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Old 08-03-2009, 04:19 AM
iPhone 3GS KICKS some serious DONKEY!! It is much better than the 3G
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Default iPhone controls new Jap LEAF with 100 mile commuter range

Nissan unveiled their all-electric LEAF (press release, and Flash
site). Slated to launch in late 2010 in Japan, the US, and Europe,
this car will have a 100-mile range, seats 5, has an advanced computer
system with remote control by IPhone, and promises to be competitively
priced. While this car's range won't work for everyone, it could be a
game changer as a commuter car." Recharge time is 8 hours with a 200-
volt power source, and "just under 30 minutes with a quick
charger" (no further details given) to charge to 80% of capacity.

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Old 08-03-2009, 07:24 AM
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"iPhone 3GS KICKS some serious DONKEY!! It is much better than the 3G"
<vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:50cfe53d-d9ef-476b-8568-
72e3b8ab7a4e@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

> Slated to launch in late 2010 in Japan, the US, and Europe,
>


Hmmm...We should be running Iphone 9.2GS by then!



--
Larry

http://flightaware.com/analysis/allflights_movie.rvt
Each tiny red dot is an airliner in this Quicktime movie, ONE recent day of
air travel in the USA. What would happen if "they" found out this was the
real source of air pollution or cancer or why all the bugs around my
streetlight have disappeared? Would "they" tell us? Would "they" STOP
IT?!

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Old 08-03-2009, 07:40 AM
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Default Re: iPhone controls new Jap LEAF with 100 mile commuter range

"iPhone 3GS KICKS some serious DONKEY!! It is much better than the 3G"
<vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:50cfe53d-d9ef-476b-8568-
72e3b8ab7a4e@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

> Recharge time is 8 hours with a 200-
> volt power source, and "just under 30 minutes with a quick
> charger" (no further details given) to charge to 80% of capacity.
>
>


He forgot to mention you're gonna need 3-phase 408VAC 400 amp service for
the quickcharger.....(c;]

No, no, silly! For the CAR, not the Iphone!

24KwH battery pack. 80% of that is 19.2KwH in .5 hours = >160A at 240VAC?
80A at 480VAC? Wow! I don't think the Dryer outlet is gonna like a 160A
load!

There'll have to be a new loadcenter for the car installed to the main
breaker panel, assuming you already have 300A or higher service, which you
don't. This will be fun to watch.

200V DC to the car will be at around 200 amps. Mom's not gonna like
hauling out those WELDING CABLES from the service station, either, for 30
minutes!

They got some bugs to work out.....physics.
It's not gonna charge on the cable to the weedeater.....


--
Larry

http://flightaware.com/analysis/allflights_movie.rvt
Each tiny red dot is an airliner in this Quicktime movie, ONE recent day of
air travel in the USA. What would happen if "they" found out this was the
real source of air pollution or cancer or why all the bugs around my
streetlight have disappeared? Would "they" tell us? Would "they" STOP
IT?!

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Old 08-03-2009, 08:41 AM
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Larry wrote:
> "iPhone 3GS KICKS some serious DONKEY!! It is much better than the 3G"
> <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:50cfe53d-d9ef-476b-8568-
> 72e3b8ab7a4e@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Recharge time is 8 hours with a 200-
>> volt power source, and "just under 30 minutes with a quick
>> charger" (no further details given) to charge to 80% of capacity.
>>
>>

>
> He forgot to mention you're gonna need 3-phase 408VAC 400 amp service for
> the quickcharger.....(c;]
>
> No, no, silly! For the CAR, not the Iphone!
>
> 24KwH battery pack. 80% of that is 19.2KwH in .5 hours = >160A at 240VAC?
> 80A at 480VAC? Wow! I don't think the Dryer outlet is gonna like a 160A
> load!
>
> There'll have to be a new loadcenter for the car installed to the main
> breaker panel, assuming you already have 300A or higher service, which you
> don't. This will be fun to watch.
>
> 200V DC to the car will be at around 200 amps. Mom's not gonna like
> hauling out those WELDING CABLES from the service station, either, for 30
> minutes!
>
> They got some bugs to work out.....physics.
> It's not gonna charge on the cable to the weedeater.....
>
>


The quickcharging points may well be at motorway service stations or
similar, pop in for a coffee and when you're out your car is charged and
ready to drive.

