Apple continues to crush the old Windows & Linux machines with perfectly
crafted products. The new 11 & 13 inch MacBook Airs will wipe out the
rest of the Windows and Linux netbook market.
A wonderful show!
If you don't like to see advanced software, jump ahead to about 70
minutes in, otherwise just watch the whole thing... it really provides a
glimpse into the future.
Agreed. Anyone who wants to spend $1000 on a netbook instead of $250 would
be silly not to take a look at the Air.
Or, they could buy a $250 netbook and Hackintosh it if they really require a
10" computer with less software support than a Windows PC.
Why don't you keep your Mac advocacy crap out of the cellphone NG's, Oxy...
"Oxford" <apony@pasture.com> wrote in message
news:apony-FCD939.14264024102010@news.qwest.net...
> Apple continues to crush the old Windows & Linux machines with perfectly
> crafted products. The new 11 & 13 inch MacBook Airs will wipe out the
> rest of the Windows and Linux netbook market.
>
> A wonderful show!
>
> If you don't like to see advanced software, jump ahead to about 70
> minutes in, otherwise just watch the whole thing... it really provides a
> glimpse into the future.
>
> http://www.apple.com/apple-events/october-2010/
>
> Short Version:
>
> http://www.apple.com/macbookair/#macbook-air-video
>
> Specs Here:
>
> http://www.apple.com/macbookair/specs.html
>
> The new toys are here, amazing!
>
> http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...ly/macbook_air
>
> oxford
On 10/24/2010 1:31 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Oct 24, 2:26 pm, Oxford<ap...@pasture.com> wrote:
>> Apple continues to crush the old Windows& Linux machines with perfectly
>> crafted products.
>
>
> And, from what I've read, products that use proprietary iterations
> (broaching the question: Is the Mac really just a PC clone now?).
No, the PC clones don't run OS-X. That's what Apple's value proposition
is, though with Windows 7 it's less of a selling point than when it was
competing against Vista or XP.
In terms of internal components, Apple is somewhat of a PC Clone, but
for better or worse Apple doesn't push the limit in terms of the latest
processors or graphics. The MacBook air is a difficult design because of
the the thermal requirements, yet there are comparably sized laptops
already using later processors.
Acer came out with a 3.1 pound Core i7 (also available in core i5 and
core i7) design with an 11.6" screen, comparable battery life to the
Macbook Air, a real (non-chiclet) keyboard, a real Ethernet port, and a
500GB hard drive (versus 64GB or 128GB of flash), an HDMI port, and a
VGA port.
The thing is that the Acer machine can easily be your primary computer
as it's fast enough, had a good keyboard, and has sufficient
connectivity, including an Ethernet port and HDMI. The MacBook Air, as
nice as it is, is a machine to be used primarily for travel when you're
away from your faster primary computer that has more storage and
connectivity. Is the 0.8 pound difference between the MacBook Air and
the Acer Timeline X worth giving up the speed, expandability, and real
keyboard? Plus all the dongles you need just to get stuff like HDMI and
VGA on the Air? Maybe the new Lion version of OS-X is going to make it
all worthwhile, but for now Windows 7 trumps OS-X in functionality.
On 10/24/2010 2:18 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<apony-FCD939.14264024102010@news.qwest.net>,
> Oxford<apony@pasture.com> wrote:
>
>> Apple continues to crush the old Windows& Linux machines with perfectly
>> crafted products.
>
> Yes--6 years after Sony did it:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20020535-64.html
But not at a price like Apple is offering.
In reality, the Acer Timeline X 11.6" machine is the real competition
for the MacBook Air 11.6". A bit heavier, but it has a much better
keyboard, a high capacity hard drive, a much faster processor, plus
HDMI, VGA and Ethernet ports.
> On 10/24/2010 2:18 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article<apony-FCD939.14264024102010@news.qwest.net>,
>> Oxford<apony@pasture.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Apple continues to crush the old Windows& Linux machines with
>>> perfectly crafted products.
>>
>> Yes--6 years after Sony did it:
>>
>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20020535-64.html
>
> But not at a price like Apple is offering.
>
> In reality, the Acer Timeline X 11.6" machine is the real competition
> for the MacBook Air 11.6". A bit heavier, but it has a much better
> keyboard, a high capacity hard drive, a much faster processor, plus
> HDMI, VGA and Ethernet ports.
