Is there a practical way to use an iPhone as a GoPhone?
I know about hardware obsolescence, so it looks like the new AT&T
Android GoPhone is what I will end up with, but would be nice to
use the iPhone 3G I currently have for at least a while longer.
John Doe wrote:
> Is there a practical way to use an iPhone as a GoPhone?
>
> I know about hardware obsolescence, so it looks like the new AT&T
> Android GoPhone is what I will end up with, but would be nice to
> use the iPhone 3G I currently have for at least a while longer.
Get an AT&T prepaid SIM card (look on Ebay, you can get soe for $10 or
less). Call AT&T to activate prepaid service on the sim card. Or you can
do that on-line too (enter the SIM card identity/serial number.)
Then insert sim card into iphone and voila. Prepaid service on your iphone.
> John Doe wrote:
> > Is there a practical way to use an iPhone as a GoPhone?
> >
> > I know about hardware obsolescence, so it looks like the new AT&T
> > Android GoPhone is what I will end up with, but would be nice to
> > use the iPhone 3G I currently have for at least a while longer.
>
> Get an AT&T prepaid SIM card (look on Ebay, you can get soe for $10 or
> less).
Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card (at
least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on (that's 1000
minutes).
You might want to not tell them you are using this on an iPhone. You
won't need to unlock your iPhone for an AT&T prepaid SIM to work.
> Call AT&T to activate prepaid service on the sim card. Or you can
> do that on-line too (enter the SIM card identity/serial number.)
>
> Then insert sim card into iphone and voila. Prepaid service on your iphone.
In article <2139g0tmqc.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Get an AT&T prepaid SIM card (look on Ebay, you can get soe for $10 or
> > less).
>
> Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card (at
> least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on (that's 1000
> minutes).
it probably won't require that much if you go to a store, and they're a
buck or two on ebay.
> You might want to not tell them you are using this on an iPhone. You
> won't need to unlock your iPhone for an AT&T prepaid SIM to work.
you *definitely* don't, since iphone on gophone is not supported.
>> Get an AT&T prepaid SIM card (look on Ebay, you can get soe for
>> $10 or less).
>
> Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card
> (at least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on (that's
> 1000 minutes).
Is there any other fee/charge in addition to that 1000 minutes?
If not, that makes it no different than the T-Mobile 1000 minutes?
That's excellent, not having to jailbreak the thing.
Should I disconnect my current AT&T wireless service ahead of
time, before inserting the new SIM?
Thanks.
--
I see lots of reviews on Amazon that talk about $25 for three
months service on their new Android pay-as-you-go smart phone, but
they don't mention the apparent additional basic charge for the
GoPhone (like $.10 per minute). And then there is the $50
unlimited plan for a GoPhone. Sounds like they are the same people
that format my phone bill.
At 13 Sep 2011 12:05:52 -0500 nospam wrote:
> In article <2139g0tmqc.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Get an AT&T prepaid SIM card (look on Ebay, you can get soe for $10
or
> > > less).
> >
> > Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card (at
> > least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on (that's 1000
> > minutes).
>
> it probably won't require that much if you go to a store, and they're a
> buck or two on ebay.
>
> > You might want to not tell them you are using this on an iPhone. You
> > won't need to unlock your iPhone for an AT&T prepaid SIM to work.
>
> you *definitely* don't, since iphone on gophone is not supported.
Doesn't AT&T still randomly audit their network for iPhones and shut off
those without "proper" monthly plans? (After "warnings" via text
message...)
>>>> Get an AT&T prepaid SIM card (look on Ebay, you can get soe
>>>> for $10 or less).
>>>
>>> Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card
>>> (at least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on
>>> (that's 1000 minutes).
>>> You might want to not tell them you are using this on an
>>> iPhone. You won't need to unlock your iPhone for an AT&T
>>> prepaid SIM to work.
> Doesn't AT&T still randomly audit their network for iPhones and
> shut off those without "proper" monthly plans? (After
> "warnings" via text message...)
Did they ever? Why would they care after your two year contract
was over? How did they tell that the detected iPhone wasn't a full
priced unlocked iPhone? Wouldn't that drive customers to other
networks?
