iPhone FAQ

iPhone FAQ

This FAQ addresses the frequently asked questions regarding the Apple
iPhone. If you have any suggestions or corrections for the iPhone FAQ,
please send them to iraDOTjDOTschechtman@gmail.com (replace DOT with a
period).

This FAQ will be re-posted periodically to alt.cellular.attws,
alt.cellular.t-mobile, alt.cellular.verizon, alt.cellular.sprintpcs,
comp.sys.mac.advocacy, and other relevant groups.


Q. How do I change the battery on my iPhone?

A. Unfortunately, you must send the phone back to Apple's service
depot for battery replacement. The cost is $86.95. See "http://
tinyurl.com"/iphonebatteryreplacement. If you don’t mind voiding your
warranty (or your iPhone is already out of warranty), and you are good
working with small electronics, a number of companies sell replacement
batteries for both the 2G and 3G iPhones at far lower prices. In
Google shopping search for “iPhone 3G Battery Replacement.“ The iPhone
is easy to open, i.e. the 3G model has two Phillips 00 screws on the
bottom that hold the phone together. Note that on the original iPhone
the battery is soldered in, so you’ll need to unsolder the original
battery and solder in the new one. It’s not all that hard to do, but
if you’ve never soldered before you might want to practice on some
wires first. Be careful about using after-market batteries of unknown
orgin as lithium based batteries can be dangerous.


Q. How do I enable voice dialing on my iPhone?

A. Unfortunately, the current iPhone model does not support voice
dialing. There are some after-market voice dialing applications for
the iPhone available in the Apps store, but because the iPhone lacks a
button to press for voice dialing, you still have to use the screen to
start the application which makes the feature somewhat lame. You can
also purchase a Bluetooth device such as the Parrot Minikit Slim
Portable Bluetooth Car Kit for iPhone 3G, iPhone, which will transfer
the phonebook from the iPhone to itself and do voice dialing
externally.The next generation iPhone will likely support voice
dialing natively.


Q. Why can't I stream music from my iPhone to a Bluetooth stereo
headset?

A. Unfortunately, Apple did not include the necessary Bluetooth
profile, called Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP) in the
original OS. This profile has been added in OS 3.0. Update your iPhone
and A2DP will work.


Q. How do I connect my notebook computer to the iPhone to use my
carrier's 3G network over Bluetooth or USB or WiFi?

A. Unfortunately, tethering is not yet supported on the iPhone. You
will need to sign up for separate 3G data service from your carrier.
Note that when Apple and the carrier do support tethering it is a
virtual certainty that the carrier will charge extra for it. The good
news is that tethering support is built into OS 3.0 and developers
have already had it working, see "http://tinyurl.com"/iphonetethering.
It’s just a matter of time before tethering will work.


Q. When I insert a prepaid SIM card when travelling in foreign
countries it doesn't work. What am I doing wrong?

A. Unfortunately, iPhones are subsidy-locked to the carrier. Unless
you have your iPhone unlocked (jail broken) you cannot use a prepaid
SIM card. While AT&T will unlock their other quad band phones, they
will not unlock the iPhone. Be very careful when travelling
internationally because the iPhone can "phone home" running up
enormous roaming chargers. Your best bet is to carry along an unlocked
GSM phone and use a prepaid SIM card in that phone, and use your
iPhone only on Wi-Fi networks (and of course as a music and video
player).


Q. I can’t find a memory card slot on the iPhone. How can I transfer
photos from my digital camera to my iPhone?

A. Unfortunately, the iPhone lacks the Micro-SD or Mini-SD card slot
present on most smart phones. You must use iPhoto (on a Mac) or iTunes
to transfer photos.


Q. I want to use a Bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone but it doesn’t
seem to connect. What am I doing wrong?

A. Unfortunately, the iPhone does not support the proper Bluetooth
profile. You can use a Bluetooth keyboard only on jailbroken iPhones.


Q. The camera on my iPhone doesn’t have sufficient wide-angle range.
Is there any after-market device to fix this?

A. Yes. See "http://usbfever.com/index_eproduct_view.php?
products_id=789".


Q. The camera on my iPhone doesn’t have sufficient telephoto range. Is
there any after-market device to fix this?

A. Yes. See "http://mobile.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?
prod_id=03534".


Q. I frequently take long international airline flights and the iPhone
battery goes flat during the flight. How can I work around this?

A. Since the iPhone battery is not user-replaceable, a number of
companies have produced work-around products. In Google shopping
search for “iPhone battery external.”

Also, look into whether or not your airline (and the plane used on
your particular flight) has any sort of power jacks at the seat. Some
airlines have power jacks even in coach. Be sure to bring the proper
adapters for the type of system used by your airline (i.e. 120VAC to
5VDC USB adapter, 12VDC to 5VDC USB adapter, or EmPower to 5VDC USB
adapter).


Q. I want to use my iPhone for work related stuff, but my IT
department doesn’t support it. How can I convince them to add support
to the iPhone for enterprise applications?

A. The main problem with the iPhone in terms of enterprise support is
the inablility to push applications to the iPhone. Enterprises don’t
want to have to use iTunes, with the phone wired to a desktop, to push
applications. The other problem with the iPhone is that enterprises
don’t want to be locked to AT&T as a carrier, though for personally
owned iPhones this should not be an issue. On the plus side,
enterprises like the low cost of the iPhone.

Once the exclusivity arrangement with AT&T is over, if there is a
version of the iPhone for Verizon, then IT departments will offer more
support for the iPhone. In the meantime, you’ll have to go with
Blackberry or Windows Mobile if you want full IT support on a smart
phone.


Q. The internal memory on the iPhone is insufficient for storing the
amount of music and videos I would like. I don’t want to carry around
a laptop, but an external hard drive would be okay. Is there any after-
market USB add-on drive to expand the storage to something like the
120GB on the iPod Classic?

A. Unfortunately, there is no way to connect a USB drive to the USB
port of the iPhone. Your best bet is to carry around a netbook, and
transfer music and videos back and forth between the netbook and the
iPhone. It is not clear if the SIMA Hitch will work with the iPhone
(it works with FAT32 formatted iPods). It’s likely that as Apple
expands the iPhone line there will be different models available and
at least one model will have disk based storage (like the iPod
Classic).