Range has often been the deal breaker for battery powered cars, 100
miles is fine for tootling around town and a charge overnight but longer
journeys would be possible using quick charge points in parking garages
and service stations.

Mike

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Old 08-03-2009, 02:33 PM
Larry
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Mike <mikeloveschampagneandrugby@googlemail.com> wrote in news:h564pa
$puv$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> Range has often been the deal breaker for battery powered cars, 100
> miles is fine for tootling around town and a charge overnight but

longer
> journeys would be possible using quick charge points in parking

garages
> and service stations.
>
> Mike
>
>


What's too bad is they haven't gotten a reality check and built a little
diesel car I can run on the same filtered, used vegoil I run my Mercedes
220D and 300TD diesel cars on. The oil company barons' fingerprints are
all over the "new diesel technology" cars that must run on more
expensive special diesel fuels that everyone is afraid to run on free
vegoil.

All my vehicles except my Honda Reflex 250cc scooter run on a mix of 1
part mineral spirits (paint thinner) I get from painting contractors
cheap plus 50 parts cleaned vegoil I collect on Fridays from 3 Chinese
restaurants for free. Three of us have a little "French Fried Oil
Company" that use either straight vegoil because they have Frybrids in
them or my paint thinner blends to unmodified old diesel cars and trucks
like VW Rabbits, Mercedes simple injected engines and large V-8 GM 6.2
and 6.5L simple injected diesel trucks and vans.

Driving for free is terribly addictive. We only buy lube oil from the
barons, which is horribly inflated in price after the crude prices
collapsed from $140/bbl. Lube oil prices never came back down from
$12/gallon, even at Walmart.

A new battery for a 2005 Prius is $US7,300 at your friendly ripoff
Toyota dealer. On the net, you pay about $2500-3000 plus a hefty
shipping charge. Electric car batteries are another matter, entirely.
The Prius runs on battery for a mile before the engine starts to save
it. Electric car batteries must take the full load, so just add a zero
to the Prius price and I think you're in the ball park....hence the
battery rental scheme.

Battery cars aren't ready for use, limited by this horrible expense. I
don't see a savings paying a battery rental fee plus electricity useage
charges, inflated by horrible taxes and addons or an oil company for
fuel. Government bureaucrats will figure a way to charge your electric
car for road usage as soon as they come up over the money grab radar
screens. Bureaucrats aren't going to let electrics drive on their roads
for free, either. 24KwH = 100 miles To charge it will take about 30Kwh
x 11c/KwH (here) = $3/100 miles or $30/thousand miles. 30mpg at $2.50 =
$7.50 = $83/thousand miles. That battery rental fee is going to have to
be awful slim to keep par from the $53/thousand mile difference.

$53/thousand x 15 thousand = $795/year difference. The gas car battery
is $60 at any Autozone. Doesn't make sense.....


--
Larry

http://flightaware.com/analysis/allflights_movie.rvt
Each tiny red dot is an airliner in this Quicktime movie, ONE recent day
of
air travel in the USA. What would happen if "they" found out this was
the real source of air pollution or cancer or why all the bugs around my
streetlight have disappeared? Would "they" tell us? Would "they" STOP
IT?!