--
> In article <2139g0tmqc.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Get an AT&T prepaid SIM card (look on Ebay, you can get soe for $10 or
> > > less).
> >
> > Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card (at
> > least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on (that's 1000
> > minutes).
>
> it probably won't require that much if you go to a store, and they're a
> buck or two on ebay.
>
> > You might want to not tell them you are using this on an iPhone. You
> > won't need to unlock your iPhone for an AT&T prepaid SIM to work.
>
> you *definitely* don't, since iphone on gophone is not supported.
By "not supported" you mean that AT&T says that you aren't allowed to
use the iPhone as a prepaid phone. But as far as I can tell, they do
nothing to enforce that on phones that are no longer under contract.
> At 13 Sep 2011 12:05:52 -0500 nospam wrote:
> > In article <2139g0tmqc.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> > <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > Get an AT&T prepaid SIM card (look on Ebay, you can get soe for $10
> or
> > > > less).
> > >
> > > Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card (at
> > > least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on (that's 1000
> > > minutes).
> >
> > it probably won't require that much if you go to a store, and they're a
> > buck or two on ebay.
> >
> > > You might want to not tell them you are using this on an iPhone. You
> > > won't need to unlock your iPhone for an AT&T prepaid SIM to work.
> >
> > you *definitely* don't, since iphone on gophone is not supported.
>
>
> Doesn't AT&T still randomly audit their network for iPhones and shut off
> those without "proper" monthly plans? (After "warnings" via text
> message...)
I'm sure they woudl like us to believe that they do that. I've seen
no evidence that they make any real attempt to audit for iPhones that
are no longer under contract though.
> Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot vaxination.ca> writes:
>
> >> Get an AT&T prepaid SIM card (look on Ebay, you can get soe for
> >> $10 or less).
> >
> > Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card
> > (at least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on (that's
> > 1000 minutes).
>
> Is there any other fee/charge in addition to that 1000 minutes?
No, no other fees.
> If not, that makes it no different than the T-Mobile 1000 minutes?
Yes, almost the same. I think T-mobile gives you a small discount
when you spend $100.
One disadvantage is that AT&T charges .20 per text, which is twice
what t-mobile charges.
Although AT&T allows you to combine prepaid with a monthly text plan
of $9.99 for 1000 texts. (This is what my son has.)
> That's excellent, not having to jailbreak the thing.
>
> Should I disconnect my current AT&T wireless service ahead of
> time, before inserting the new SIM?
> Todd Allcock <elecconnec AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>
> >> Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot vaxination.ca> writes:
>
> >>>> Get an AT&T prepaid SIM card (look on Ebay, you can get soe
> >>>> for $10 or less).
> >>>
> >>> Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card
> >>> (at least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on
> >>> (that's 1000 minutes).
>
> >>> You might want to not tell them you are using this on an
> >>> iPhone. You won't need to unlock your iPhone for an AT&T
> >>> prepaid SIM to work.
>
> > Doesn't AT&T still randomly audit their network for iPhones and
> > shut off those without "proper" monthly plans? (After
> > "warnings" via text message...)
>
> Did they ever?
Yes, I wonder about this.
> Why would they care after your two year contract
> was over? How did they tell that the detected iPhone wasn't a full
> priced unlocked iPhone?
Well, at least recently their stance was that they insisted that
all iPhones have contracts and data plans. Even if the iPhone was a
full priced unlocked iPhone.
As you say though - I don't know that they've ever made a serious
attempt to enforce that.
> Wouldn't that drive customers to other
> networks?
I suspect they don't really mind driving cheapskates like me to other
networks.
On 13/09/2011 01:17, John Doe wrote:
> Is there a practical way to use an iPhone as a GoPhone?
Just briefly ...
My niece lived in america and had an AT&T iPhone on a contract.
She now lives here in England, so *I* jailbroke and unlocked it for her
to use a UK Voda sim in.
When she went back to the usa this spring, she bought a GoPhone sim and
used that, then put the Voda sim when she came home to England
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> writes:
> In article <2139g0tmqc.fsf@ethel.the.log>,
> Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card (at
> > least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on (that's 1000
> > minutes).
>
> But will they give you the RIGHT SIM card?
>
> The iPhone SIM is smaller than a standard SIM...
