People are now starting to line up for the biggest innovation event in
human history! Records will be broken as Apple continues to modernize
the obsolete Cell Phone industry.
--
ENGADGET:
iPhone 3G lines start at the Apple Cube
So we heard some really over-eager folks have decided to get a jump on
the iPhone 3G line -- a really, really big jump. Obviously, we had to
head down and see if it was true... and it is.
Right now, about ten people have started a line outside of Apple's
flagship store on 5th Avenue in New York. Word is that the family at the
head of the queue are attempting to break some kind of record which
involves their baby -- which kind of sounds a little intense if you ask
us. On the other hand, you didn't hear Greg Packer complaining, right?
We're going to wrangle some of these cats for an interview and video, so
stay tuned! For right now, check some more pics after the break.
> And the HYPE begins..... (along with Oxy's rabid FANBOI crap).
I only post news of interest to everyone, if you don't like it, leave
the group.
It's obviously very exciting that world is about to see the first
universal phone, and FINALLY with the most applications people can
actually use.
This is a milestone event for everyone that owns a cell phone. Ness,
you'll get an iphone soon enough, don't worry!
The iPhone application base as of today is 1,886, and on launch day it
will be over 4,000... I as you, can't wait to get rid of all those
obsolete Symbian, Blackberry, WinMobile devices! And once they are gone
and true opensource on the iPhone reigns, the world will be a better
place!
> The iPhone 2.0 Party has BEGUN!
>
> People are now starting to line up for the biggest innovation event in
> human history! Records will be broken as Apple continues to modernize
> the obsolete Cell Phone industry.
NYC is full of weirdo's, I'd expect nothing less...
--
Dutch
Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m
tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008
When FCC held public meetings Comcast didn't want the public to attend,
Comcast hired "Seat Warmers" to occupy all the seats in the meeting hall to
prevent the general public, fed up with Comcrap and its attitude, from
attending and expressing their views to the Commission.
......One wonders how many seat warmers Apple may have hired to stand in
line outside major Apple stores as advertising gimmicks for the new
FruitFone, making it look to the most stupid and naive public driving by
that there is huge demand for a $600 sellphone toy that doesn't really do
anything except eat money.
Sure would love to get a look inside that Apple store's accounting programs
to see what they're charging it to.....(c;
"Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote in
news:9-ydnWERCrN2T_PVnZ2dnUVZ_r_inZ2d@giganews.com:
>
> "Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
> news:apony-B46FF7.19305104072008@news.qwest.net...
>> The iPhone 2.0 Party has BEGUN!
>>
>
> And the HYPE begins..... (along with Oxy's rabid FANBOI crap).
>
> Again.
>
Wonder how many babies will be conceived in line this time??
Now THERE's a "legacy" to pass on to the next generation!
Thousands of babies were conceived in 1969 at the BIGGEST line
ever....Woodstock.....mostly at the porta potties.
"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message news:apony-42D543.20034304072008@news.qwest.net...
> "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
>
>> And the HYPE begins..... (along with Oxy's rabid FANBOI crap).
>
> I only post news of interest to everyone, if you don't like it, leave
> the group.
>
It ISN"T of "interest to everyone" - you cross post to places your crap
ISN"T WANTED! A.C.V is a group I've been in WAY before you tainted
it with your fanboi shit- and YOU gave the gall to tell me to leave it??
> It's obviously very exciting that world is about to see the first
> universal phone, and FINALLY with the most applications people can
> actually use.
>
> This is a milestone event for everyone that owns a cell phone. Ness,
> you'll get an iphone soon enough, don't worry!
OK - newsflash - I actually had one - free in fact. But, I gave it back.
For many reasons I have previously mentioned - So, nice try, but wrong - again.
>
> The iPhone application base as of today is 1,886, and on launch day it
> will be over 4,000... I as you, can't wait to get rid of all those
> obsolete Symbian, Blackberry, WinMobile devices! And once they are gone
> and true opensource on the iPhone reigns, the world will be a better
> place!
You are not only a rabit fanboi - you are a fucking idiot as well.
As soon as you spew shit like above - it shows you don't actually have a clue.
>
"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
news:apony-B46FF7.19305104072008@news.qwest.net...