Why has this debate been cross-posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy? Just
curious.
--
RonB
Registered Linux User #498581
CentOS 5.5 or VectorLinux Deluxe 6.0
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
> In article <apony-FCD939.14264024102010@news.qwest.net>,
> Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote:
>
> > Apple continues to crush the old Windows & Linux machines with perfectly
> > crafted products.
>
> Yes--6 years after Sony did it:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20020535-64.html
No, Sony hasn't caught up to the MacBook Airs yet, even back in 2007
they were still in the "walkman" stage when it comes to ultralight
laptops don't forget.
> Before 2010 MacBook Air, there was 2004 Sony
>
> Though a moot point now for consumers, in 2004 Sony came out with a
> razor-thin wedge-shaped laptop that was a progenitor of the MacBook Air,
> particularly Apple's 2010 incarnation...
But it wasn't near as powerful, feature rich or cost effective. Plus it
still ran Windows, so nobody bought it.
> Why don't you keep your Mac advocacy crap out of the cellphone NG's, Oxy...
not sure what you mean? apple now controls all phones, tvs, music,
computers, video, so it's important to keep everyone informed at the
same time... why are you against that?
you'll move up to all apple products in the next 4 years, so don't worry!
In article
<apony-C7AD2E.15524424102010@dialup-4.167.115.65.dial1.houston1.level3.n
et>, Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote:
> > Why don't you keep your Mac advocacy crap out of the cellphone NG's, Oxy...
>
> not sure what you mean? apple now controls all phones, tvs, music,
> computers, video,
uh, no they don't.
> so it's important to keep everyone informed at the
> same time... why are you against that?
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:25:51 -0700, SMS wrote:
>
>> On 10/24/2010 2:18 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> In article<apony-FCD939.14264024102010@news.qwest.net>,
>>> Oxford<apony@pasture.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apple continues to crush the old Windows& Linux machines with
>>>> perfectly crafted products.
>>>
>>> Yes--6 years after Sony did it:
>>>
>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20020535-64.html
>>
>> But not at a price like Apple is offering.
>>
>> In reality, the Acer Timeline X 11.6" machine is the real competition
>> for the MacBook Air 11.6". A bit heavier, but it has a much better
>> keyboard, a high capacity hard drive, a much faster processor, plus
>> HDMI, VGA and Ethernet ports.
>
> Why has this debate been cross-posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy? Just
> curious.
>
Because OxRetard, one of the dumbest posters ever, decided that people
absolutely had to see how incredibly stupid a typical Mac user is
He succeeded, quite nicely.
--
Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the
bodies of those I had to kill because they pissed me off.
> > not sure what you mean? apple now controls all phones, tvs, music,
> > computers, video,
>
> uh, no they don't.
what? they don't? They obviously control the direction of all cell
phones, they announced the AppleTV just a month ago and now have sold
over 400,000 units, so they control the direction of Television. For
Music, they control over 72%, with OSX they are the leader in OSes and
software development of all platforms, so again they control what
everyone does. Now Movies, TVs and Video is primarily done through Apple
iOS devices, so you seem uniformed... learn to use facts like I do, it
will help as you discover the larger world.
Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
> Because Oxford, one of the top posters ever, decided that people
> absolutely hate to see how incredibly smart a typical Mac user is
poor Peter... still hasn't mastered how to do a usenet follow up, he
always has errors.
everyone on usenet calls him the "dumb bitter german". once he touches
the 11 inch macbook air his mood will change... it makes german
engineering look like drunk babies using legos.
Steve Carroll wrote:
> Oxford wrote:
>> Apple continues to crush the old Windows & Linux machines with perfectly
>> crafted products.
>
> And, from what I've read, products that use proprietary iterations
> (broaching the question: Is the Mac really just a PC clone now?).
*All* recent macs are PCs, making the Mac vs PC debates hilarious and/or
ridiculous depending on the mood at the time.
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> not sure what you mean? apple now controls all phones, tvs, music,
>>> computers, video,
>>
>> uh, no they don't.
>
> what? they don't? They obviously control the direction of all cell
> phones, they announced the AppleTV just a month ago and now have sold
> over 400,000 units, so they control the direction of Television. For
> Music, they control over 72%, with OSX they are the leader in OSes and
> software development of all platforms, so again they control what
> everyone does. Now Movies, TVs and Video is primarily done through Apple
> iOS devices, so you seem uniformed... learn to use facts like I do, it
> will help as you discover the larger world.