Q. I often have no signal on my iPhone, why is this?

A. Unfortunately, while the iPhone is a very advanced device, it’s
only as good as the network that it operates on. Unfortunately, in the
U.S., the smaller AT&T Wireless network significantly lags the larger
Verizon Wireless network in terms of coverage, especially outside of
urban areas. Since Verizon operates a CDMA network, the GSM iPhone
cannot roam onto Verizon.

Interestingly, Apple first approached Verizon with the iPhone and
Verizon turned them down because of Apple’s proposal for monthly
revenue sharing.

You have several options regarding phone calls outside of the GSM
network coverage area. If you have a laptop, you can sign up with a
VOIP provider such as Skype, and make calls over the Internet (i.e. at
hotels with free wireless). You can carry along a prepaid CDMA phone
that works on Verizon. You can use pay phones. Of course if you never
venture out of GSM coverage areas, this is unnecessary, but most
iPhone users in the U.S. often find themselves in areas without any
GSM coverage.


Q. Is their a way to listen to the radio on the iPhone?

A. Unfortunately, the Apple iPod Radio Remote is incompatible with the
iPhone. However there is an after-market FM radio available. See
"http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13773".


Q. Will my iPhone work in Japan?

A. No. Unfortunately, Japan uses a different 3G and voice system than
is present in the iPhone. You cannot use your iPhone in Korea either.
There is a Japanese model of the iPhone available, but because the
iPhone lacks many of the advanced features that Japanese consumers
expect in their phones, sales have been abysmal. In fact the Japanese
carrier for the iPhone has had to rush out add-on accessories to
address the iPhone’s shortcomings, for example the lack of an
integrated TV tuner. See "http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/
08/10/30/japanese_iphone_owners_to_be_offered_tv_tuner_add_ on.html".


Q. Where are the best places to buy iPhone accessories?

A. "http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=iphone" and
"http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.iphone".


Q. Why does Apple make highly desirable, and seemingly easy to
implement features, so difficult?

A. In some cases the software or drivers necessary to implement these
features has simply not yet been written. The iPhone is a relatively
new platform, and it will take Apple a while to catch up with phones
using other operating systems (Windows Mobile, Palm, RIM, Symbian,
Android).

In some cases Apple wants to protect its revenue stream and does not
want to offer any features that would cause users to purchase fewer
applications or content (i.e. that’s why there is no FM radio built
in).

In some cases it’s not entirely Apple, it’s also the carrier. For
example, AT&T would rather get a cut of roaming revenue from foreign
carriers than to have an iPhone user stick in a prepaid SIM card.

In some cases, the hardware was not designed to support the feature.
I.e. there’s no button to press for voice dialing because there are no
hard buttons on the phone at all.

The iPhone was designed and marketed as phone/web browser/media
player. Now it’s transitioning into a Smart Phone, and that transition
isn’t going to be without some problems. Be patient. Future iPhones
will likely solve most of the issues, and iPhone users will someday
have many of the same features already enjoyed by Blackberry Storm and
Windows Mobile users. For the next year or so, if you can't live
without some features, you'll have to choose a different smart phone.


© 2009 Ira J. Schechtman
Ira J. Schechtman is a technology expert specializing in smart phones.
Contact him at iraDOTjDOTschechtman@gmail.com (replace DOT with a
period).