> The iPhone 2.0 Party has BEGUN!
>
> People are now starting to line up for the biggest innovation event in
> human history! Records will be broken as Apple continues to modernize
> the obsolete Cell Phone industry.
>
> --
>
> ENGADGET:
>
> iPhone 3G lines start at the Apple Cube
>
> So we heard some really over-eager folks have decided to get a jump on
> the iPhone 3G line -- a really, really big jump. Obviously, we had to
> head down and see if it was true... and it is.
>
> Right now, about ten people have started a line outside of Apple's
> flagship store on 5th Avenue in New York. Word is that the family at the
> head of the queue are attempting to break some kind of record which
> involves their baby -- which kind of sounds a little intense if you ask
> us. On the other hand, you didn't hear Greg Packer complaining, right?
> We're going to wrangle some of these cats for an interview and video, so
> stay tuned! For right now, check some more pics after the break.
>
That's really very sad. You folks need to get a life, find religion or
something
>
> "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
>
>> And the HYPE begins..... (along with Oxy's rabid FANBOI crap).
>
> I only post news of interest to everyone, if you don't like it, leave
> the group.
You are not able to provide any evidence to back this statement up.
Therefore, you should leave the group.
>
> It's obviously very exciting that world is about to see the first
> universal phone,
A Blackberry?
> and FINALLY with the most applications people can
> actually use.
Not according to you. You said the majority of application you saw were
advanced medical and engineering apps.
>
> This is a milestone event for everyone that owns a cell phone. Ness,
> you'll get an iphone soon enough, don't worry!
The only milestone will be the collective yawn and the new fire sale
mentality Apple takes after the inital hoopla is over.
> > http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/04/i...-the-apple-cub
>
> When FCC held public meetings Comcast didn't want the public to attend,
> Comcast hired "Seat Warmers" to occupy all the seats in the meeting hall to
> prevent the general public, fed up with Comcrap and its attitude, from
> attending and expressing their views to the Commission.
ah, larry, apple hasn't spent a single "cent" on seat warmers in all of
its 32 year history. the enthusiasm comes from one place, and one place
only...
great products!
> .....One wonders how many seat warmers Apple may have hired to stand in
> line outside major Apple stores as advertising gimmicks for the new
> FruitFone, making it look to the most stupid and naive public driving by
> that there is huge demand for a $600 sellphone toy that doesn't really do
> anything except eat money.
>
> Sure would love to get a look inside that Apple store's accounting programs
> to see what they're charging it to.....(c;
sounds like you are jealous of someone having a vastly better products
than what Nokia can come up with.
Nobody disputes that Apple has the best cell phones, it's only people
like you that are bitter that the "old cell" world is collapsing, being
"ENTIRELY" remade by Apple into a more positive image for everyone
involved.
In article <Xns9AD1DA75B6CF9bob@216.196.97.136>,
The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:
> > and FINALLY with the most applications people can
> > actually use.
>
> Not according to you. You said the majority of application you saw were
> advanced medical and engineering apps.
never said "majority", just the most interesting. caught you in another
LIE!
Oxford <apony@pasture.com> amazed us all with the following in
news:apony-34020D.22000204072008@news.qwest.net:
> In article <Xns9AD1DA75B6CF9bob@216.196.97.136>,
> The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote:
>
>> > and FINALLY with the most applications people can
>> > actually use.
>>
>> Not according to you. You said the majority of application you saw
>> were advanced medical and engineering apps.
>
> never said "majority", just the most interesting. caught you in
> another LIE!
>
> don't post unless you are factual!
>
> -
>
What about the rest of the post, Oxtard? You said, "I only post news of
interest to everyone."
"Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote in message
news:9-ydnWERCrN2T_PVnZ2dnUVZ_r_inZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
> news:apony-B46FF7.19305104072008@news.qwest.net...
>> The iPhone 2.0 Party has BEGUN!
>>
>
> And the HYPE begins..... (along with Oxy's rabid FANBOI crap).
>
> Again.
Seven days til launch. That means what, 21 days until the first wave of
discounts are offered? No? So, it's fourteen days before they brick a
bunch of users for watching a video that isn't Apple Approved?