Ox-turd, you are one of the primary reasons people hate Apple products
because of your arrogance. Do you not realize that what you do make people
dislike you? And that carries on to Apple.
On 10/24/2010 2:18 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<apony-FCD939.14264024102010@news.qwest.net>,
> Oxford<apony@pasture.com> wrote:
>
>> Apple continues to crush the old Windows& Linux machines with perfectly
>> crafted products.
>
> Yes--6 years after Sony did it:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20020535-64.html
>
> Before 2010 MacBook Air, there was 2004 Sony
>
> Though a moot point now for consumers, in 2004 Sony came out with a
> razor-thin wedge-shaped laptop that was a progenitor of the MacBook Air,
> particularly Apple's 2010 incarnation...
>
> But Sony's offering may be one of the best examples of a laptop that
> pretty much matches Apple's design--except Sony did it six years ago.
> The nickel carbon body Vaio X505--no longer available--had some very
> impressive specs for its time. (See 2004 review.)
In many product categories, Apple is a fast-follower, but their products
succeed where the products of the companies that came out with the first
products in the category failed. Apple is extremely good at
understanding the key deficiencies that explain why similar products
fail, and correcting those when they enter a market.
The new Macbook Air is a response to the explosive success of the
netbook, but it's a far better product than most netbooks. Unfortunately
for Apple. there are a bunch of thin and light higher performance,
higher functionality, 3 pound, 11.6" notebooks being introduced at the
same time as the 11.6" MacBook Air, at comparable prices. So the MacBook
Air may continue to be a very niche product, attractive to hard core
Apple fans but not to those looking for a thin and light with a full
complement of I/O ports and more storage.
Tablets have been around for years, but other than some vertical
applications, they failed in the consumer segment because they were too
heavy, too expensive, and had mediocre battery life because the
manufacturers were designing them to run Windows applications. Apple
decided that defining a limited set of applications that could run on a
lower performance processor would be an acceptable compromise in return
for lighter weight, lower price, and much longer battery life. They were
right. The iPad is an amazingly cool product, and the next generation
will take care of the few issues with it such as the lack of a camera.
> > And, from what I've read, products that use proprietary iterations
> > (broaching the question: Is the Mac really just a PC clone now?).
>
> *All* recent macs are PCs, making the Mac vs PC debates hilarious and/or
> ridiculous depending on the mood at the time.
But you are overlooking the fact Macs are built far better than any PC
on the market. They also have much better software availability and
value over time.
The Windows PC market has pretty much died out in the USA, everyone
wants a Mac or nothing. This was all predicted 20 years ago and the fact
Apple is the 2nd most valuable company on the planet shows customers
have spoken.
> Oxtard, you are one of the primary reasons people hate Apple products
> because of your arrogance. Do you not realize that what you do make people
> dislike you? And that carries on to Apple.
What? I've been one of the most helpful people on usenet over the last
20 years. Arrogance? What is wrong with having the very best in life?
Nobody dislikes me except a dumb German named Peter. I ruined his
career, I helped end Linux worldwide, so why are you mad at me?
In article
<apony-8498D4.18230524102010@dialup-4.167.115.65.dial1.houston1.level3.n
et>, Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote:
> > Oxtard, you are one of the primary reasons people hate Apple products
> > because of your arrogance. Do you not realize that what you do make people
> > dislike you? And that carries on to Apple.
>
> What? I've been one of the most helpful people on usenet over the last
> 20 years. Arrogance? What is wrong with having the very best in life?
>
> Nobody dislikes me except a dumb German named Peter. I ruined his
> career, I helped end Linux worldwide, so why are you mad at me?
In article
<apony-EB6048.16073524102010@dialup-4.167.115.65.dial1.houston1.level3.n
et>,
Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > not sure what you mean? apple now controls all phones, tvs, music,
> > > computers, video,
> >
> > uh, no they don't.
>
> what? they don't? They obviously control the direction of all cell
> phones, they announced the AppleTV just a month ago and now have sold
> over 400,000 units, so they control the direction of Television. For
> Music, they control over 72%, with OSX they are the leader in OSes and
> software development of all platforms, so again they control what
> everyone does. Now Movies, TVs and Video is primarily done through Apple
> iOS devices, so you seem uniformed... learn to use facts like I do, it
> will help as you discover the larger world.