ira.j.schechtman@gmail.com wrote:
> iPhone FAQ
>
> This FAQ addresses the frequently asked questions regarding the Apple
> iPhone. If you have any suggestions or corrections for the iPhone FAQ,
> please send them to iraDOTjDOTschechtman@gmail.com (replace DOT with a
> period).
>
> This FAQ will be re-posted periodically to alt.cellular.attws,
> alt.cellular.t-mobile, alt.cellular.verizon, alt.cellular.sprintpcs,
> comp.sys.mac.advocacy, and other relevant groups.
>
>
> Q. How do I change the battery on my iPhone?
>
> A. Unfortunately, you must send the phone back to Apple's service
> depot for battery replacement. The cost is $86.95. See "http://
> tinyurl.com"/iphonebatteryreplacement. If you don’t mind voiding your
> warranty (or your iPhone is already out of warranty), and you are good
> working with small electronics, a number of companies sell replacement
> batteries for both the 2G and 3G iPhones at far lower prices. In
> Google shopping search for “iPhone 3G Battery Replacement.“ The iPhone
> is easy to open, i.e. the 3G model has two Phillips 00 screws on the
> bottom that hold the phone together. Note that on the original iPhone
> the battery is soldered in, so you’ll need to unsolder the original
> battery and solder in the new one. It’s not all that hard to do, but
> if you’ve never soldered before you might want to practice on some
> wires first. Be careful about using after-market batteries of unknown
> orgin as lithium based batteries can be dangerous.
>
>
> Q. How do I enable voice dialing on my iPhone?
>
> A. Unfortunately, the current iPhone model does not support voice
> dialing. There are some after-market voice dialing applications for
> the iPhone available in the Apps store, but because the iPhone lacks a
> button to press for voice dialing, you still have to use the screen to
> start the application which makes the feature somewhat lame. You can
> also purchase a Bluetooth device such as the Parrot Minikit Slim
> Portable Bluetooth Car Kit for iPhone 3G, iPhone, which will transfer
> the phonebook from the iPhone to itself and do voice dialing
> externally.The next generation iPhone will likely support voice
> dialing natively.
>
>
> Q. Why can't I stream music from my iPhone to a Bluetooth stereo
> headset?
>
> A. Unfortunately, Apple did not include the necessary Bluetooth
> profile, called Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP) in the
> original OS. This profile has been added in OS 3.0. Update your iPhone
> and A2DP will work.
>
>
> Q. How do I connect my notebook computer to the iPhone to use my
> carrier's 3G network over Bluetooth or USB or WiFi?
>
> A. Unfortunately, tethering is not yet supported on the iPhone. You
> will need to sign up for separate 3G data service from your carrier.
> Note that when Apple and the carrier do support tethering it is a
> virtual certainty that the carrier will charge extra for it. The good
> news is that tethering support is built into OS 3.0 and developers
> have already had it working, see "http://tinyurl.com"/iphonetethering.
> It’s just a matter of time before tethering will work.
>
>
> Q. When I insert a prepaid SIM card when travelling in foreign
> countries it doesn't work. What am I doing wrong?
>
> A. Unfortunately, iPhones are subsidy-locked to the carrier. Unless
> you have your iPhone unlocked (jail broken) you cannot use a prepaid
> SIM card. While AT&T will unlock their other quad band phones, they
> will not unlock the iPhone. Be very careful when travelling
> internationally because the iPhone can "phone home" running up
> enormous roaming chargers. Your best bet is to carry along an unlocked
> GSM phone and use a prepaid SIM card in that phone, and use your
> iPhone only on Wi-Fi networks (and of course as a music and video
> player).
>
>
> Q. I can’t find a memory card slot on the iPhone. How can I transfer
> photos from my digital camera to my iPhone?
>
> A. Unfortunately, the iPhone lacks the Micro-SD or Mini-SD card slot
> present on most smart phones. You must use iPhoto (on a Mac) or iTunes
> to transfer photos.
>
>
> Q. I want to use a Bluetooth keyboard with my iPhone but it doesn’t
> seem to connect. What am I doing wrong?
>
> A. Unfortunately, the iPhone does not support the proper Bluetooth
> profile. You can use a Bluetooth keyboard only on jailbroken iPhones.
>
>
> Q. The camera on my iPhone doesn’t have sufficient wide-angle range.
> Is there any after-market device to fix this?
>
> A. Yes. See "http://usbfever.com/index_eproduct_view.php?
> products_id=789".
>
>
> Q. The camera on my iPhone doesn’t have sufficient telephoto range. Is
> there any after-market device to fix this?
>
> A. Yes. See "http://mobile.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?
> prod_id=03534".
>
>
> Q. I frequently take long international airline flights and the iPhone
> battery goes flat during the flight. How can I work around this?
>
> A. Since the iPhone battery is not user-replaceable, a number of
> companies have produced work-around products. In Google shopping
> search for “iPhone battery external.”
>
> Also, look into whether or not your airline (and the plane used on
> your particular flight) has any sort of power jacks at the seat. Some
> airlines have power jacks even in coach. Be sure to bring the proper
> adapters for the type of system used by your airline (i.e. 120VAC to
> 5VDC USB adapter, 12VDC to 5VDC USB adapter, or EmPower to 5VDC USB
> adapter).
>
>
> Q. I want to use my iPhone for work related stuff, but my IT
> department doesn’t support it. How can I convince them to add support
> to the iPhone for enterprise applications?
>
> A. The main problem with the iPhone in terms of enterprise support is
> the inablility to push applications to the iPhone. Enterprises don’t
> want to have to use iTunes, with the phone wired to a desktop, to push
> applications. The other problem with the iPhone is that enterprises
> don’t want to be locked to AT&T as a carrier, though for personally
> owned iPhones this should not be an issue. On the plus side,
> enterprises like the low cost of the iPhone.
>
> Once the exclusivity arrangement with AT&T is over, if there is a
> version of the iPhone for Verizon, then IT departments will offer more
> support for the iPhone. In the meantime, you’ll have to go with
> Blackberry or Windows Mobile if you want full IT support on a smart
> phone.
>
>
> Q. The internal memory on the iPhone is insufficient for storing the
> amount of music and videos I would like. I don’t want to carry around
> a laptop, but an external hard drive would be okay. Is there any after-
> market USB add-on drive to expand the storage to something like the
> 120GB on the iPod Classic?
>
> A. Unfortunately, there is no way to connect a USB drive to the USB
> port of the iPhone. Your best bet is to carry around a netbook, and
> transfer music and videos back and forth between the netbook and the
> iPhone. It is not clear if the SIMA Hitch will work with the iPhone
> (it works with FAT32 formatted iPods). It’s likely that as Apple
> expands the iPhone line there will be different models available and
> at least one model will have disk based storage (like the iPod
> Classic).
>
>
> Q. I often have no signal on my iPhone, why is this?
>
> A. Unfortunately, while the iPhone is a very advanced device, it’s
> only as good as the network that it operates on. Unfortunately, in the
> U.S., the smaller AT&T Wireless network significantly lags the larger
> Verizon Wireless network in terms of coverage, especially outside of
> urban areas. Since Verizon operates a CDMA network, the GSM iPhone
> cannot roam onto Verizon.
>
> Interestingly, Apple first approached Verizon with the iPhone and
> Verizon turned them down because of Apple’s proposal for monthly
> revenue sharing.
>
> You have several options regarding phone calls outside of the GSM
> network coverage area. If you have a laptop, you can sign up with a
> VOIP provider such as Skype, and make calls over the Internet (i.e. at
> hotels with free wireless). You can carry along a prepaid CDMA phone
> that works on Verizon. You can use pay phones. Of course if you never
> venture out of GSM coverage areas, this is unnecessary, but most
> iPhone users in the U.S. often find themselves in areas without any
> GSM coverage.
>
>
> Q. Is their a way to listen to the radio on the iPhone?
>
> A. Unfortunately, the Apple iPod Radio Remote is incompatible with the
> iPhone. However there is an after-market FM radio available. See
> "http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13773".
>
>
> Q. Will my iPhone work in Japan?
>
> A. No. Unfortunately, Japan uses a different 3G and voice system than
> is present in the iPhone. You cannot use your iPhone in Korea either.
> There is a Japanese model of the iPhone available, but because the
> iPhone lacks many of the advanced features that Japanese consumers
> expect in their phones, sales have been abysmal. In fact the Japanese
> carrier for the iPhone has had to rush out add-on accessories to
> address the iPhone’s shortcomings, for example the lack of an
> integrated TV tuner. See "http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/
> 08/10/30/japanese_iphone_owners_to_be_offered_tv_tuner_add_ on.html".
>
>
> Q. Where are the best places to buy iPhone accessories?
>
> A. "http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=iphone" and
> "http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.iphone".
>
>
> Q. Why does Apple make highly desirable, and seemingly easy to
> implement features, so difficult?
>
> A. In some cases the software or drivers necessary to implement these
> features has simply not yet been written. The iPhone is a relatively
> new platform, and it will take Apple a while to catch up with phones
> using other operating systems (Windows Mobile, Palm, RIM, Symbian,
> Android).
>
> In some cases Apple wants to protect its revenue stream and does not
> want to offer any features that would cause users to purchase fewer
> applications or content (i.e. that’s why there is no FM radio built
> in).
>
> In some cases it’s not entirely Apple, it’s also the carrier. For
> example, AT&T would rather get a cut of roaming revenue from foreign
> carriers than to have an iPhone user stick in a prepaid SIM card.
>
> In some cases, the hardware was not designed to support the feature.
> I.e. there’s no button to press for voice dialing because there are no
> hard buttons on the phone at all.
>
> The iPhone was designed and marketed as phone/web browser/media
> player. Now it’s transitioning into a Smart Phone, and that transition
> isn’t going to be without some problems. Be patient. Future iPhones
> will likely solve most of the issues, and iPhone users will someday
> have many of the same features already enjoyed by Blackberry Storm and
> Windows Mobile users. For the next year or so, if you can't live
> without some features, you'll have to choose a different smart phone.
>
>
> © 2009 Ira J. Schechtman
> Ira J. Schechtman is a technology expert specializing in smart phones.
> Contact him at iraDOTjDOTschechtman@gmail.com (replace DOT with a
> period).
>