God, even when the Mac was new and I was an Apple tech this sort of shit
was boring. Now, over a phone? There are just some people who don't value
themselves at all except by whether they have the same gadget as someone
else, that's the only thing it can be. A whole group of people who realize
they're pretty much worthless and need something to own they can think makes
them into something even if the something it makes them is just an idiot
consumer.
In message <apony-386323.21420804072008@news.qwest.net> Oxford
<apony@pasture.com> wrote:
>Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>> > http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/04/i...-the-apple-cub
>>
>> When FCC held public meetings Comcast didn't want the public to attend,
>> Comcast hired "Seat Warmers" to occupy all the seats in the meeting hall to
>> prevent the general public, fed up with Comcrap and its attitude, from
>> attending and expressing their views to the Commission.
>
>ah, larry, apple hasn't spent a single "cent" on seat warmers in all of
>its 32 year history. the enthusiasm comes from one place, and one place
>only...
Mindless obedience to "think different" just like Apple tells you?
>great products!
Oh, so close!
>> .....One wonders how many seat warmers Apple may have hired to stand in
>> line outside major Apple stores as advertising gimmicks for the new
>> FruitFone, making it look to the most stupid and naive public driving by
>> that there is huge demand for a $600 sellphone toy that doesn't really do
>> anything except eat money.
>>
>> Sure would love to get a look inside that Apple store's accounting programs
>> to see what they're charging it to.....(c;
>
>sounds like you are jealous of someone having a vastly better products
>than what Nokia can come up with.
You couldn't pay me to own a Nokia until they take some basic UI design
lessons.
>Nobody disputes that Apple has the best cell phones,
I do.
>it's only people
>like you that are bitter that the "old cell" world is collapsing, being
>"ENTIRELY" remade by Apple into a more positive image for everyone
>involved.
Entirely remade?
Oh, like the revenue sharing? Or the limited choice in plans? Or the
"active at home" scheme?
I found this disturbing as a small AT&T branch store told me
yesterday they expect to be sold out by 10 AM.
They only were getting 40 iPhones for July 11 at their little
location.
AT&T will sell to volume buyers who are buying five or more from major
corporations starting at 5:30 AM so I expect some main AT&T stores to
be sold out before the darn doors even open to the general public.
Those people in NY may be standing in line in vain.
On Jul 4, 9:30*pm, Oxford <ap...@pasture.com> wrote:
> The iPhone 2.0 Party has BEGUN!
>
> People are now starting to line up for the biggest innovation event in
> human history! Records will be broken as Apple continues to modernize
> the obsolete Cell Phone industry.
Oxford wrote:
> "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
>
>> And the HYPE begins..... (along with Oxy's rabid FANBOI crap).
>
> I only post news of interest to everyone, if you don't like it, leave
> the group.
>
No interest to me or lots of folks I know.
What is really sad is how someone can let a device define their life.
Your knees may get wobbly when you think about iphones but I can assure
you there are lots of normal folks who are not fanbois who really don't
care about iphones. You really only make yourself look juvenile and
clueless like a teenage girl obsessed over some rock star.
It's obviously very exciting that world is about to see the first
> universal phone, and FINALLY with the most applications people can
> actually use.
>
> This is a milestone event for everyone that owns a cell phone. Ness,
> you'll get an iphone soon enough, don't worry!
>
> The iPhone application base as of today is 1,886, and on launch day it
> will be over 4,000... I as you, can't wait to get rid of all those
> obsolete Symbian, Blackberry, WinMobile devices! And once they are gone
> and true opensource on the iPhone reigns, the world will be a better
> place!
>
> http://www.apple.com/webapps/
>
> more here:
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/04/i...-the-apple-cub
> e-one-week-early/
>
> and here:
>
> http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/7/i...-forms-at-nyc-
> apple-store-aapl-
>
> come join the party!
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>
> -
>
> Ness - 1 group penalty!
Washington Post says Sprint's Instinct sucks compared to iPhone
It Only Looks Like an iPhone
By Rob Pegoraro
Thursday, July 3, 2008; Page D01
So many people are lining up to buy a new touch-screen wireless phone
that the carrier selling it can't keep up with demand.