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Old 08-03-2009, 04:06 PM
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Larry wrote:
> Mike <mikeloveschampagneandrugby@googlemail.com> wrote in news:h564pa
> $puv$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Range has often been the deal breaker for battery powered cars, 100
>> miles is fine for tootling around town and a charge overnight but

> longer
>> journeys would be possible using quick charge points in parking

> garages
>> and service stations.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>

>
> What's too bad is they haven't gotten a reality check and built a little
> diesel car I can run on the same filtered, used vegoil I run my Mercedes
> 220D and 300TD diesel cars on. The oil company barons' fingerprints are
> all over the "new diesel technology" cars that must run on more
> expensive special diesel fuels that everyone is afraid to run on free
> vegoil.
>
> All my vehicles except my Honda Reflex 250cc scooter run on a mix of 1
> part mineral spirits (paint thinner) I get from painting contractors
> cheap plus 50 parts cleaned vegoil I collect on Fridays from 3 Chinese
> restaurants for free. Three of us have a little "French Fried Oil
> Company" that use either straight vegoil because they have Frybrids in
> them or my paint thinner blends to unmodified old diesel cars and trucks
> like VW Rabbits, Mercedes simple injected engines and large V-8 GM 6.2
> and 6.5L simple injected diesel trucks and vans.
>
> Driving for free is terribly addictive. We only buy lube oil from the
> barons, which is horribly inflated in price after the crude prices
> collapsed from $140/bbl. Lube oil prices never came back down from
> $12/gallon, even at Walmart.
>
> A new battery for a 2005 Prius is $US7,300 at your friendly ripoff
> Toyota dealer. On the net, you pay about $2500-3000 plus a hefty
> shipping charge. Electric car batteries are another matter, entirely.
> The Prius runs on battery for a mile before the engine starts to save
> it. Electric car batteries must take the full load, so just add a zero
> to the Prius price and I think you're in the ball park....hence the
> battery rental scheme.
>
> Battery cars aren't ready for use, limited by this horrible expense. I
> don't see a savings paying a battery rental fee plus electricity useage
> charges, inflated by horrible taxes and addons or an oil company for
> fuel. Government bureaucrats will figure a way to charge your electric
> car for road usage as soon as they come up over the money grab radar
> screens. Bureaucrats aren't going to let electrics drive on their roads
> for free, either. 24KwH = 100 miles To charge it will take about 30Kwh
> x 11c/KwH (here) = $3/100 miles or $30/thousand miles. 30mpg at $2.50 =
> $7.50 = $83/thousand miles. That battery rental fee is going to have to
> be awful slim to keep par from the $53/thousand mile difference.
>
> $53/thousand x 15 thousand = $795/year difference. The gas car battery
> is $60 at any Autozone. Doesn't make sense.....
>
>


Waste vegoil may be 'free' but what about tax? Not sure about in the US
but here in the UK if you use it to drive a car you need to declare it
and duty is levied. Obviously way cheaper than commercial diesel but
not free. Then of course there is the time and trouble and if you don't
pay the duty you risk the wrath of the taxman.

Commercial biodiesel has been blamed for food shortages as farmers give
over land to growing the new cash crop rather than food. This may be
scaremongering but if oil supplies start to run dry and the price rises
we may well see farmers opting to grow 'money' over food with inevitable
consequences.

New diesel engines are less likely to tolerate vegoil, they are more
refined, powerful, economical and a far more pleasant to use than the
oil burners of old and as a consequence are less likely to tolerate
straight vegoil. I remember driving a ford fiesta (very small car) 1.8
diesel, it had the acceleration of suet pudding towing a caravan. I
have driven three different 1.9 diesel injections over the last 10
years, all way bigger and heavier than the fiesta and all had 0-60 times
around the 10 sec mark and better pulled strongly between the gears.
Not quiet as economical but the size of the car is probably the key, my
current audi is prob twice the weight!

Battery powered cars may not be commercially viable YET but they will be
within my lifetime I'm sure but not until the oil starts to run dry.

Mike

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Old 08-04-2009, 01:39 AM
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Mike <mikeloveschampagneandrugby@googlemail.com> wrote in news:h56urs
$vrc$1@news.eternal-september.org:

> Waste vegoil may be 'free' but what about tax? Not sure about in the

US
> but here in the UK if you use it to drive a car you need to declare it
> and duty is levied. Obviously way cheaper than commercial diesel but
> not free. Then of course there is the time and trouble and if you

don't
> pay the duty you risk the wrath of the taxman.