For the iPhone 4, you are right. For early iPhones, it is a standard
SIM.
Of course, if you are brave, you can take a normal SIM card and simply
cut it down!
In article <lzbouo149k.fsf@ethel.the.log>,
Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> writes:
>
> > In article <2139g0tmqc.fsf@ethel.the.log>,
> > Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card (at
> > > least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on (that's 1000
> > > minutes).
> >
> > But will they give you the RIGHT SIM card?
> >
> > The iPhone SIM is smaller than a standard SIM...
>
> For the iPhone 4, you are right. For early iPhones, it is a standard
> SIM.
>
> Of course, if you are brave, you can take a normal SIM card and simply
> cut it down!
>
> http://www.techradar.com/news/comput...wn-ipad-or-iph
> one-4-micro-sim-681020
And you can use the iPhone 4 sim in a 3Gs with an adapter.
In article <p0r53kl12w.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > You might want to not tell them you are using this on an iPhone. You
> > > won't need to unlock your iPhone for an AT&T prepaid SIM to work.
> >
> > you *definitely* don't, since iphone on gophone is not supported.
>
> By "not supported" you mean that AT&T says that you aren't allowed to
> use the iPhone as a prepaid phone. But as far as I can tell, they do
> nothing to enforce that on phones that are no longer under contract.
they don't seem to actively block it, but if you need to call at&t for
anything (or visit a store) they will see what device you are using.
you also have to use a custom apn since the default one won't work but
that's minor.
In article <4e6fa785$0$4525$c3e8da3$460562f1@news.astraweb.co m>, John
Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
> > Doesn't AT&T still randomly audit their network for iPhones and
> > shut off those without "proper" monthly plans? (After
> > "warnings" via text message...)
>
> Did they ever? Why would they care after your two year contract
> was over? How did they tell that the detected iPhone wasn't a full
> priced unlocked iPhone? Wouldn't that drive customers to other
> networks?
when your contract is over, you go month to month on whatever plan you
were on.
if you pop a sim from a dumbphone into an iphone (and probably android
too), the system will notice and give you a complimentary upgrade to
the smartphone plan with a data plan.
with prepaid, iphones are not supported at all, however, other
smartphones are.
In article <4e6f9063$0$2346$c3e8da3$76a7c58f@news.astraweb.co m>, John
Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
> > Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card
> > (at least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on (that's
> > 1000 minutes).
>
> Is there any other fee/charge in addition to that 1000 minutes?
> If not, that makes it no different than the T-Mobile 1000 minutes?
> That's excellent, not having to jailbreak the thing.
at&t is $15, 25, 50 or 100 cards and the expiration varies from 30 days
to a year. you don't need to spend $100 (unless you want to).
t-mobile is $10, 25, 50 or 100 and the expiration varies from 90 days
to a year.
with either carrier, load as much as you need depending on your usage
patterns and which plan you pick.
> Should I disconnect my current AT&T wireless service ahead of
> time, before inserting the new SIM?
it doesn't matter. you get an entirely new phone number. they are two
totally separate accounts and one does not affect the other. sign up
and keep as many or as few you want.
In article <elmop-D67B53.16100913092011@news.eternal-september.org>,
Elmo P. Shagnasty <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> > Or just walk into an AT&T store. They'll give you a SIM card (at
> > least they will if you put $100 worth of minutes on (that's 1000
> > minutes).
>
> But will they give you the RIGHT SIM card?
they'll give you a standard mini sim, which will work in any supported
gophone. the same sim will work in an iphone original, 3g & 3gs.
they won't give you a microsim for the iphone 4 since there aren't any
supported gophones that use microsims.
> The iPhone SIM is smaller than a standard SIM...
it is, and you can cut it to size and if you're lucky, the card *might*
be scored so that you can just snap it to size.
Not that it matters, but... I wonder why someone who has been on
UseNet for years and still does not know how to introduce prior
authors thinks he's qualified to provide technical help. Everybody
else on UseNet is smart enough to use a newsreader that properly
introduces prior authors.
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> In article <4e6fa785$0$4525$c3e8da3$460562f1 news.astraweb.com>, John
> Doe <jdoe usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > Doesn't AT&T still randomly audit their network for iPhones and
>> > shut off those without "proper" monthly plans? (After
>> > "warnings" via text message...)