No, not that one.
The popularity of Sprint Nextel's Samsung Instinct -- the company says
its first-week sales beat those of all its other broadband-capable
phones -- represents a bit of a puzzler.
The Instinct comes with a long inventory of added capabilities: Web
browsing, e-mail, text/picture/video messaging, digital music and
video playback, photography and video recording, GPS navigation and so
on. But it fumbles most of these more ambitious tasks.
Start with its on-screen keyboard, which offers neither effective
spell-checking nor tactile feedback, ensuring plenty of typos.
The Instinct also doesn't make enough use of its mobile broadband
Internet access (limited to Sprint's coverage, as the Instinct lacks a
WiFi receiver). Its Web browser struggles as much with full-size sites
as the antiquated software on Palm OS phones, taking an irritatingly
long time to display some of them. Its e-mail software ignores Web
formatting in messages and can't read PDF attachments, one of the most
common kinds of files to arrive in a message.
Then he goes on to say in a nice way that the Sprint Instinct suffers
compared to...
"The other is choice. The iPhone is an amazing machine --"
Well Rob there goes that Sprint's advertising account in the
Washington Post... but we appreciate an honest review.
On Jul 4, 9:30*pm, Oxford <ap...@pasture.com> wrote:
> The iPhone 2.0 Party has BEGUN!
> Nobody disputes that Apple has the best cell phones, it's only people
> like you that are bitter that the "old cell" world is collapsing, being
> "ENTIRELY" remade by Apple into a more positive image for everyone
> involved.
Except that you said all this last year when iPhone 1.0 launched, and all I
see a year later is Apple fixing some of their most agregious errors- lack
of 3rd party support, failed revenue-sharing model, lack of features shared
by other phones in it's price range (GPS, 3G), etc.
Oxford wrote:
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>>> http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/04/i...-the-apple-cub
>>
>> When FCC held public meetings Comcast didn't want the public to
>> attend, Comcast hired "Seat Warmers" to occupy all the seats in the
>> meeting hall to prevent the general public, fed up with Comcrap and
>> its attitude, from attending and expressing their views to the
>> Commission.
>
> ah, larry, apple hasn't spent a single "cent" on seat warmers in all
> of its 32 year history. the enthusiasm comes from one place, and one
> place only...
>
> great products!
>
Well, while it's hard to deny these days that Apple's products are perhaps
"great", let us not forget that Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy perhaps
5 years ago. Macs weren't selling and few people were interested. I believe
it was Microsoft who bailed them out (I'm open to correction on the
specifics) because they would have been left as a "monopoly", a bad thing
with government regulation. Then the iPod came along and Apple's fortunes
changed, almost overnight.
While I love gadgets, and really want to own an iPhone just because I'm a
gadget nut, I still find them to be more hype than substance when it comes
to business use. Apple is still up to its old tricks of limiting what the
device is allowed to do. Its failure to sync completely, easily, and
INEXPENSIVELY with Outlook on a PC, for example, is a major drawback for me.
The fact that software "fixes" for a problem like that add significant
additional cost to the device is arrogant to me, and, I think, is what did
Apple in in the first place. And those "fixes" are not even complete fixes,
which makes it even worse.
I am sorry that Apple is not, and never has been. more consumer-friendly.
Explain to me why my Blackberry Curve (on Verizon) isn't a "better" device
than the iPhone for practical use? It's a great phone, plays all my mp3s
and iTunes, has a good camera with a flash, and a video recorder, is more
compact, does email very well (though not all attachments), syncs 100% with
MS Outlook on a PC for FREE, has very usable, and fast internet access,
albeit not with all that pinch and slide techno-gimmickry. Tell me, who's
really going to sit on their iPhone and do internet access all day? No
matter how cool the iPhone appears to do it, the device is still too small
for the kind of comfort you get from a laptop or desktop for long-term
browsing.
I wonder if the iPhone is really going to take over and change the cell
phone industry or whether it will crash and burn with time as most consumers
will find they really don't want or need to do the stuff the iPhone offers?
And that is not to diminish my admittedly own personal fascination with the
device while it's relatively new. Time will tell.