We seem to be getting a lot of iPhone traffic here. Does the iPhone
work on Verizon's network?

ira.j.schechtman@gmail.com wrote:

> Be careful about using after-market batteries of unknown
> orgin as lithium based batteries can be dangerous.

I'd be really careful about using batteries from an unknown source. It's
one thing when it's in a camera or laptop, but the phone is right by
your head a lot of the time. $87 is a lot, but it may be worth it.

> also purchase a Bluetooth device such as the Parrot Minikit Slim
> Portable Bluetooth Car Kit for iPhone 3G, iPhone, which will transfer
> the phonebook from the iPhone to itself and do voice dialing
> externally.The next generation iPhone will likely support voice
> dialing natively.

Oy, talk about a kludge to get around a serious omission of functionality.

> Unfortunately, Apple did not include the necessary Bluetooth
> profile, called Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP) in the
> original OS. This profile has been added in OS 3.0. Update your iPhone
> and A2DP will work.

I guess I've never considered a wire a problem. With a Bluetooth
headphone it's one more device to keep charged for minimal benefit.

> Your best bet is to carry along an unlocked
> GSM phone and use a prepaid SIM card in that phone, and use your
> iPhone only on Wi-Fi networks (and of course as a music and video
> player).

Oh great, one more thing to carry. I want to reduce the number of
devices, not increase them. But I'm sure someone will claim that only a
small percentage of iPhone users ever travel outside their home country.

> Unfortunately, the iPhone lacks the Micro-SD or Mini-SD card slot
> present on most smart phones. You must use iPhoto (on a Mac) or iTunes
> to transfer photos.

Can you e-mail pictures to yourself from a laptop and store them in the
iPhone's memory? In any case, I'm sure someone will claim that few
iPhone users would ever want to transfer photos from a digital camera to
an iPhone in situations where a computer is not available. After all,
such capability insults the iPhone's built in camera.

> A. Yes. See "http://mobile.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?
> prod_id=03534".

Amusing.

> Also, look into whether or not your airline (and the plane used on
> your particular flight) has any sort of power jacks at the seat. Some
> airlines have power jacks even in coach. Be sure to bring the proper
> adapters for the type of system used by your airline (i.e. 120VAC to
> 5VDC USB adapter, 12VDC to 5VDC USB adapter, or EmPower to 5VDC USB
> adapter).

More gadgets and wires to carry.

> It’s likely that as Apple
> expands the iPhone line there will be different models available and
> at least one model will have disk based storage (like the iPod
> Classic).

Yeah, that's a pet peeve of mine too. If the iPhone is supposed to be
this great device for video, why isn't there some sort of thin disk
drive you can glomp onto it for more storage, just like you glomp on a
battery sleeve for more battery life. If an iPod Classic (and a Zune)
can have 120GB of storage, why not an iPhone?

> You can carry along a prepaid CDMA phone
> that works on Verizon.

Let me plug PagePlus, a Verizon MVNO, but again, who wants to be
carrying yet another device.

Maybe the next hardware release will address some of this stuff.

Richard B. Gilbert wrote:

> We seem to be getting a lot of iPhone traffic here. Does the iPhone
> work on Verizon's network?

Soon.

On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, ira.j.schechtman@gmail.com posted:
> A. No. Unfortunately, Japan uses a different 3G and voice system than
> is present in the iPhone. You cannot use your iPhone in Korea either.

As much as I love to torment iToy fanboys, the above statement isn't true.

Foreign iPhones work quite well in both Japan and Korea. This includes
North Korea, should you be privileged to be allowed the use of a mobile
phone in the limited areas where the service is offered.

The first generation iPhone was GSM-only and as such did not work in
Japan or Korea. Japan's 3G network is the same UMTS 2100 system used in
most of the world (with the notable exception of North America).

The last I heard, iPhone is not marketed in South Korea yet because Apple
refuses to comply with South Korea's WIPI (wireless platform for
interoperability) standard. Other mobile phone companies offer WIPI
compliant phones in Korea.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

In article
<35826104-0242-4347-810a-dcbc8f57c0c3@y33g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
<ira.j.schechtman@gmail.com> wrote:

> iPhone FAQ
>
> This FAQ addresses the frequently asked questions regarding the Apple
> iPhone. If you have any suggestions or corrections for the iPhone FAQ,
> please send them to iraDOTjDOTschechtman@gmail.com (replace DOT with a
> period).

If we see this posted every couple of weeks, we'll know it's really
John Navas in disguise.

On 2009-03-20, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> ira.j.schechtman@gmail.com wrote:
> > Your best bet is to carry along an unlocked
> > GSM phone and use a prepaid SIM card in that phone, and use your
> > iPhone only on Wi-Fi networks (and of course as a music and video
> > player).
>
> Oh great, one more thing to carry. I want to reduce the number of
> devices, not increase them. But I'm sure someone will claim that only a
> small percentage of iPhone users ever travel outside their home country.

My wife uses that technique when she wants to use the data service
from her laptop, to work around the lack of tethering to the iPhone.
She carries an older Motorola 3G phone in her laptop bag, and swaps
the SIM from the iPhone into the Motorola for use with the laptop.

Since tethering works fine with the four carriers' SIMs she's used
with her iPhone (just not with the SIM in the iPhone) it doesn't
seem like the iPhone's problem with tethering is a problem
with the carriers.

