Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote in news:apony-7C52E6.20492506122010@n003-
000-000-000.static.ge.com:
> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
> see why we are all involved with computing.
>
> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/video/63722844/
>
> oxford
>
no, there is nothing about Steve Ballmer, so you'll be more healthy once
you watch it. This just shows how Steve Jobs created the industry we all
live and work in... great stuff!
On 12/6/2010 10:52 PM, Fred wrote:
> Oxford<apony@pasture.com> wrote in news:apony-7C52E6.20492506122010@n003-
> 000-000-000.static.ge.com:
>
>> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
>> see why we are all involved with computing.
>>
>> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>>
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/video/63722844/
>>
>> oxford
>>
>
> I think I'm gonna be sick......
Yeah, me too. This cult of personality that surrounds Jobs is
nauseating, and overlooks guys like Jack Tramiel who made computing
*truly* affordable for the masses, and not just some "box designer"
w/an affinity for zen based ergonomics (at elitist prices) and gets
all the credit for the hard work of many an engineer that helped him
and Apple get where they are today (going back to the 'Woz' era).
Those are the folks who did/do the REAL 'heavy lifting' at Apple.
The ironic thing is Republicans often cite Jobs and Apple as a great
American success story. The truth is the way Apple has been run under
Jobs, and Apple products are more of the myopic vision of *one* man,
but designed by committee, Apple (to me) is more of an example of a
socialist state.
Hey, I generally don't get too involved in the Windows vs. Mac
flamewar as I do think Apple does deserve a lot of credit, but I
simply can't stand some of the Mac fanbois who practically deify Jobs.
But then, Steve Ballmer irks me to end at times too... I'm really
sick of the techno-priesthood and their cultic followers.
In article <Xns9E46EB29B553Fnobodyherenet@74.209.131.13>, nobody@here.net says...
> >> I think I'm gonna be sick......
> >
> > Why? Because Michael Dell and Steve Ballmar aren't as smart as Thomas
> > Edison?
> >
> >
>
> Jobs is the salesman. WOZ was the brains behind Apple.....
*ding* *ding*
Woz was the guy with the vision.
Woz was the nerd.
Woz was the guy I respect, much more so than Jobs.
--
Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
Apple Valley, CA sjsobol@JustThe.net
> Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote in news:apony-7C52E6.20492506122010@n003-
> 000-000-000.static.ge.com:
>
>> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
>> see why we are all involved with computing.
>>
>> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>>
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/video/63722844/
>>
>> oxford
>>
>
> I think I'm gonna be sick......
On Dec 6, 11:13*pm, Flint <age...@section31.org> wrote:
> On 12/6/2010 10:52 PM, Fred wrote:
>
> > Oxford<ap...@pasture.com> *wrote innews:apony-7C52E6.20492506122010@n003-
> > 000-000-000.static.ge.com:
>
> >> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
> >> see why we are all involved with computing.
>
> >> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>
> >>http://www.bloomberg.com/video/63722844/
>
> >> oxford
>
> > I think I'm gonna be sick......
>
> Yeah, me too. *This cult of personality that surrounds Jobs is
> nauseating, and overlooks guys like Jack Tramiel who made computing
> *truly* affordable for the masses, and not just some "box designer"
> w/an affinity for zen based ergonomics (at elitist prices) and gets
> all the credit for the hard work of many an engineer that helped him
> and Apple get where they are today (going back to the 'Woz' era).
> Those are the folks who did/do the REAL 'heavy lifting' at Apple.
>
> The ironic thing is Republicans often cite Jobs and Apple as a great
> American success story. *The truth is the way Apple has been run under
> Jobs, and Apple products are more of the myopic vision of *one* man,
> but designed by committee, Apple (to me) is more of an example of a
> socialist state.
>
> Hey, I generally don't get too involved in the Windows vs. Mac
> flamewar as I do think Apple does deserve a lot of credit, but I
> simply can't stand some of the Mac fanbois who practically deify Jobs.
>
> But then, Steve Ballmer irks me to end at times too... *I'm really
> sick of the techno-priesthood and their cultic followers.
>
> --
> -MFB
> Yeah, me too. This cult of personality that surrounds Jobs is
> nauseating, and overlooks guys like Jack Tramiel who made computing
> *truly* affordable for the masses
but Tramiel never did anything important, he was a bottom feeder looking
to make a quick buck on the uneducated. At least Steve pushed society
forward at a fair price.
plus Tramiel bought & killed Atari, so he is no friend of techies.
> Jobs is the salesman. WOZ was the brains behind Apple.....
actually, Jobs is the visionary behind everything we use today in
computing, Woz was BRILLIANT in the 70's, he was behind the success of
the 6502, and first inexpensive floppy drive, but he didn't grow much
beyond that.
most everything you do and use today was because of Jobs.
> Fred <nobody@here.net> wrote:
>
>> Jobs is the salesman. WOZ was the brains behind Apple.....
>
> actually, Jobs is the visionary behind everything we use today in
> computing, Woz was BRILLIANT in the 70's, he was behind the success of
> the 6502, and first inexpensive floppy drive, but he didn't grow much
> beyond that.