I have been syncing OUTLOOK with the old iPhone from day one using
iTunes sync function.
Duh?
It does not sync in version 1.14 with Outlook notes without a thrid
party helper application which is FREE.
I understand the new version iPhone OS 2.0 does sync Notes to but I
will only know for sure when I see it in action.
Microsoft has aided Apple immensely by releasing Vista for new PCs. It
has aided Apple's entry into the mobile phone market by releasing
Microsoft Windows Mobile and Smartphone software.
â™*â™*â™*
On Jul 5, 10:22Â*am, "Carl" <croth...@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
!
>
> Well, while it's hard to deny these days that Apple's products are perhaps
> "great", let us not forget that Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy perhaps
> 5 years ago. Macs weren't selling and few people were interested. I believe
> it was Microsoft who bailed them out (I'm open to correction on the
> specifics) because they would have been left as a "monopoly", a bad thing
> with government regulation. Then the iPod came along and Apple's fortunes
> changed, almost overnight.
>
> While I love gadgets, and really want to own an iPhone just because I'm a
> gadget nut, I still find them to be more hype than substance when it comes
> to business use. Apple is still up to its old tricks of limiting what the
> device is allowed to do. Its failure to sync completely, easily, and
> INEXPENSIVELY with Outlook on a PC, for example, is a major drawback for me.
> The fact that software "fixes" for a problem like that add significant
> additional cost to the device is arrogant to me, and, I think, is what did
> Apple in in the first place. And those "fixes" are not even complete fixes,
> which makes it even worse.
>
> I am sorry that Apple is not, and never has been. more consumer-friendly.
>
> Explain to me why my Blackberry Curve (on Verizon) isn't a "better" device
> than the iPhone for practical use? Â*It's a great phone, plays all mymp3s
> and iTunes, has a good camera with a flash, and a video recorder, is more
> compact, does email very well (though not all attachments), syncs 100% with
> MS Outlook on a PC for FREE, has very usable, and fast internet access,
> albeit not with all that pinch and slide techno-gimmickry. Tell me, who's
> really going to sit on their iPhone and do internet access all day? Â*No
> matter how cool the iPhone appears to do it, the device is still too small
> for the kind of comfort you get from a laptop or desktop for long-term
> browsing.
>
> I wonder if the iPhone is really going to take over and change the cell
> phone industry or whether it will crash and burn with time as most consumers
> will find they really don't want or need to do the stuff the iPhone offers?
> And that is not to diminish my admittedly own personal fascination with the
> device while it's relatively new. Time will tell.
The Bob <nospam@bob.com> wrote in news:Xns9AD1DA75B6CF9bob@216.196.97.136:
> The only milestone will be the collective yawn and the new fire sale
> mentality Apple takes after the inital hoopla is over.
>
>
Wish I were closer to NYC for the coronation. I'd love to stream live
video from the N800 walking around in the crowd of fanbois to Xiph's server
on the net...great fun.
Someone will be streaming live, just like the last time, the night before
the coronation. It's not as cold as it was before on that line...(c;
Paul Miner <pminer@elrancho.invalid> wrote in
news:kitt6453lgu2faffve9hkjmjf6o8umfnp6@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:30:51 -0600, Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote:
>
>>So we heard some really over-eager folks have decided to get a jump on
>>the iPhone 3G line -- a really, really big jump. Obviously, we had to
>>head down and see if it was true... and it is.
>>
>>Right now, about ten people have started a line outside of Apple's
>>flagship store on 5th Avenue in New York. Word is that the family at the
>>head of the queue are attempting to break some kind of record which
>>involves their baby -- which kind of sounds a little intense if you ask
>>us.
>
> Ten people? TEN people?? And they're in line so they can break a
> record? You mean it has nothing to do with Apple and the iPhone?
> *yawn* It's a sad day when you can only find ten weirdos in a city the
> size of NY.
>
Seat Warmers.....I wonder what Apple is paying them to camp out there??
> AT&T will sell to volume buyers who are buying five or more from major
> corporations starting at 5:30 AM so I expect some main AT&T stores to
> be sold out before the darn doors even open to the general public.