Dennis Ferguson

Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote:

> The last I heard, iPhone is not marketed in South Korea yet because Apple
> refuses to comply with South Korea's WIPI (wireless platform for
> interoperability) standard. Other mobile phone companies offer WIPI
> compliant phones in Korea.

incorrect Mark, Apple was simply waiting until the WIPI requirement was
dropped. It ended on Dec 10th 2008, so soon South Korea will have access
to the popular iPhone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPI

David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:49c5c469$0$87068$815e3792@news.qwest.net:

> Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote:
>
>> The last I heard, iPhone is not marketed in South Korea yet because
>> Apple refuses to comply with South Korea's WIPI (wireless platform
>> for interoperability) standard. Other mobile phone companies offer
>> WIPI compliant phones in Korea.
>
> incorrect Mark, Apple was simply waiting until the WIPI requirement
> was dropped. It ended on Dec 10th 2008, so soon South Korea will have
> access to the popular iPhone.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPI
>

Wikipedia as an authoritative source?

In article <slrngsafhc.16fs.dcferguson@akit-ferguson.com>,
Dennis Ferguson <dcferguson@pacbell.net> wrote:

> On 2009-03-20, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> > ira.j.schechtman@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Your best bet is to carry along an unlocked
> > > GSM phone and use a prepaid SIM card in that phone, and use your
> > > iPhone only on Wi-Fi networks (and of course as a music and video
> > > player).
> >
> > Oh great, one more thing to carry. I want to reduce the number of
> > devices, not increase them. But I'm sure someone will claim that only a
> > small percentage of iPhone users ever travel outside their home country.
>
> My wife uses that technique when she wants to use the data service
> from her laptop, to work around the lack of tethering to the iPhone.
> She carries an older Motorola 3G phone in her laptop bag, and swaps
> the SIM from the iPhone into the Motorola for use with the laptop.
>
> Since tethering works fine with the four carriers' SIMs she's used
> with her iPhone (just not with the SIM in the iPhone) it doesn't
> seem like the iPhone's problem with tethering is a problem
> with the carriers.

It's slightly more complicated than that. The iPhone doesn't have
software that supports tethering out of the box. But if it weren't for
carrier restrictions, there would be third-party software that supported
it. We know this because there briefly *was* such software, before it
was pulled from the App Store, presumably as a result of Apple's
agreements with carriers.

3.0 *does* apparently have built-in tethering support; we'll see what
Apple manages to work out with the carriers in terms of actually letting
people use it.

--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes

On Mar 22, 9:05*am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrngsafhc.16fs.dcfergu...@akit-ferguson.com>,
> *Dennis Ferguson <dcfergu...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > On 2009-03-20, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > > ira.j.schecht...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Your best bet is to carry along an unlocked
> > > > GSM phone and use a prepaid SIM card in that phone, and use your
> > > > iPhone only on Wi-Fi networks (and of course as a music and video
> > > > player).
>
> > > Oh great, one more thing to carry. I want to reduce the number of
> > > devices, not increase them. But I'm sure someone will claim that onlya
> > > small percentage of iPhone users ever travel outside their home country.
>
> > My wife uses that technique when she wants to use the data service
> > from her laptop, to work around the lack of tethering to the iPhone.
> > She carries an older Motorola 3G phone in her laptop bag, and swaps
> > the SIM from the iPhone into the Motorola for use with the laptop.
>
> > Since tethering works fine with the four carriers' SIMs she's used
> > with her iPhone (just not with the SIM in the iPhone) it doesn't
> > seem like the iPhone's problem with tethering is a problem
> > with the carriers.
>
> It's slightly more complicated than that. The iPhone doesn't have
> software that supports tethering out of the box. But if it weren't for
> carrier restrictions, there would be third-party software that supported
> it.

always blaming the carriers instead of apple- how does this explain
the fact that you can get plenty of other phones on at&t that you can
tether with?

> We know this because there briefly *was* such software, before it
> was pulled from the App Store, presumably as a result of Apple's
> agreements with carriers.
>
> 3.0 *does* apparently have built-in tethering support; we'll see what
> Apple manages to work out with the carriers in terms of actually letting
> people use it.

why do you keep blaming the carriers when the carriers have plenty of
other phones that allow tethering?

In article
<30a12b62-e42b-4ec5-950b-138d936b2e8e@s12g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
ed <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote:

> On Mar 22, 9:05*am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <slrngsafhc.16fs.dcfergu...@akit-ferguson.com>,
> > *Dennis Ferguson <dcfergu...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > On 2009-03-20, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > > > ira.j.schecht...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Your best bet is to carry along an unlocked
> > > > > GSM phone and use a prepaid SIM card in that phone, and use your
> > > > > iPhone only on Wi-Fi networks (and of course as a music and video
> > > > > player).
> >
> > > > Oh great, one more thing to carry. I want to reduce the number of
> > > > devices, not increase them. But I'm sure someone will claim that only a
> > > > small percentage of iPhone users ever travel outside their home country.
> >
> > > My wife uses that technique when she wants to use the data service
> > > from her laptop, to work around the lack of tethering to the iPhone.
> > > She carries an older Motorola 3G phone in her laptop bag, and swaps
> > > the SIM from the iPhone into the Motorola for use with the laptop.
> >
> > > Since tethering works fine with the four carriers' SIMs she's used
> > > with her iPhone (just not with the SIM in the iPhone) it doesn't
> > > seem like the iPhone's problem with tethering is a problem
> > > with the carriers.
> >
> > It's slightly more complicated than that. The iPhone doesn't have
> > software that supports tethering out of the box. But if it weren't for
> > carrier restrictions, there would be third-party software that supported
> > it.
>
> always blaming the carriers instead of apple- how does this explain
> the fact that you can get plenty of other phones on at&t that you can
> tether with?
>
> > We know this because there briefly *was* such software, before it
> > was pulled from the App Store, presumably as a result of Apple's
> > agreements with carriers.
> >
> > 3.0 *does* apparently have built-in tethering support; we'll see what
> > Apple manages to work out with the carriers in terms of actually letting
> > people use it.
>
> why do you keep blaming the carriers when the carriers have plenty of
> other phones that allow tethering?

Looked at from one angle, Apple is partially at fault. The most
straightforward way to get tethering support for the iPhone is for Apple
to implement it as an official feature, and for carriers to official
support it. Apple apparently didn't start that process until recently.

But looking at things from that angle means ignoring all the ways in
which the carriers have completely screwed up the cellular industry, to
their benefit.