>
> most everything you do and use today was because of Jobs.
Jobs has been influential in:
* WIMP computing
* Touch computing
* The music industry's move to downloadable media
* Fully digitally animated films
and more. There are few who compare to his influence. No doubt.
Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in
news:MPG.2767554bc8da5605989683@news.justthe.net:
> In article <Xns9E46EB29B553Fnobodyherenet@74.209.131.13>,
> nobody@here.net says...
>
>> >> I think I'm gonna be sick......
>> >
>> > Why? Because Michael Dell and Steve Ballmar aren't as smart as
Thomas
>> > Edison?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Jobs is the salesman. WOZ was the brains behind Apple.....
>
> *ding* *ding*
>
> Woz was the guy with the vision.
>
> Woz was the nerd.
>
> Woz was the guy I respect, much more so than Jobs.
>
There is a fantastic tour of a new computer museum, on YouTube I think,
and Woz, himself, guides you on a tour of his favorite subject. It's too
early in the morning to go searching for it, myself. Great stuff.
If you look in the 1980 Ohio Scientific microcomputer catalog on the net,
the dealer list in the back, you'll find Seely Communications, Sumter,
SC. That was US! We had a 74MB 14" hard drive stolen from the
minicomputer world and a 3-processor monsterbox of 6502 that ran OS-65/U
and it's heavily extended BASIC interpreter, a Z80 for CP/M and a
Motorola 6800. You could switch processors to run whatever you liked.
IBM PC put a halt to that, almost overnight, from the big elephant in the
room.
For the iPhoners, I think I still have a copy of DoubleDOS around here
that made MS-DOS multitasking, that newfangled feature from Apple in
2010.
On 12/7/2010 12:53 AM, Oxford wrote:
> Flint<agent1@section31.org> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, me too. This cult of personality that surrounds Jobs is
>> nauseating, and overlooks guys like Jack Tramiel who made computing
>> *truly* affordable for the masses
>
> but Tramiel never did anything important, he was a bottom feeder looking
> to make a quick buck on the uneducated.
Gee, he only introduced the PET computer, Vic 20, and ultimately the
C=64,and got them to a reasonable price affordable by most people.
> At least Steve pushed society
> forward at a fair price.
If by 'fair price', you mean society was just ready to plonk $5K down
for early Macs when the Amiga (also a Motorola 68K) was a far more
elegant system, with a superior OS that was fully preemptive,
multithreaded, multitasking, having a high degree of POSIX compliance,
and could be had at 1/3rd the price, I guess so then....
>
> plus Tramiel bought& killed Atari, so he is no friend of techies.
You got the cart before the horse. Tramiel trounced Atari, then
*bought* it from Warner, and rebuilt the company back up and saved it.
On 12/6/2010 10:49 PM, Oxford wrote:
> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
> see why we are all involved with computing.
>
> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/video/63722844/
>
> oxford
> In article <Xns9E46EB29B553Fnobodyherenet@74.209.131.13>,
> nobody@here.net says...
>
>> >> I think I'm gonna be sick......
>> >
>> > Why? Because Michael Dell and Steve Ballmar aren't as smart as Thomas
>> > Edison?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Jobs is the salesman. WOZ was the brains behind Apple.....
>
> *ding* *ding*
>
> Woz was the guy with the vision.
>
> Woz was the nerd.
>
> Woz was the guy I respect, much more so than Jobs.
Jobs was no idiot. There's no point in being nerdy and smelly if someone
cant see the potential and guide into making something less nerdy and
smelly. The Apple showed real innovation. And Jobs provided that. Woz
listened and allowed himself to be guided. It's called a team. And the
fact Jobs managed to manage that says a lot about his character and
ability.
There are a millions guys who can construct an awk regexp thats 10 lines
long. There are few who not only understand what it does but can also
simplify it and put a one button front end on it so everyone can use it.
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:13:55 -0500, Flint <agent1@section31.org>
wrote:
>The ironic thing is Republicans often cite Jobs and Apple as a great
>American success story. The truth is the way Apple has been run under
>Jobs, and Apple products are more of the myopic vision of *one* man,
>but designed by committee, Apple (to me) is more of an example of a
>socialist state.
If they accept that Jobs is responsible for Apple's success, then they
should look to the argument that people such as Scully were way
overpaid. And our corporations are mainly run by people like
Scully.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
>nobody@here.net says...
>>
>> Jobs is the salesman. WOZ was the brains behind Apple.....
>
>*ding* *ding*
>
>Woz was the guy with the vision.
Oh really? Do you know how many very smart technical people there are
in the world? How many of them attain Wozniak's level of financial
success? You think maybe Jobs had something to do with that?
>The ironic thing is Republicans often cite Jobs and Apple as a great
>American success story. The truth is the way Apple has been run under
>Jobs, and Apple products are more of the myopic vision of *one* man,
>but designed by committee, Apple (to me) is more of an example of a
>socialist state.