>
>
I'm trying to buy a new Smart CDi diesel Smart. All the Smart dealers and
Smart USA are playing this same game of holding back, trying to create
demand in a terrible car sales environment by only selling each dealer a
handful of cars a month....trying to prevent discounting. They'll threaten
to disband any dealer who discounts.
I may have to go to Canada to get the little diesel I can run on used
vegetable oil like my old Mercedes and stepvan. SmartUSA won't import
them, another stupid game that's gonna screw our local dealer out of $15K
of my cash. Pity....it wasn't my decision.
I don't play these bullshit games with anyone....especially dealers,
FruitFone or Smart.
The diesel Smart gets over 70mpg and is the absolute carbon emission king
of any car made, including electrics and hybrids when one considers power
plant emissions caused by electric car charging. An Italian magazine got
3.3 litres/100 km fuel consumption on a REAL trip from Italy to Germany
through the mountains. They made the whole trip on one little tank of
diesel fuel...(c; The little diesel engine turns under 3000 RPM, because
diesel injection MUST happen quite slowly, which should produce a car I can
keep for many years. My 1973 Mercedes 220D has only been overhauled once
since 1972...36 years. I'm growing tired of fighting its body being
consumed.
Too bad my dealer doesn't want to sell me one. I took wads of $100 bills
over there and laid them on his desk. I thought he was gonna shit his
greedy pants....hee hee.
"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message news:apony-42D543.20034304072008@news.qwest.net...
> "Ness-Net" <richard.nodamn@nessnet.spam.com> wrote:
>
>> And the HYPE begins..... (along with Oxy's rabid FANBOI crap).
>
> I only post news of interest to everyone, if you don't like it, leave
> the group.
>
See... look below Oxy, lots of other folks don't want to see this shit either.
That certainly does NOT make "everyone"...
And, BTW, not a single post supporting you...
Maybe take your OWN 'advice' and "leave"...? Please?
"Lonely men who have never had sex--not even with a Catholic priest."
"How do you explain this to your imaginary girlfriend?"
"When is your baby due?"
"June 27, six weeks."
"Wow....that's the last time he'll ever see female genitalia."
"Seriously...have you ever talked to a woman without having to give your
credit card number?"
"I have a spoiler....Here's a spoiler: you will die alone."
"So this is to help you breathe....and which of these buttons calls your
parents to pick you up?
"The groom has kissed the bride, after years of practicing on his
sister...And now the nerds are congregating for the ceremonial banging
of the plastic toys; this is what a nerd circle jerk looks like."
In article <486f83d2$0$7347$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Well, while it's hard to deny these days that Apple's products are perhaps
> "great", let us not forget that Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy perhaps
> 5 years ago. Macs weren't selling and few people were interested. I believe
> it was Microsoft who bailed them out (I'm open to correction on the
> specifics) because they would have been left as a "monopoly", a bad thing
> with government regulation. Then the iPod came along and Apple's fortunes
> changed, almost overnight.
apple was never close to bankruptcy, if you remember... on their darkest
day, they had $1.1 billion in cash and no long term debt. but yes, they
did go through a several year period of slowing sales some 12 years ago.
the iMac turned everything around, not the iPod. and no, Microsoft had
to pay Apple for software thefts in 1997, but it was a small amount,
something like $150 million.
> While I love gadgets, and really want to own an iPhone just because I'm a
> gadget nut, I still find them to be more hype than substance when it comes
> to business use. Apple is still up to its old tricks of limiting what the
> device is allowed to do. Its failure to sync completely, easily, and
> INEXPENSIVELY with Outlook on a PC, for example, is a major drawback for me.
> The fact that software "fixes" for a problem like that add significant
> additional cost to the device is arrogant to me, and, I think, is what did
> Apple in in the first place. And those "fixes" are not even complete fixes,
> which makes it even worse.
but all that changes July 11th, everyone can now build apps for the
iPhone, you can get started here:
> Explain to me why my Blackberry Curve (on Verizon) isn't a "better" device
> than the iPhone for practical use?
it has a tiny screen, poor keyboard, no multitouch, no UNIX OS, no
significant developer base.