Wireless data services should work like wired data service. You pay for
a connection. There's a nearly universal standard. You bring your own
device, rather than the carrier being involved in what device you use.
And it's none of the carrier's business what services you use your
bandwidth for or what type of device you connect.

If we lived in that world, the iPhone (and everything else) would be
sold unsubsidized. You'd pick your provider, sign up, and punch a few
settings into the device so it could connect to their network. If some
third-party wrote a tethering app and submitted it to the App Store, it
would be approved and would remain available, because it won't be a
violation of anyone's terms of use.

It's not Apple's fault we don't live in that world. Apple would probably
prefer that world. It's entirely the fault of the carriers.

--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes

On Mar 22, 5:38*pm, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
> On Mar 22, 9:05*am, ZnU <z...@fake.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <slrngsafhc.16fs.dcfergu...@akit-ferguson.com>,
> > *Dennis Ferguson <dcfergu...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > On 2009-03-20, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > > > ira.j.schecht...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Your best bet is to carry along an unlocked
> > > > > GSM phone and use a prepaid SIM card in that phone, and use your
> > > > > iPhone only on Wi-Fi networks (and of course as a music and video
> > > > > player).
>
> > > > Oh great, one more thing to carry. I want to reduce the number of
> > > > devices, not increase them. But I'm sure someone will claim that only a
> > > > small percentage of iPhone users ever travel outside their home country.
>
> > > My wife uses that technique when she wants to use the data service
> > > from her laptop, to work around the lack of tethering to the iPhone.
> > > She carries an older Motorola 3G phone in her laptop bag, and swaps
> > > the SIM from the iPhone into the Motorola for use with the laptop.
>
> > > Since tethering works fine with the four carriers' SIMs she's used
> > > with her iPhone (just not with the SIM in the iPhone) it doesn't
> > > seem like the iPhone's problem with tethering is a problem
> > > with the carriers.
>
> > It's slightly more complicated than that. The iPhone doesn't have
> > software that supports tethering out of the box. But if it weren't for
> > carrier restrictions, there would be third-party software that supported
> > it.
>
> always blaming the carriers instead of apple- how does this explain
> the fact that you can get plenty of other phones on at&t that you can
> tether with?
>
> > We know this because there briefly *was* such software, before it
> > was pulled from the App Store, presumably as a result of Apple's
> > agreements with carriers.
>
> > 3.0 *does* apparently have built-in tethering support; we'll see what
> > Apple manages to work out with the carriers in terms of actually letting
> > people use it.
>
> why do you keep blaming the carriers when the carriers have plenty of
> other phones that allow tethering?

There were also other 3G phones on AT&T network before the iPhone but
none of them had the impact on AT&T's network that the iPhone had.
Apple said they have client support for tethering in the iPhone and a
third party app was already written and released that could do
tethering. Besides, It's quite obvious that Apple has a different
deal with the carriers than any other carrier, Why would Apple want to
block tethering?

In article <Xns9BD65DB286D8Abob@85.214.105.209>,
The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:

> David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> amazed us all with the following in
> news:49c5c469$0$87068$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
>
> > Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The last I heard, iPhone is not marketed in South Korea yet because
> >> Apple refuses to comply with South Korea's WIPI (wireless platform
> >> for interoperability) standard. Other mobile phone companies offer
> >> WIPI compliant phones in Korea.
> >
> > incorrect Mark, Apple was simply waiting until the WIPI requirement
> > was dropped. It ended on Dec 10th 2008, so soon South Korea will have
> > access to the popular iPhone.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPI
> >
>
> Wikipedia as an authoritative source?

It references Reuters. Is that good enough for you?

<http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssC...ews/idUSSEO543
6820081210>

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

At 22 Mar 2009 18:08:05 -0400 ZnU wrote:

> Looked at from one angle, Apple is partially at fault. The most
> straightforward way to get tethering support for the iPhone is for
> Apple to implement it as an official feature, and for carriers to
> official support it. Apple apparently didn't start that process
> until recently.
>
> But looking at things from that angle means ignoring all the ways in
> which the carriers have completely screwed up the cellular industry, to
> their benefit.


Which doesn't address the question of why virtually all other phones
support tethering and leave it to the MO (mobile operator) to sort out
how to restrict it or charge for it. Most carrier-branded phones will
allow tethering.


> Wireless data services should work like wired data service. You pay for
> a connection. There's a nearly universal standard. You bring your own
> device, rather than the carrier being involved in what device you use.


What makes you think that world is better for the consumer? While
wireless has a certain cost to provide, one could argue that that pricing
is set more by competition than by costs. I think if subsidies were
prohibited by law, we'd still have $40 entry-level voice plans, $60 data
card plans, but $100 entry-level phones rather than free.

While not heavily promoted for obvious reasons, most US carriers offer no
contract bring-your-own-device voice plans- and I'm talking about
monthly, not prepaid.


> And it's none of the carrier's business what services you use your
> bandwidth for or what type of device you connect.

While I agree to a point, the problem is that carriers have learned we as
consumers don't want to have to count KBs and MBs, so rather than offer
tiers of data based on MB usage for varying prices, they've sold tiers
based on phone "class"- dumbphones, which typically average under 50 or
100MB pay a lower rate than smartphones or iphones that use much more on
average. An (admitted lousy) analogy would be charging skinny people $10
to eat at a buffet restaurant and fat people $20, rather than charge
everyone $15.

Is that an ideal system? Of course not, but it takes the fear of
overages away from the dumbphone and smartphone user, while making
pricing accessible to dumbphone users, who are more comfortable paying
$15 for an "unlimited" plan than $10 for a 100MB plan they'd use less
than half of.

> If we lived in that world, the iPhone (and everything else) would be
> sold unsubsidized.


Yes, for $100-200 more that they sell for now. Look at the UK- you can go
either way- unsubsidized or subsidized, and most opt for subsidies,
figuring if they're going to buy service anyway, why not take a subsidy?


> You'd pick your provider, sign up, and punch a few
> settings into the device so it could connect to their network. If some
> third-party wrote a tethering app and submitted it to the App Store, it
> would be approved and would remain available, because it won't be a
> violation of anyone's terms of use.


I'm doing that now, with my HTC phone and wife's iPhone on T-
Mobile USA. Month-to-month service, no subsidies, and $6 "dumbphone"
unlimited data plans (with tethering) because T-Mo only checks if you're
using THEIR smartphones for rateplan classification. My HTC and iPhone
don't show up on their "radar."