>>
>> Did they ever? Why would they care after your two year contract
>> was over? How did they tell that the detected iPhone wasn't a full
>> priced unlocked iPhone? Wouldn't that drive customers to other
>> networks?
>
> when your contract is over, you go month to month on whatever plan you
> were on.
>
> if you pop a sim from a dumbphone into an iphone (and probably android
> too), the system will notice and give you a complimentary upgrade to
> the smartphone plan with a data plan.
>
> with prepaid, iphones are not supported at all, however, other
> smartphones are.
>
>
On 09-13-2011 14:18, Todd Allcock wrote:
> Doesn't AT&T still randomly audit their network for iPhones and shut off
> those without "proper" monthly plans? (After "warnings" via text
> message...)
I know someone who is using an iPhone on AT&T without data
after telling them they had gotten a regular phone.
> In article <p0r53kl12w.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > You might want to not tell them you are using this on an iPhone. You
> > > > won't need to unlock your iPhone for an AT&T prepaid SIM to work.
> > >
> > > you *definitely* don't, since iphone on gophone is not supported.
> >
> > By "not supported" you mean that AT&T says that you aren't allowed to
> > use the iPhone as a prepaid phone. But as far as I can tell, they do
> > nothing to enforce that on phones that are no longer under contract.
>
> they don't seem to actively block it, but if you need to call at&t for
> anything (or visit a store) they will see what device you are using.
If you choose to show them, yes.
> you also have to use a custom apn since the default one won't work but
> that's minor.
> In article <4e6fa785$0$4525$c3e8da3$460562f1@news.astraweb.co m>, John
> Doe <jdoe@usenetlove.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Doesn't AT&T still randomly audit their network for iPhones and
> > > shut off those without "proper" monthly plans? (After
> > > "warnings" via text message...)
> >
> > Did they ever? Why would they care after your two year contract
> > was over? How did they tell that the detected iPhone wasn't a full
> > priced unlocked iPhone? Wouldn't that drive customers to other
> > networks?
>
> when your contract is over, you go month to month on whatever plan you
> were on.
>
> if you pop a sim from a dumbphone into an iphone (and probably android
> too), the system will notice and give you a complimentary upgrade to
> the smartphone plan with a data plan.
I don't believe this.
> with prepaid, iphones are not supported at all, however, other
> smartphones are.
Again, when you say "not supported" you mean AT&T doesn't want you to
use them. But as I wrote before, they don't seem to actually _stop_
people from using prepaid sims in iPhones, and the prepaid sims work
just fine.
> On 09-13-2011 14:18, Todd Allcock wrote:
> > Doesn't AT&T still randomly audit their network for iPhones and shut off
> > those without "proper" monthly plans? (After "warnings" via text
> > message...)
>
> I know someone who is using an iPhone on AT&T without data
> after telling them they had gotten a regular phone.
Lat summer (well technically still this summer), I got an AT&T sim card
via EBAY. I was pre-punched to micro-sim card format.
Called AT&T, got it activated as prepaid, told them I was in Canada
still so they couldn't see my phone. When I got near the border, I put
the AT&T card in the phone and it worked almost instantly.
I got a 100mb data plan for a few days and surprisingly that worked.
(the year before, I wasted %25 in data which never worked on a sony
ericsson phone)
On 9/13/11 PDT 8:51 PM, Doug Anderson wrote:
> nospam<nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:
>
>> In article<p0r53kl12w.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
>> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> You might want to not tell them you are using this on an iPhone. You
>>>>> won't need to unlock your iPhone for an AT&T prepaid SIM to work.
>>>>
>>>> you *definitely* don't, since iphone on gophone is not supported.
>>>
>>> By "not supported" you mean that AT&T says that you aren't allowed to
>>> use the iPhone as a prepaid phone. But as far as I can tell, they do
>>> nothing to enforce that on phones that are no longer under contract.
>>
>> they don't seem to actively block it, but if you need to call at&t for
>> anything (or visit a store) they will see what device you are using.
>
> If you choose to show them, yes.
>
>> you also have to use a custom apn since the default one won't work but
>> that's minor.