> It's a great phone, plays all my mp3s
> and iTunes, has a good camera with a flash, and a video recorder, is more
> compact, does email very well (though not all attachments), syncs 100% with
> MS Outlook on a PC for FREE, has very usable, and fast internet access,
> albeit not with all that pinch and slide techno-gimmickry. Tell me, who's
> really going to sit on their iPhone and do internet access all day? No
> matter how cool the iPhone appears to do it, the device is still too small
> for the kind of comfort you get from a laptop or desktop for long-term
> browsing.
>
> I wonder if the iPhone is really going to take over and change the cell
> phone industry or whether it will crash and burn with time as most consumers
> will find they really don't want or need to do the stuff the iPhone offers?
> And that is not to diminish my admittedly own personal fascination with the
> device while it's relatively new. Time will tell.
The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is
centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead
starting July 11th. The iPhone apps alone will be just too compelling.
The iPhone is the next iPod, and there is no way to change that fact.
In article <486f83d2$0$7347$607ed4bc@cv.net>, Carl
<crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
> Well, while it's hard to deny these days that Apple's products are perhaps
> "great", let us not forget that Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy perhaps
> 5 years ago. Macs weren't selling and few people were interested.
nonense. apple has had continuous profitable quarterly earnings for
the last decade. prior to that they did have some unprofitable
quarters, but they had (and still have) a huge amount of cash in the
bank and were in no danger of bankrupcy.
> I believe
> it was Microsoft who bailed them out (I'm open to correction on the
> specifics) because they would have been left as a "monopoly", a bad thing
> with government regulation.
microsoft paid apple $150 million in exchange for non-voting stock ten
years ago for an out of court settlement regarding patent disputes and
other intellectual property. since apple's stock went up in value by
quite a bit, the 'punishment' turned out to be quite lucrative for
microsoft.
> Then the iPod came along and Apple's fortunes
> changed, almost overnight.
again wrong. the ipod was introduced in 2001 and it wasn't until 2003
with the introduction of the itunes music store when sales of the ipod
started to dramatically increase. in 2004, with the introduction of
the ipod mini and later, the 4th generation ipod, sales really started
to climb. that's hardly overnight.
> While I love gadgets, and really want to own an iPhone just because I'm a
> gadget nut, I still find them to be more hype than substance when it comes
> to business use. Apple is still up to its old tricks of limiting what the
> device is allowed to do.
how are they limiting anything? apple released an iphone software
development kit and anyone is free to write whatever apps they want.
there is a restriction for selling (not writing) certain types of apps
in the apple store, such as porn or hacking utilities, but that's to be
expected. those types of apps will have to find an alternate
distribution method.
> Its failure to sync completely, easily, and
> INEXPENSIVELY with Outlook on a PC, for example, is a major drawback for me.
actually, that should work.
> The fact that software "fixes" for a problem like that add significant
> additional cost to the device is arrogant to me,
what significant additional cost?
> and, I think, is what did
> Apple in in the first place. And those "fixes" are not even complete fixes,
> which makes it even worse.
what's incomplete about it?
> I am sorry that Apple is not, and never has been. more consumer-friendly.
and microsoft is?
> Explain to me why my Blackberry Curve (on Verizon) isn't a "better" device
> than the iPhone for practical use?
in some ways it's better and in other ways it isn't. pick the device
that best suits your needs.
> It's a great phone, plays all my mp3s
> and iTunes, has a good camera with a flash, and a video recorder, is more
> compact, does email very well (though not all attachments), syncs 100% with
> MS Outlook on a PC for FREE, has very usable, and fast internet access,
> albeit not with all that pinch and slide techno-gimmickry. Tell me, who's
> really going to sit on their iPhone and do internet access all day? No
> matter how cool the iPhone appears to do it, the device is still too small
> for the kind of comfort you get from a laptop or desktop for long-term
> browsing.
obviously. that's true for all pocket sized devices. on the other
hand, there's the comfort in not having to lug a laptop or a desktop
everywhere.
> I wonder if the iPhone is really going to take over and change the cell
> phone industry or whether it will crash and burn with time as most consumers
> will find they really don't want or need to do the stuff the iPhone offers?
> And that is not to diminish my admittedly own personal fascination with the
> device while it's relatively new. Time will tell.
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