> It's not Apple's fault we don't live in that world. Apple would
> probably prefer that world. It's entirely the fault of the carriers.


That's, if I want to be kind, disingenuous, if I want to be less kind,
utter bullshit. Apple threw their muscle around prior to the iPhone
launch trying to get the best of both worlds: a high unsubsidized selling
price, forced 2-year contracts, and a cut of monthly fees in return for
exclusivity with one operator per market. If Apple REALLY "prefered that
world" they'd have sold through multiple carriers subsidized, like Nokia,
Samsung, et al, AND offered it unlocked and unsubsidized at Apple stores
like Nokia does in Europe. Instead, Apple got in bed with the MOs,
because they like silk sheets as much as anyone else (if I may beat a bad
analogy into the ground!)

Neither national GSM carrier in the US restricts what device you can
place on their network, so unlocked, unsubsidized iPhones as a sales
strategy would've worked fairly well, considering the hordes that lined
up at Apple stores in 2007 to pay $600 for one. But that wouldn't have
netted Apple the estimated $200 per customer AT&T kickback over the life
of the 2-year contact.

Not convinced? If Apple prefered "your world," why is the iPhone the
ONLY AT&T phone that AT&T refuses to unlock (all others can be unlocked
after 90 days of service) and was (until the announcement last week) the
only AT&T phone unavailable without a 2-year contract? If I brought my
wife's unlocked, used, iPhone 2G to AT&T last week, they'd have demanded
a 2-year contract to activate it!

"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
news:alangbaker-A4B4C1.17121022032009@news.shawcable.com...
> In article <Xns9BD65DB286D8Abob@85.214.105.209>,
> The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:
>
>> David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> amazed us all with the following in
>> news:49c5c469$0$87068$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
>>
>> > Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The last I heard, iPhone is not marketed in South Korea yet because
>> >> Apple refuses to comply with South Korea's WIPI (wireless platform
>> >> for interoperability) standard. Other mobile phone companies offer
>> >> WIPI compliant phones in Korea.
>> >
>> > incorrect Mark, Apple was simply waiting until the WIPI requirement
>> > was dropped. It ended on Dec 10th 2008, so soon South Korea will have
>> > access to the popular iPhone.
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPI
>> >
>>
>> Wikipedia as an authoritative source?
>
> It references Reuters. Is that good enough for you?

Can you say shot down ? I knew you could.

> <http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssC...ews/idUSSEO543
> 6820081210>
>
> --
> Alan Baker
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> <http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>

<ira.j.schechtman@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:35826104-0242-4347-810a-dcbc8f57c0c3@y33g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
iPhone FAQ

This FAQ addresses the frequently asked questions regarding the Apple
iPhone. If you have any suggestions or corrections for the iPhone FAQ,
please send them to ira.j.schechtman@gmail.com (replace DOT with a
period).



Don't you know that the Samsung (Sprint) Instinct is the I-phone killer.

I-Phone sucks ass compared to Instinct.

ed <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote:

> > It's slightly more complicated than that. The iPhone doesn't have
> > software that supports tethering out of the box. But if it weren't for
> > carrier restrictions, there would be third-party software that supported
> > it.
>
> always blaming the carriers instead of apple- how does this explain
> the fact that you can get plenty of other phones on at&t that you can
> tether with?
>
> > We know this because there briefly *was* such software, before it
> > was pulled from the App Store, presumably as a result of Apple's
> > agreements with carriers.
> >
> > 3.0 *does* apparently have built-in tethering support; we'll see what
> > Apple manages to work out with the carriers in terms of actually letting
> > people use it.
>
> why do you keep blaming the carriers when the carriers have plenty of
> other phones that allow tethering?

it's mainly because iphone users are more tech savvy than most cell
users, so until att finishes their buildout and catches up with current
data demands of iphone users, tethering needs to be kept on hold.

be patient young grasshopper

The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:

> > Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The last I heard, iPhone is not marketed in South Korea yet because
> >> Apple refuses to comply with South Korea's WIPI (wireless platform
> >> for interoperability) standard. Other mobile phone companies offer
> >> WIPI compliant phones in Korea.
> >
> > incorrect Mark, Apple was simply waiting until the WIPI requirement
> > was dropped. It ended on Dec 10th 2008, so soon South Korea will have
> > access to the popular iPhone.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPI
>
> Wikipedia as an authoritative source?

yes, 99% of the time it is... like in this case... do some research and
you'll find the above link is accurate.

poor bob, never gets anything right....

Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> > > incorrect Mark, Apple was simply waiting until the WIPI requirement
> > > was dropped. It ended on Dec 10th 2008, so soon South Korea will have
> > > access to the popular iPhone.
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPI
> > >
> >
> > Wikipedia as an authoritative source?
>
> It references Reuters. Is that good enough for you?
>
> <http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssC...ews/idUSSEO543
> 6820081210>

just ignore bob, he's one of those persons that gets joy from always
being wrong.

"Jim Dandy" <x@x.net> wrote:

> Don't you know that the Samsung (Sprint) Instinct is the I-phone killer.
>
> I-Phone sucks ass compared to Instinct.

when did that happen? the instinct was panned by all reviews comparing
it with the iphone. did they release a new model or something?

Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> amazed us all with the following in
news:alangbaker-A4B4C1.17121022032009@news.shawcable.com:

> In article <Xns9BD65DB286D8Abob@85.214.105.209>,
> The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:
>
>> David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> amazed us all with the following in
>> news:49c5c469$0$87068$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
>>
>> > Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The last I heard, iPhone is not marketed in South Korea yet because
>> >> Apple refuses to comply with South Korea's WIPI (wireless platform
>> >> for interoperability) standard. Other mobile phone companies offer
>> >> WIPI compliant phones in Korea.
>> >
>> > incorrect Mark, Apple was simply waiting until the WIPI requirement
>> > was dropped. It ended on Dec 10th 2008, so soon South Korea will have
>> > access to the popular iPhone.
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPI
>> >
>>
>> Wikipedia as an authoritative source?
>
> It references Reuters. Is that good enough for you?
>

No.

Anybody that quotes a wiki or defends the quoting of a wiki is grasping for
straws.