There's no tax on free oil in SC. They'd never make money collecting it
because so few are using it. The idea of using mineral spirits to thin
the used oil came from Jeremy Clarkson's "Top Gear" on BBC! This is the
show that told me what to try:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOFbsaNeZps

They do give you the cost of 29p/litre with the UK taxes added in.
That's not applicable here in America. I asked before doing all that
and the SC DOT bureaucrats looked at me like I was crazy....(c;]

Crazy like a fox. We've been running it like that since March of 2007
in both the 220D's little 4 cylinder, 57hp and 300TD estate wagon's 3L
turbodiesel. The exhaust is actually CLEANER with LESS carbon and
borescoping cylinders through the injector holes show the interior of
the precombustion chambers has no deposits at all! After all, I AM
pouring in a SOLVENT, you know...(c;]


>
> Commercial biodiesel has been blamed for food shortages as farmers

give
> over land to growing the new cash crop rather than food. This may be
> scaremongering but if oil supplies start to run dry and the price

rises
> we may well see farmers opting to grow 'money' over food with

inevitable
> consequences.


Germany nearly won a war against the rest of us with biodiesel like
this. Rudy Diesel had no intention of running his compression engines
on refined fuel oil. The original fuel of his diesel engines was
vegetable oil, so this is nothing new.

>
> New diesel engines are less likely to tolerate vegoil, they are more
> refined, powerful, economical and a far more pleasant to use than the
> oil burners of old and as a consequence are less likely to tolerate
> straight vegoil. I remember driving a ford fiesta (very small car)

1.8
> diesel, it had the acceleration of suet pudding towing a caravan. I
> have driven three different 1.9 diesel injections over the last 10
> years, all way bigger and heavier than the fiesta and all had 0-60

times
> around the 10 sec mark and better pulled strongly between the gears.
> Not quiet as economical but the size of the car is probably the key,

my
> current audi is prob twice the weight!


When one has a 1973 Mercedes 220D sedan, designed for taxi service as
they all were and run 24/7 idling away to keep the car warm in Germany,
one ANTICIPATES being the last in line, the slowest 57hp away-from-the-
line car of the lot. My 220D has the 4-speed automatic, a huge
American-made 2-cylinder R-12 refridgeration pump for its air
conditioner probably draining 8-10hp off the 57 limit, so it's never
going to set any land speed records.

What it HAS done is run from 1973 to 1994 with only oil changes and two
of its massive, slow-heating glow plugs. In 1994, having noted its
compression wasn't enough to start it in winter without considerable
glow plugging, I had a local Mercedes shop run by two Germans, Axel and
Stephan Reinhart of Star Motor Service, do a complete overhaul. I saved
a souvenir piston with its perfectly polished, completely unworn piston
pin sticking out of it where they forced it out of the connecting rod.
The journals could have gone back in the engine as they were well within
tolerance as was its double-row roller chain that drives the overhead
camshaft, that didn't need turning, and the injection pump, vacuum pump,
and primary fuel pump. Even the fiber shoe that tensions the chain was
in perfect condition after around 300K miles of service. I told them to
replace it all, which was done with shaking heads. The new pistons,
whos aluminum ring slots were worn, and, of course, the worn rings were
set into the newly honed, but not bored out cast iron sleeves in the
block. Now she cranks, on vegoil, with only initial preheat in the
morning. If I could just get the damned windscreen and rear window
rubbers to quit leaking and rotting out the floor!...it's major flaw.

Change oil at 3000 miles and she's ready for a trip anywhere....

>
> Battery powered cars may not be commercially viable YET but they will

be
> within my lifetime I'm sure but not until the oil starts to run dry.
>
> Mike
>
>


I don't think "batteries" are ever going to be the answer. I think
barium titanate capacitors will be:
http://bariumtitanate.blogspot.com/
Keep an eye on this blog. Keep an eye on the heavy funders who are VERY
interested in it, including DoD, Michael Dell, huge defense contractors,
and Zenn Electric cars of Canada.

