a choice of one, probably would stick with the Tilt.
The iPhone really bugs me from an "if only..." standpoint. It's a fantastic,
enviable piece of hardware, hobbled up by it's software. I really wanted
one... until I played with it and ran into the limitations. I hope Apple
learns from user feedback and corrects a lot of the deficiencies.
On the other hand, while I really love the WinMo OS, I am contintually
frustated by the lackluster, underpowered, and frankly, butt-ugly hardware
it runs on.
I'm hoping the upcoming Sony WinMo phone will finally marry form and
function for WinMo. I don't pick my phone based on it's attractiveness,
but it would be nice to be able to choose a full-featured PDA phone that
didn't feature the "sleek lines" of a circa-1997 Palm Pilot! ;-)
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> amazed us all with the
following in news:elmop-71A525.20340104032008@nntp4.usenetserver.com:
> In article <fqjn1i$j2r$1@aioe.org>,
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:
>
>> The iPhone really bugs me from an "if only..." standpoint. It's a
>> fantastic, enviable piece of hardware, hobbled up by it's software.
>> I really wanted one... until I played with it and ran into the
>> limitations. I hope Apple learns from user feedback and corrects a
>> lot of the deficiencies.
>>
>> On the other hand, while I really love the WinMo OS, I am
>> contintually frustated by the lackluster, underpowered, and frankly,
>> butt-ugly hardware it runs on.
>
> There are women you date, and there are women you marry.
>
>
And THAT is the perfect analogy for this situation, Elmo. Might even make
a good sig.
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