I am as unimpressed by mindless cheerleading as I am by mindless
trolling...
--
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"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)
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On 10/24/2010 8:27 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article
> <apony-8498D4.18230524102010@dialup-4.167.115.65.dial1.houston1.level3.n
> et>, Oxford<apony@pasture.com> wrote:
>
>>> Oxtard, you are one of the primary reasons people hate Apple products
>>> because of your arrogance. Do you not realize that what you do make people
>>> dislike you? And that carries on to Apple.
>>
>> What? I've been one of the most helpful people on usenet over the last
>> 20 years. Arrogance? What is wrong with having the very best in life?
>>
>> Nobody dislikes me except a dumb German named Peter. I ruined his
>> career, I helped end Linux worldwide, so why are you mad at me?
>
> lighten up on the drugs.
On 10/24/2010 5:30 PM, RonB wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:25:51 -0700, SMS wrote:
>
>> On 10/24/2010 2:18 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> In article<apony-FCD939.14264024102010@news.qwest.net>,
>>> Oxford<apony@pasture.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apple continues to crush the old Windows& Linux machines with
>>>> perfectly crafted products.
>>>
>>> Yes--6 years after Sony did it:
>>>
>>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20020535-64.html
>>
>> But not at a price like Apple is offering.
>>
>> In reality, the Acer Timeline X 11.6" machine is the real competition
>> for the MacBook Air 11.6". A bit heavier, but it has a much better
>> keyboard, a high capacity hard drive, a much faster processor, plus
>> HDMI, VGA and Ethernet ports.
>
> Why has this debate been cross-posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy? Just
> curious.
>
Why are we getting this drivel on alt.cellular.verizon?
It's off topic and of little interest to anyone but McIntosh users!
On 10/24/2010 5:28 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<4cc4cb68$0$1614$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> SMS<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>> But Sony's offering may be one of the best examples of a laptop that
>>> pretty much matches Apple's design--except Sony did it six years ago.
>>> The nickel carbon body Vaio X505--no longer available--had some very
>>> impressive specs for its time. (See 2004 review.)
>>
>> In many product categories, Apple is a fast-follower, but their products
>> succeed where the products of the companies that came out with the first
>> products in the category failed. Apple is extremely good at
>> understanding the key deficiencies that explain why similar products
>> fail, and correcting those when they enter a market.
>
> except the original MacBook Air was a failure in the marketplace similar
> to how Sony's unit failed in the marketplace.
Yes, the Macbook Air was not a big seller and the follow-up is also
likely to be a very niche product. Even among Apple aficionados, the
regular Macbook is a much more appealing product. For those looking for
a thin and light that are not tied to Apple there are much more
appealing products in the Windows space. I expect that Apple may come
out with a product between the Macbook Air and the smallest Macbook in
order to compete in that market.
They need to revamp their Macbook line in order to catch up, hardware
wise, with the higher end laptops from Dell, HP, Sony, Acer, etc. No
high end laptop buyer is going to put up with the lack of an integrated
HDMI port.
> No
> high end laptop buyer is going to put up with the lack of an integrated
> HDMI port.
You really don't need HDMI with 802.11n, iTunes 10 allows you to simply
share your videos right into your TV, so the days of HDMI cables are
coming to an end.
> > What? I've been one of the most helpful people on usenet over the last
> > 20 years. Arrogance? What is wrong with having the very best in life?
> >
> > Nobody dislikes me except a dumb German named Peter. I ruined his
> > career, I helped end Linux worldwide, so why are you mad at me?
>
> lighten up on the drugs.
the truth hurts sometimes, so learn to accept what i said...
In article
<apony-D4D0B4.20535324102010@dialup-4.167.115.65.dial1.houston1.level3.n
et>, Oxford <apony@pasture.com> wrote:
> > > they announced the AppleTV just a month ago and now have sold
> > > over 400,000 units,
> >
> > 250k
>
> but that was last tuesday before they were even available in the stores,
the've been available in stores for a while, you idiot.
> now it's jumped up to 400,000 units sold, so learn to check facts next
> time.
it jumped from 250k last tuesday to 400k five days later? you really
are an idiot.
> apple will sell around 3.2 million units before christmas thus cementing
> their control of the television.
like i said, lighten up on the drugs.
> you can learn how they work here, they are $99... so that's why everyone
> that is involved in computing is buying them.
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