A capacitor that doesn't leak off its high voltage charge so we can't
use it and has MASSIVE plate surfaces to directly store electrons,
WITHOUT the inefficiency of a chemical reaction sucking off the power
into heat is MOST INTERESTING! EEStor will be worth billions if this
technology can be cheaply made to work. BT caps would never require
replacement as there is nothing consumed in the charge/discharge cycle
like any kind of chemical battery. Zenn is betting the farm on it to
power a highway electric car that WON'T have a $20,000 chemical monster
in it.

Did I mention the only limit to how fast you can charge the capacitor is
how much AC power you can deliver to the charging system at once by how
big a cable? There'll be no 30 minute charging at the charging station.
A few thousand amps for a minute and you'll be on your way. Maybe
there'll be a giant slot car track next to the gas pumps embedded into
the pavement. You drive over it, a motor presses down your massive
conductors after the system reads the barcode under the front bumper to
"charge" your account...(c;] There's a scary arcing as you make contact
and an LED on your dash lights telling you the car computer will let you
go now...all charged up in seconds, much to the dismay of the local
power grid, I'd think.

I hope noone thinks we're gonna get "peak rate" electric rates like
this....hee hee.

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How are they gonna blame my capacitor car for the pollution from the jet
airliners, then?!


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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
3C3B1A.21133203082009@news.eternal-september.org:

> In article <Xns9C5CD225F2510noonehomecom@74.209.131.13>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> > pay the duty you risk the wrath of the taxman.

>>
>> There's no tax on free oil in SC.

>
> You owe the road tax regardless of the fuel you use.
>
> Let me get on that for you. Expect to hear from the authorities.
>


Ok, wiseguy. Where's the URL to support your bullshit?

As usual, it's absent.



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http://flightaware.com/analysis/allflights_movie.rvt
Each tiny red dot is an airliner in this Quicktime movie, ONE recent day of
air travel in the USA. What would happen if "they" found out this was the
real source of air pollution or cancer or why all the bugs around my
streetlight have disappeared? Would "they" tell us? Would "they" STOP
IT?!

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Old 08-04-2009, 10:31 PM
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>this car will have a 100-mile range, seats 5, has an advanced computer
>system with remote control by IPhone, and promises to be competitively


Does that mean I can stand by the side of a road, fire up the remote
control app, have the iPhone's GPS talk to the car's GPS, and have
the car come pick me up? It would be neat if I could also drive
to the main entrance of my destination, get out, and tell the car "go
park yourself".



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Gordon Burditt wrote:
>> this car will have a 100-mile range, seats 5, has an advanced computer
>> system with remote control by IPhone, and promises to be competitively

>
> Does that mean I can stand by the side of a road, fire up the remote
> control app, have the iPhone's GPS talk to the car's GPS, and have
> the car come pick me up? It would be neat if I could also drive
> to the main entrance of my destination, get out, and tell the car "go
> park yourself".
>


Nice - but what about picking you up after a night on the pop and drive
you home. Add vibrating seats and who needs a wife!

Mike

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gordonb.mvm1u@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) wrote in
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> It would be neat if I could also drive
> to the main entrance of my destination, get out, and tell the car "go
> park yourself".
>


Yeah, but be REAL careful of your diction when you tell it this!....(c;]


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http://flightaware.com/analysis/allflights_movie.rvt
Each tiny red dot is an airliner in this Quicktime movie, ONE recent day of
air travel in the USA. What would happen if "they" found out this was the
real source of air pollution or cancer or why all the bugs around my
streetlight have disappeared? Would "they" tell us? Would "they" STOP
IT?!

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"Larry" <noone@home.com> wrote in message
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> "iPhone 3GS KICKS some serious DONKEY!! It is much better than the 3G"
> <vic.healey@gmail.com> wrote in news:50cfe53d-d9ef-476b-8568-
> 72e3b8ab7a4e@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Slated to launch in late 2010 in Japan, the US, and Europe,
>>

>
> Hmmm...We should be running Iphone 9.2GS by then!


No, we should be running from remote-controlled cars!!!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com



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