>
> And only matters if you have data usage.
>
Not a lot of point to having an iPhone without data, is there?
In article <6ebounhjcf.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > they don't seem to actively block it, but if you need to call at&t for
> > anything (or visit a store) they will see what device you are using.
>
> If you choose to show them, yes.
you don't have to show them. they can tell which phone you have by its
imei.
> > you also have to use a custom apn since the default one won't work but
> > that's minor.
>
> And only matters if you have data usage.
> In article <6ebounhjcf.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > they don't seem to actively block it, but if you need to call at&t for
> > > anything (or visit a store) they will see what device you are using.
> >
> > If you choose to show them, yes.
>
> you don't have to show them. they can tell which phone you have by its
> imei.
Presumably this is true. But since I know several people using an
unlocked iPhone as a prepaid phone on AT&T, I have no reason to think
they _bother_ to screen for iPhone IMEIs.
> > > you also have to use a custom apn since the default one won't work but
> > > that's minor.
> >
> > And only matters if you have data usage.
>
> not too many iphone users who don't use data.
Right. But most of the people who want to use an iPhone as a prepaid
phone are in exactly that category.
In article <wahb4fp82z.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
<ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > you don't have to show them. they can tell which phone you have by its
> > imei.
>
> Presumably this is true.
it is true. there used to be a webpage that showed which phone you
have, but the link is now dead (it was at cingular.com) and i don't
know what the new link is.
> But since I know several people using an
> unlocked iPhone as a prepaid phone on AT&T, I have no reason to think
> they _bother_ to screen for iPhone IMEIs.
they don't actively look for iphones as far as i can tell, but if you
call them or visit a store and they pull up your account, they *are*
going to see what phone you use.
> > > > you also have to use a custom apn since the default one won't work but
> > > > that's minor.
> > >
> > > And only matters if you have data usage.
> >
> > not too many iphone users who don't use data.
>
> Right. But most of the people who want to use an iPhone as a prepaid
> phone are in exactly that category.
no, most people who want to use an iphone as prepaid, or any phone as
prepaid for that matter, don't want be tied to a contract for two
years, particularly one that's $50-60 per month, or they lack the
credit to get a contract plan.
> no, most people who want to use an iphone as prepaid, or any phone as
> prepaid for that matter, don't want be tied to a contract for two
> years, particularly one that's $50-60 per month, or they lack the
> credit to get a contract plan.
Travelers into the USA also want to use prepaid. They cannot get
postpaid service since they do not live in the USA and don't have bank
account in the USA.
You can enter any IMEI in your profile when you actvivate the SIM (form
an old phone for instance).
What a company like AT&T doesn't want to see is one itf its phones being
used for prepaid unless the subsidy has been repaid in full.
> In article <wahb4fp82z.fsf@ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson
> <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > you don't have to show them. they can tell which phone you have by its
> > > imei.
> >
> > Presumably this is true.
>
> it is true. there used to be a webpage that showed which phone you
> have, but the link is now dead (it was at cingular.com) and i don't
> know what the new link is.
>
> > But since I know several people using an
> > unlocked iPhone as a prepaid phone on AT&T, I have no reason to think
> > they _bother_ to screen for iPhone IMEIs.
>
> they don't actively look for iphones as far as i can tell, but if you
> call them or visit a store and they pull up your account, they *are*
> going to see what phone you use.
I don't think you're right. They'll see the IMEI. They probably
won't take the step of looking up the IMEI to find out what your phone
is.
> > > > > you also have to use a custom apn since the default one won't work but
> > > > > that's minor.
> > > >
> > > > And only matters if you have data usage.
> > >
> > > not too many iphone users who don't use data.
> >
> > Right. But most of the people who want to use an iPhone as a prepaid
> > phone are in exactly that category.
>
> no, most people who want to use an iphone as prepaid, or any phone as
> prepaid for that matter, don't want be tied to a contract for two
> years, particularly one that's $50-60 per month, or they lack the
> credit to get a contract plan.
I don't know why you wrote "no" up above.
It is true that people who use iphones as prepaid don't want to be
tied to a contract. It is also true that many (probably most) aren't
using data.
iPhone as GoPhone? 
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