On 12/6/10 9:52 PM, in article Xns9E46E8DA29291nobodyherenet@74.209.131.13,
"Fred" <nobody@here.net> wrote:
> Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote in news:apony-7C52E6.20492506122010@n003-
> 000-000-000.static.ge.com:
>
>> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
>> see why we are all involved with computing.
>>
>> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>>
>> http://www.bloomberg.com/video/63722844/
>>
>> oxford
>>
>
> I think I'm gonna be sick......
On 12/6/10 10:06 PM, in article Xns9E46EB29B553Fnobodyherenet@74.209.131.13,
"Fred" <nobody@here.net> wrote:
> "gimme_this_gimme_that@yahoo.com" <gimme_this_gimme_that@yahoo.com> wrote
> in news:9dea27d2-2228-405f-bc5c-8c8055c79259@29g2000prb.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>>> I think I'm gonna be sick......
>>
>> Why? Because Michael Dell and Steve Ballmar aren't as smart as Thomas
>> Edison?
>>
>>
>
> Jobs is the salesman. WOZ was the brains behind Apple.....
> In article <idkca9$24g$1@news.eternal-september.org>, agent1
> @section31.org says...
>
>
>> But then, Steve Ballmer irks me to end at times too... I'm really
>> sick of the techno-priesthood and their cultic followers.
>
> Ballmer is Jobs to Bill Gates's Woz. Although, technically, Gates wasn't
> a techie either.
>
> Bill Gates, like Woz, was the guy with enough vision and talent to put
> his company into the history books.
>
> Ballmer impresses me about as much as Jobs does, which is to say, not
> much at all.
>
> The ironic thing is Republicans often cite Jobs and Apple as a great
> American success story. The truth is the way Apple has been run under
> Jobs, and Apple products are more of the myopic vision of *one* man, but
> designed by committee, Apple (to me) is more of an example of a
> socialist state.
Many companies have been built around the vision of one or two
individuals, and they aren't run like a democracy.
It _was_ Jobs that early on realized that there was a market for
computers for non-hobbyists that didn't want to solder together their
own motherboard but simply wanted to buy a pre-made system. It was Jobs
that realized that a GUI on a PC would be something that the masses
would want. It was Jobs that realized that to make flash based music
players successful that there had to be an easy way to distribute music,
legally, and he browbeat the record labels into allowing individual
tracks to be sold at a relatively low price, and he also realized that
compressing the music and the resultant loss of quality was not
something most listeners would care about or even notice (especially
when playing the music through earbuds!).
Jobs looked at the legacy of tablet failures (including Apple's Newton)
and realized that a successful tablet was not going to be able to run a
PC operating system and associated applications and still be acceptable
in terms of size, weight, and battery life.
High level design, marketing and selling a product is more difficult
these days than the actual low level design and manufacturing which can
all be easily contracted out.
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:08:51 -0700, Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote:
>Fred <nobody@here.net> wrote:
>
>> I think I'm gonna be sick......
>
>no, there is nothing about Steve Ballmer, so you'll be more healthy once
>you watch it. This just shows how Steve Jobs created the industry we all
>live and work in... great stuff!
Total ********. Jobs has ridden on the back of other people's ideas
ever since he stole the GUI/Window concept from Xerox. Edison actually
invented something new. Actually, he invented several things out of
thin air. He personally held over 1,500 patents.
But the real brains behind the modern electric grid was Tesla, not
Edison. The only reason that Edison is remembered, and Tesla is not,
is that the latter was eccentric to a fault. Edison, like Jobs, was a
salesman.
On 2010-12-07, Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote:
> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
> see why we are all involved with computing.
>
> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
You mean he lies, cheats, and steals. He breaks promises to his most
promising young engineers and then mounts a FUD campaign against them that
includes electrocuting puppies?
[deletia]
I had saved that distinction for Bill Gates but we can pass that mantle
onto Stevie boy if you really insist.
--
Metallica is not worth the ruination of someone |||
who has pirated their music / | \
> On 2010-12-07, Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote:
>> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
>> see why we are all involved with computing.
>>
>> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>
> You mean he lies, cheats, and steals. He breaks promises to his most
> promising young engineers and then mounts a FUD campaign against them that
> includes electrocuting puppies?
>
> [deletia]
>
> I had saved that distinction for Bill Gates but we can pass that mantle
> onto Stevie boy if you really insist.
Nurse Ratchet! More meds to the secure wing please for Crazy Jed ....
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 20:17:48 -0800, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:
>> Jobs is the salesman. WOZ was the brains behind Apple.....
>
>*ding* *ding*
>
>Woz was the guy with the vision.
>
>Woz was the nerd.
>
>Woz was the guy I respect, much more so than Jobs.
Woz was the guy who became a success and then was able to retire and
have loads of fun afterwards. Not very many people who do that.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:13:55 -0500, Flint <agent1@section31.org>
wrote:
>The ironic thing is Republicans often cite Jobs and Apple as a great
>American success story. The truth is the way Apple has been run under
>Jobs, and Apple products are more of the myopic vision of *one* man,
>but designed by committee, Apple (to me) is more of an example of a
>socialist state.
But for every Jobs how many Scullys are there getting Republican love?
(And buying Democratic love as well)
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent! 
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