"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> amazed us all with the
following in news:02Bxl.21110$YU2.13134@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com:

> "Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:alangbaker-A4B4C1.17121022032009@news.shawcable.com...
>> In article <Xns9BD65DB286D8Abob@85.214.105.209>,
>> The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> amazed us all with the following in
>>> news:49c5c469$0$87068$815e3792@news.qwest.net:
>>>
>>> > Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> The last I heard, iPhone is not marketed in South Korea yet
>>> >> because Apple refuses to comply with South Korea's WIPI (wireless
>>> >> platform for interoperability) standard. Other mobile phone
>>> >> companies offer WIPI compliant phones in Korea.
>>> >
>>> > incorrect Mark, Apple was simply waiting until the WIPI
>>> > requirement was dropped. It ended on Dec 10th 2008, so soon South
>>> > Korea will have access to the popular iPhone.
>>> >
>>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPI
>>> >
>>>
>>> Wikipedia as an authoritative source?
>>
>> It references Reuters. Is that good enough for you?
>
> Can you say shot down ? I knew you could.
>

Can you say fanboifriends? I knew you could.

The three of you should probably think about getting out of mommy and
daddy's basement long enough to get some sunlight.

David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:49c6e023$0$87065$815e3792@news.qwest.net:

> The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:
>
>> > Mark Crispin <mrc@panda.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The last I heard, iPhone is not marketed in South Korea yet because
>> >> Apple refuses to comply with South Korea's WIPI (wireless platform
>> >> for interoperability) standard. Other mobile phone companies offer
>> >> WIPI compliant phones in Korea.
>> >
>> > incorrect Mark, Apple was simply waiting until the WIPI requirement
>> > was dropped. It ended on Dec 10th 2008, so soon South Korea will have
>> > access to the popular iPhone.
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPI
>>
>> Wikipedia as an authoritative source?
>
> yes, 99% of the time it is... like in this case... do some research and
> you'll find the above link is accurate.
>
> poor bob, never gets anything right....
>

I get plenty right, and ther the easy posts to identify. There the threads
where you disappear.

David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:49c6de71$0$87065$815e3792@news.qwest.net:

> ed <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote:
>
>> > It's slightly more complicated than that. The iPhone doesn't have
>> > software that supports tethering out of the box. But if it weren't
>> > for carrier restrictions, there would be third-party software that
>> > supported it.
>>
>> always blaming the carriers instead of apple- how does this explain
>> the fact that you can get plenty of other phones on at&t that you can
>> tether with?
>>
>> > We know this because there briefly *was* such software, before it
>> > was pulled from the App Store, presumably as a result of Apple's
>> > agreements with carriers.
>> >
>> > 3.0 *does* apparently have built-in tethering support; we'll see
>> > what Apple manages to work out with the carriers in terms of
>> > actually letting people use it.
>>
>> why do you keep blaming the carriers when the carriers have plenty of
>> other phones that allow tethering?
>
> it's mainly because iphone users are more tech savvy than most cell
> users, so until att finishes their buildout and catches up with
> current data demands of iphone users, tethering needs to be kept on
> hold.
>
> be patient young grasshopper
>

Wait a minute- not more than 12 hours ago you were telling about how ATT
has the best 3g network and now you are panning it? Which is it, moron?

On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Todd Allcock posted:
> Which doesn't address the question of why virtually all other phones
> support tethering and leave it to the MO (mobile operator) to sort out
> how to restrict it or charge for it. Most carrier-branded phones will
> allow tethering.

The answer is painfully simple.

iPhone doesn't have the battery capacity to tether via Bluetooth for very
long, and Apple doesn't want to open up the protocol to tether via cable.

Typical Apple behavior. Better not to allow something, and get the
fanboys to claim that the something isn't important, than to allow it and
be humiliated by how poorly it does.

This is also why they don't allow background tasks on iPhone.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:

> > it's mainly because iphone users are more tech savvy than most cell
> > users, so until att finishes their buildout and catches up with
> > current data demands of iphone users, tethering needs to be kept on
> > hold.
> >
> > be patient young grasshopper
>
> Wait a minute- not more than 12 hours ago you were telling about how ATT
> has the best 3g network and now you are panning it? Which is it, moron?

wrong person, i haven't discussed att network quality for months.

do you know how to follow threads?

]The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:

> >>> > incorrect Mark, Apple was simply waiting until the WIPI
> >>> > requirement was dropped. It ended on Dec 10th 2008, so soon South
> >>> > Korea will have access to the popular iPhone.
> >>> >
> >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPI
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>> Wikipedia as an authoritative source?
> >>
> >> It references Reuters. Is that good enough for you?
> >
> > Can you say shot down ? I knew you could.
>
> Can you say fanboifriends? I knew you could.
>
> The three of you should probably think about getting out of mommy and
> daddy's basement long enough to get some sunlight.

you were wrong, get over it.

The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:

> >> > incorrect Mark, Apple was simply waiting until the WIPI requirement
> >> > was dropped. It ended on Dec 10th 2008, so soon South Korea will have
> >> > access to the popular iPhone.
> >> >
> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPI
> >> >
> >>
> >> Wikipedia as an authoritative source?
> >
> > It references Reuters. Is that good enough for you?
>
> No.
>
> Anybody that quotes a wiki or defends the quoting of a wiki is grasping for
> straws.

problem is bob, wikis are usually correct, so until you learn that...
you'll forever be frustrated by people like me that only post facts.

you just hate honesty for some reason.

David Moyer <davmoy@world.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:49c6ec7b$0$87075$815e3792@news.qwest.net:

> The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:
>
>> >> > incorrect Mark, Apple was simply waiting until the WIPI
>> >> > requirement was dropped. It ended on Dec 10th 2008, so soon
>> >> > South Korea will have access to the popular iPhone.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPI
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Wikipedia as an authoritative source?
>> >
>> > It references Reuters. Is that good enough for you?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> Anybody that quotes a wiki or defends the quoting of a wiki is
>> grasping for straws.
>
> problem is bob, wikis are usually correct, so until you learn that...
> you'll forever be frustrated by people like me that only post facts.


No- problem is Davey, wikis are littered with inaccuracies and this is a
well-known issue to those of us that live i nthe real world. And I'll
never be frustrated by you, Davey- your list of about-faces and
inaccuracies are much larger than I care to list and also well known in
these forums.

>
> you just hate honesty for some reason.
>

No- I dislike blind fanbois like yourself, but hate nobody. Again, you
giver yourself way more credit than you deserve.